[Benji]

EDRAMA!

On a serious note, why is this thread still open?

[V_enDetta]

Benji I made a request to bakainu to reopen the thread when it was still at page 2 as I felt cosmos was being slammed uncessarily and unfairly for having a legit claim. Anyone that had watched the replay (including me) would have lost faith in the sc2sea community if it had just been left at that.

Anyway, now I think it's ready to be closed and I'm glad the injustice dealt to cosmos is undone!

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LennX:

Cooler heads prevail.

[nGenLight]

argh this makes me sick (possibilities of hacking out there)

[Homer]

I knew it... So is he being exiled?

[BaKaiNu]

Thread done and closed. Thank you for those that contributed.

[BaKaiNu]

Thread opened temporarily again, for Meany out of his request. Will close it again really soon. I will put a maximum timeframe of 12 hours for replies.

Any flames or derails will result in infractions.

[MeaNySPR]

I guess you guys are worried about the time frame when I looked at his marine and then his secret expansion. I wrote the explanation myself without having to look at replay because I knew what I was doing and I did not have to look at my own goddamn replay to figure out an artificial explanation. However, I had to watch the replay again out of Xenomorph's request and accusation that I watched a marine and a command center out of nowhere for that split time frame. I just didn't know what the heck he meant by a marine so I had to watch the replay. I had to admit, that it really did seem like I was maphacking. But here's the explanation that you guys would want to hear. If you check my command centers, none of them had enough mana for a scan. I cannot remember every single detail of what moving my camera to a certain spot meant, but I am definitely sure that I was attempting to give a scan. I didn't have to check the thread again because firstly, I needed not to care about such a ridiculous accusation. Secondly, I knew people would realize that the accusation is baseless. But I had to after my friends' notifying me and here I am trying to pointlessly explain myself. You doubters there can bring up so many "evidences" that I maphacked. Sending marines to scout and kill an expansion that I knew was out there, stimming marines back to my base because knowing that a drop would come after being contained, watching different spots of the map willing to scan. Well, I am sure if you guys watch anyone's replay, you can come up with a lot of similar little things to doubt about and conclude that he is a maphacker. Why don't you try to find evidences to show that the person is playing legitly? Maybe that would help to counter your doubts . Now, I really don't care whether you people think of me as a maphacker or not, because I know that my close friends and play mates out there know that I don't and that's what matters to me. As you can see, my clanmates didn't, and that's why I am leaving the clan. I'm not leaving the clan to prevent adulteration, because there's really no way for me to adulterate it as I have done nothing illegitimate. I am leaving the clan because I just couldn't believe how unsupportive the seemingly closest partners could be. I realized I deserved better and I am leaning to my other people who are definitely supportive of me. Thank you guys for participating in this thread and thank you a lot to those who know me and continue to believe in me. You guys are the best

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	TAriiChard:
	TARane:

[EveMassacrisM]

1. None of the accusations made were baseless.

2. Let's just assume you were planning to scan at the natural at the 1 o' clock position at 14:17(Where the random scouting marine was). You clicked your CCs and attempted a scan but realized you had no energy. If you had no energy, would you mind explaining why you flip your screen immediately afterwards to Cosmos' expo at 11 o' clock when you knew you had no energy ?

Moreover, that still hasn't explained why you randomly flipped your screen to look at the scouting marine at the 6 o clock position at 11:57. Were you attempting to scan there too ?

3. Learn to use paragraphs.

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nirvAnA:

so good!

[deL]

When you're specifically looking for maphack proof a lot of random things can seem like proof all of a sudden. If MassacrisM's accusations are all true then surely someone who shows that much hacking behaviour would present proof in other replays/games.

If we can get from MeaNySPR the replays from immediately before and after the game in which he has been accused here and proof of the matchlist to show they are the right games we can make a better judgement.

Sure stimming before running into an unscouted expo is very suspicious but if he does that in like 30% of his games even when there is no expansion then maybe it means nothing.

[Nemo]

I won't post the vids anywhere else as the community has recovered its commun sense : At the very least everyone admit now that this is more than suscpiscious.

Now a message for Meany : You have still the choice between admiting and maintaining your version. I really think you should admit (not in the case you did not cheat, but frankly your defense is really poor nobody will be convinced, beleive me). This because if this thing go Internet (and the vids are pretty buzz material), you should really have apologised before.

As my probable last participation to this thread here is my guess of what happend: You were from a clan of very good players with sometimes "hard emulation", and you absolutely wanted to ease your position as the "one of the most fcking noob in [SPR] clan" (citing RockSPR (that was so nice from a friend btw, Rock I think you can apologise to your ex-mate whatever i does ...)). So you had the dream of beating a GrandMaster what you never did. To do that you obviously had to "artificially" increase your MMR to reach Grand Master level on ladder, then stop hacking to beat one GM (out of 5-6 matchs maybe) and then let your MMR stabilise again at his right level. You could then have you're "trophy" clean of MHack that could help you in your clan position.

