[Sedz]

I hate you Pope, and you yang, and you nadir.

All of you will be taken to my rape dungeon for suitable punishment upon next meeting.

[iM yang]

isn't that where we play starcraft

[TASlowHands]

d00d is a serial cheeser, literally every game if you check his build orders, just metagame him and get free wins

[AsGNabi]

Yang
you did really well last night. i would never have the guts to play in front of a crowd. :/

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

Yang
you did really well last night. i would never have the guts to play in front of a crowd. :/

thanks roze it helps that i'm basically just playing in front of a bunch of friends

[AsGNabi]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.yang

thanks roze it helps that i'm basically just playing in front of a bunch of friends

thats the best way to think about it!

[EveMassacrisM]

It's kinda retarded how you ask a specific someone for coaching and then call him a ' shit ' coach afterwards. It just does nothing but make you sound like a silly brainless little ****.

[SeLpHy]

AsGK?
I met him on the Ladder and I 2-Raxed him. Because he didn't GG I Private messaged him a "gg wp"
He got really angry and really BM'd me. Well maybe he has a bad day I thought but the other day I played him again he was still really bad mannering me :/
Well, AsG is a nice clan indeed. Good and wise choice of kicking out K.

[cRSenSei]

Hahahahaha this guy.. I played him on ladder maybe 3-4 times and each time he would just BM the shit out of me and I would laugh cause he was pretty terrible, so this makes my day to know he's like it to everyone.

[Z4N00KU]

Originally Posted by FaDeBjornbrandr

Alright, because I'm such a badass investigator, I noticed something on Rogue's stream tonight. She joined a call with a teammate and I saw a Kamyah and a Matt that looked surprisingly like Zanooku.
http://www.twitch.tv/femfxrogue
Go through the vods, I started watching about 7:30pm my time which is approximately 25 minutes before this post.
Anyway, throughout the skype conversation in the background you can hear Kamyah (who I believe is AsGK) shit-talking Jazbas and calling him general racist comments. Furthermore, I -think- (couldn't tell because I don't know the voices) that Zanooku was joining in on attacking Jazbas. He's the one whining about the Zerg player killing his with Mutas and saying that he has to 'let him know that he's a bad player'.

May be interesting for you guys to know.

Edit: They're also attacking yang in there, too. So that and the potential attacks on Jazbas certainly highlight how bullshit Zanooku's 'friendly return' was.
Also, just to clarify, Rogue is invited into this conversation by a team-mate and isn't actually affiliated with the dudes talking in the background; they're in there because of another person in the conversation. One could likely go to Zanooku's stream and find the VOD for it (I believe he was streaming at the time) and hear the same skype conversation.

There's 1 trait I hate more than others, and that is lying, and for that, f*ck you.

Ok firstly, yes I was in the skype call with Rogue who was streaming.

Secondly, yes Kayhan was talking trash (he was angry, of course he's going to flame and let out frustration), and no, I didn't "join in on attacking JazBas". He's a friend of mine whom I respect and hold to a high esteem (which obviously, I don't respect many people so you making up lies is bullsh1t).

Yes, I was losing to Mutalisks (much like every other single Protoss), and yes I was frustrated, but no, I didn't flame the person abusing them.

Yes, I was smack talking yang.. AMONG THE PRIVACY OF MY OWN SKYPE CALL, much like MANY OTHER PEOPLE who talk about others in their own Skype calls. Not only that, but he wasn't even watching Rogue's stream at the time.
Just because I'm "turning over a new leaf", it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy myself in a private Skype call.

Originally Posted by SeLpHy

AsGK?
I met him on the Ladder and I 2-Raxed him. Because he didn't GG I Private messaged him a "gg wp"
He got really angry and really BM'd me. Well maybe he has a bad day I thought but the other day I played him again he was still really bad mannering me :/
Well, AsG is a nice clan indeed. Good and wise choice of kicking out K.

You messaging him that after the game was rude. It's entirely understandable to flame someone after they're rude enough to message you after a game. You were also in the wrong, don't pay out on someone if you're going to do the same thing beforehand.


Yeah so what if kayhan did what he did?
It's a simple business transaction. You pay for something before you receive the "goods", not the other way around. If you cannot comprehend how a transaction works, consider other work, and not coaching.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Z4N00KU

Yeah so what if kayhan did what he did?
It's a simple business transaction. You pay for something before you receive the "goods", not the other way around. If you cannot comprehend how a transaction works, consider other work, and not coaching.

Originally Posted by Z4N00KU

Yeah so what if kayhan did what he did?

Originally Posted by Z4N00KU

so what

So a thread is made that will tarnish his reputation.

Worked for AZK, didnt it?

The sc2 community isnt too acceptive of people acting like two year olds. I'm sure you of all people would know that. Im pretty sure you're defending him not because of any honest opinions on what happened, but because of bias as a friend of his. Although most of your points in that post are right, you cant turn around and say everything he did was ok because it wasn't his mistake.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Z4N00KU

Yes, I was smack talking yang.. AMONG THE PRIVACY OF MY OWN SKYPE CALL, much like MANY OTHER PEOPLE who talk about others in their own Skype calls. Not only that, but he wasn't even watching Rogue's stream at the time.
Just because I'm "turning over a new leaf", it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy myself in a private Skype call.

Sort of understandable. I will also speak my mind about people who may have rubbed me the wrong way when I'm just chatting on teamspeak with clanmates, or similar. Speaking my mind about them usually doesn't involve being terribly abusive though. Just saying you don't like someone for whatever reason still doesn't justify racial abuse or anything else (I haven't listened to the VOD, but you've been accused of this a lot of times in the past). Expecting that people won't hear the abuse doesn't make it fine.