Unfortunatelly, of course, you didn't knew when you were going to reach GM level and you were still hacking when you met Cosmos and you get caught.

This version is somewhat compliant with every part of the story we know (nice kid, have hard time in his clan, not usually a cheater, wanted to score a GM victory) and if it's true, you're still very forgivable if you admit. If you have cheated (what I personnally strongly beleive as you guess), that's really what I advise you to do even if you have sweared your closest friends that you have not. If they are, they will forgive the lie.

[TAriiChard]

Originally Posted by Nemo

I won't post the vids anywhere else as the community has recovered its commun sense : At the very least everyone admit now that this is more than suscpiscious.

Now a message for Meany : You have still the choice between admiting and maintaining your version. I really think you should admit (not in the case you did not cheat, but frankly your defense is really poor nobody will be convinced, beleive me). This because if this thing go Internet (and the vids are pretty buzz material), you should really have apologised before.

As my probable last participation to this thread here is my guess of what happend: You were from a clan of very good players with sometimes "hard emulation", and you absolutely wanted to ease your position as the "one of the most fcking noob in [SPR] clan" (citing RockSPR (that was so nice from a friend btw, Rock I think you can apologise to your ex-mate whatever i does ...)). So you had the dream of beating a GrandMaster what you never did. To do that you obviously had to "artificially" increase your MMR to reach Grand Master level on ladder, then stop hacking to beat one GM (out of 5-6 matchs maybe) and then let your MMR stabilise again at his right level. You could then have you're "trophy" clean of MHack that could help you in your clan position.

Unfortunatelly, of course, you didn't knew when you were going to reach GM level and you were still hacking when you met Cosmos and you get caught.

This version is somewhat compliant with every part of the story we know (nice kid, have hard time in his clan, not usually a cheater, wanted to score a GM victory) and if it's true, you're still very forgivable if you admit. If you have cheated (what I personnally strongly beleive as you guess), that's really what I advise you to do even if you have sweared your closest friends that you have not. If they are, they will forgive the lie.

Good story mate. Best story ever. You should write books. You're good. Where does it say he wants a GM victory? Your basically listing the reasons why he should admit to cheating ... But what if he didn't cheat? Why should he confess to something he didn't do?

[Aean(:]

Originally Posted by Nemo

I won't post the vids anywhere else as the community has recovered its commun sense : At the very least everyone admit now that this is more than suscpiscious.

Now a message for Meany : You have still the choice between admiting and maintaining your version. I really think you should admit (not in the case you did not cheat, but frankly your defense is really poor nobody will be convinced, beleive me). This because if this thing go Internet (and the vids are pretty buzz material), you should really have apologised before.

As my probable last participation to this thread here is my guess of what happend: You were from a clan of very good players with sometimes "hard emulation", and you absolutely wanted to ease your position as the "one of the most fcking noob in [SPR] clan" (citing RockSPR (that was so nice from a friend btw, Rock I think you can apologise to your ex-mate whatever i does ...)). So you had the dream of beating a GrandMaster what you never did. To do that you obviously had to "artificially" increase your MMR to reach Grand Master level on ladder, then stop hacking to beat one GM (out of 5-6 matchs maybe) and then let your MMR stabilise again at his right level. You could then have you're "trophy" clean of MHack that could help you in your clan position.

Unfortunatelly, of course, you didn't knew when you were going to reach GM level and you were still hacking when you met Cosmos and you get caught.

This version is somewhat compliant with every part of the story we know (nice kid, have hard time in his clan, not usually a cheater, wanted to score a GM victory) and if it's true, you're still very forgivable if you admit. If you have cheated (what I personnally strongly beleive as you guess), that's really what I advise you to do even if you have sweared your closest friends that you have not. If they are, they will forgive the lie.

Lol wtf is up with the GM story i dont get it -_______-'

ANYWAY-
With all the hype going on in this thread, i'd thought i check the replay out myself. The reaction of MeaNy's was incredible (my latency to the server isnt even that fast..... -___-).
I noted something strange with his first banshee going towards Cosmos' base: MeaNy's apm drops to almost 0 when the banshee was nearing the marines (like.. preparing to react and move back). I dont know though, you could always set yourself to be ready once you reach their natural or something.. (with banshee play).
The medivac drop was hard to believe too. I mean I wouldve sent it circumnavigating the map to check for all possible proxy locations instead of just that one corner (he did see the scv going towards there, but really.. who believes a base is there 5minutes after that happens).

@MeaNy
GL to wherever you head with starcraft. Sad to see you depart with your team.

[deL]

Why wouldn't he just get someone to play on his account up to GM MMR?

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by meany

oh wow man you must have been really pissed off because you just lost to a master league noob and gave so much points away! I really thank you for that because I was really aspiring to beat a grandmaster in a long while.

There.

If he did not cheat, he should not admit of course, what ever the pressure. But if he did, that will be really the safest path for him to admit.

[Fourby]

TBH at the speed that he looked at both the locations (the CC and marine), What meany is saying is actually quite viable.
(yes i watched the replay, esp taking notice of the points pointed out by zerggirl)

He would have tried to scan both places almost instantaneously one after the other to try locate the CC from the running scv he saw earlier running northward from the XN tower. (assuming he saw it on the minimap).. At the APM he was playing at he most likely didnt have the time to think between both locations: "oh shit i have no energy im not going to try scan the other spot now"

I have watched the replay and that point in the replay was most concerning and i was leaning to believing he actually hacked, but now after his explanation, I believe he may very well be innocent. (ofcourse this is just my opinion)

Just for an example for those who refuse to understand what I am saying.

- If you have a bunch of energy in your nexus's mid-late game stored up and you see a push coming and need more units (protoss), you will just spam 'c' on all your warpgates, If you have 6 gates and only ~110 energy over a few nexus's, your going to still spam them on all of your warpgates regardless

At that point do you sit there and count your exact energy? No.. you try get that chrono and if you dont then BL for you.

-i could use an example for Z but its 3am and i cbf, i think you get the point.

among the other things he was doing, he would have just tried to quickly scan the locations.. and it turns out he didnt have the energy BL.

'2. Let's just assume you were planning to scan at the natural at the 1 o' clock position at 14:17(Where the random scouting marine was). You clicked your CCs and attempted a scan but realized you had no energy. If you had no energy, would you mind explaining why you flip your screen immediately afterwards to Cosmos' expo at 11 o' clock when you knew you had no energy ?'

Yeh it happened extremely fast, would would have tried to just scan both locations as fast as he can soo... idk.

As the others have said it would take more replays to really confirm anything. Alot more imo.

[V_enDetta]

Originally Posted by Fourby

TBH at the speed that he looked at both the locations (the CC and marine), What meany is saying is actually quite viable.
(yes i watched the replay, esp taking notice of the points pointed out by zerggirl)

He would have tried to scan both places almost instantaneously one after the other to try locate the CC from the running scv he saw earlier running northward from the XN tower. (assuming he saw it on the minimap).. At the APM he was playing at he most likely didnt have the time to think between both locations: "oh shit i have no energy im not going to try scan the other spot now"

I have watched the replay and that point in the replay was most concerning and i was leaning to believing he actually hacked, but now after his explanation, I believe he may very well be innocent. (ofcourse this is just my opinion)

Just for an example for those who refuse to understand what I am saying.

- If you have a bunch of energy in your nexus's mid-late game stored up and you see a push coming and need more units (protoss), you will just spam 'c' on all your warpgates, If you have 6 gates and only ~110 energy over a few nexus's, your going to still spam them on all of your warpgates regardless

At that point do you sit there and count your exact energy? No.. you try get that chrono and if you dont then BL for you.

-i could use an example for Z but its 3am and i cbf, i think you get the point.

among the other things he was doing, he would have just tried to quickly scan the locations.. and it turns out he didnt have the energy BL.

'2. Let's just assume you were planning to scan at the natural at the 1 o' clock position at 14:17(Where the random scouting marine was). You clicked your CCs and attempted a scan but realized you had no energy. If you had no energy, would you mind explaining why you flip your screen immediately afterwards to Cosmos' expo at 11 o' clock when you knew you had no energy ?'

Yeh it happened extremely fast, would would have tried to just scan both locations as fast as he can soo... idk.

As the others have said it would take more replays to really confirm anything. Alot more imo.

Fourby I'm sorry but I have to counter your entire argument with a few sentences.

1. Meany zoomed to the only 2 expansions out of ALL the expansions in the map, where Cosmos had a unit/building placed.

2. He totally left out the expansion in between the CC and the marine, which is weird as you'll expect your opposition to expand at that one instead of where the marine was.

If those two points (especially the first one) aren't obvious enough, not considering the stimmed marines running down his base to counter the drops by cosmos, I don't know what is.

[Dox]

I'm with deL! Just post a few more replays and it'll clear everything up. Or as the phrase went many years ago, Do it on LAN.

[deL]

Is Nemo just Cosmos' smurf?

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lolwut:

:(

[TAriiChard]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

Is Nemo just Cosmos' smurf?

lol Nemo's account was just made today. He uses a lot of brackets just like Cosmos but Nemo's English is pretty bad compared to Cosmos' English. hmmm conspiracy

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

Is Nemo just Cosmos' smurf?

No. I'm obviously a Cosmos stream viewer, but whoever I am is irrelevant. I don't speak in anyone name either.

Edit : By the way, he is streaming now and playing RsSPR on ladder ... They seem friendly, they chated a bit.

Edit 2 : RsSPR won. Nice game.

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deL:

Words of guilt.