Yeah so what if kayhan did what he did?
It's a simple business transaction. You pay for something before you receive the "goods", not the other way around. If you cannot comprehend how a transaction works, consider other work, and not coaching.

Consider that up until kayhan, none of the numerous coaches in this community had similar problems. They felt no real fear about working on a somewhat trust system. So it turns out this Kayhan is the ONE single person in the community who is enough of a dickhead that he wants to go and abuse that system. Don't try and lay this on the coaches. In the future, you are right, they will be wanting to see the money upfront if it's a student they haven't worked with before, it's just pretty sad that it had to happen this way, and it doesn't make what kayhan did any less wrong.

Keep in mind that a lot of service jobs work this way too. When you go to a mechanic, they fix your car, then give you a receipt stating how much it cost based on the work done. I hope you don't think it's okay to just run off and try not paying people like that in real life too?

[Z4N00KU]

Originally Posted by SatuSPR

So we make a thread that will tarnish his reputation.

Worked for AZK, didnt it?

The sc2 community isnt too acceptive of people acting like two year olds. I'm sure you of all people would know that. Im pretty sure you're defending him not because of any honest opinions on what happened, but because of bias as a friend of his. Although most of your points in that post are right, you cant turn around and say everything he did was ok because it wasn't his mistake.

You're taking what I said out of context.

I am friends with him, and if you read the entire post I made, I specified that he was smack talking.
I'm not going to piss him off even more when he's letting out frustration over what happened, that's just simply wrong.

What I meant by what you quoted is that even though kayhan did what he did, it was silly to expect payment after you've done the service.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Z4N00KU

Yeah so what if kayhan did what he did?
It's a simple business transaction. You pay for something before you receive the "goods", not the other way around. If you cannot comprehend how a transaction works, consider other work, and not coaching.

No, in a lot of cases, you pay AFTER receiving good or services. For example you pay a plumber after he repaired the links. It's also generally the case in B to B.

That sort of aggressivity to respected members of the community (a TGM coach for example) is not appreciated and that's the sort of things you have to get rid of before coming back.

[Z4N00KU]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Sort of understandable. I will also speak my mind about people who may have rubbed me the wrong way when I'm just chatting on teamspeak with clanmates, or similar. Speaking my mind about them usually doesn't involve being terribly abusive though. Just saying you don't like someone for whatever reason still doesn't justify racial abuse or anything else (I haven't listened to the VOD, but you've been accused of this a lot of times in the past). Expecting that people won't hear the abuse doesn't make it fine.


Consider that up until kayhan, none of the numerous coaches in this community had similar problems. They felt no real fear about working on a somewhat trust system. So it turns out this Kayhan is the ONE single person in the community who is enough of a dickhead that he wants to go and abuse that system. Don't try and lay this on the coaches. In the future, you are right, they will be wanting to see the money upfront if it's a student they haven't worked with before, it's just pretty sad that it had to happen this way, and it doesn't make what kayhan did any less wrong.

Keep in mind that a lot of service jobs work this way too. When you go to a mechanic, they fix your car, then give you a receipt stating how much it cost based on the work done. I hope you don't think it's okay to just run off and try not paying people like that in real life too?

yang is also a white, Australian male, I really don't see any racial issues there.
JazBas is a friend, I wasn't abusing him, I respect him greatly.

Yes kayhan didn't "pay up", and yes mechanics do the work first, however, there's many ways of tracking what certain people have done and the law can decide what happens.
This is a simply online transaction where tracing is harder, and enforcing punishment is a lot different.

[|Erasmus|]

But if you're not saying it's okay for him to do what he did, what are you saying?

[iSt]

i think he is saying K did a wrong thing but chobo was also silly to give his service before payment in a reasonably unsafe online transaction.

correct me if im wrong

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by Nemo

No, in a lot of cases, you pay AFTER receiving good or services. For example you pay a plumber after he repaired the links. It's also generally the case in B to B.

For real life things where you have a receipt or proof of transaction.

For digital goods, it's the other way around, you usually pay before something happens, because there are a lot of easy ways to scam people out of digital goods.

Think about it, how many times have you paid after you got something online?

[breadfan]

Zanooku, for someone who is so keen to show the community that you deserve a second chance, you sure do stir up a lot of trouble. Are you really saying you think it's OK that he takes a service from someone without paying? In my books that's stealing. And not like the pirating music kind, but like the actual tangible kind.

Originally Posted by System

For real life things where you have a receipt or proof of transaction.

For digital goods, it's the other way around, you usually pay before something happens, because there are a lot of easy ways to scam people out of digital goods.

Think about it, how many times have you paid after you got something online?

I pay after any service purchased online (e.g. if I were to commission someone to create a logo for me, or something to that effect), goods I always pay first though.

CHoBo already pointed out, it's not really safe to do so anyway, because a buyer can just open a PayPal dispute through PayPal and have the transaction reversed, and they will always protect the buyer in those cases and force the seller to prove that service was rendered. Bit hard to do that with coaching, especially if you are a champ and offer a satisfaction guarantee refund

[GGpope]

Originally Posted by Z4N00KU

Yes, I was smack talking yang.. AMONG THE PRIVACY OF MY OWN SKYPE CALL, much like MANY OTHER PEOPLE who talk about others in their own Skype calls. Not only that, but he wasn't even watching Rogue's stream at the time.
Just because I'm "turning over a new leaf", it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy myself in a private Skype call.

In the privacy of your own Skype call which was on a live stream? If you want to smack talk about others behind their back and pretend its okay, at the very least make sure your 'private' call is actually private before you do so.