[NvRossi]

part 1 "Before starting... for those of you who don't know, the latest maphacks on the internet block your camera on the last place visited when u are looking at some place u haven't got ANY kind of vision on, so that if people watch the replays they don't find it so evident that you are hacking. Camera block situations should be taken as moments where the camera is COMPLETELY frozen but no action is being made, they are easy to spot because most progamers are constantly moving around with the mouse, and almost never leave their camera at the exact same spot, if they do, it's just for about 1-2 seconds."

Heres another approach at looking at the evidence we have available to ourselves.
For this ill look at one game... myself vs chobo from the previous masters cup on korhal compound....

we'll give a bit of leeway and start looking from around 4 minutes

4:32 to 4:37 5 seconds with 0 actions
5:33 to 5:37 4 seconds with 0 actions
5:41 to 4:43 2 seconds no actions
5:48 to 5:51 3 seconds no actions
6:46 to 6:50 4 seconds no actions
8:24 to 8:28 4 seconds no actions
9:59 to 10:03 4 seconds no actions
12:27 to 12:09 2 seconds no actions
12:59 to 13:01 2 seconds no actions
14:11 to 14:16 5 seconds no actions
18:28 to 18:31 3 seconds

After filtering all the valid times where he makes no actions these all appear to look like screen locks.

I scrolled through the entire combat log rofl and can safely say that i rarely had a second without making an action. Sc2gears says chobo was playing at 160 apm this game and should therefore be pulling around 2.5 actions per second... there should rarely be periods of absence.

part 2
Viking hacking path numero 1
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320420687#

viking hacking pather numero 2
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320420848

viking hacking path numero 3
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320421049

pylon finder extreme 4
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320421330#

Part 3

THE PULL BACK OF THE CENTURY
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320421532

thats all i can do for now... hope you enjoyed this! ima go eat some dinner... will add some more soon

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:
	Stallion:	an excellent way to debate
	iM SundeR:	so many random, short stops but apm stays consistant. even in the game vs ender he just posted there are a TON of these breaks, wtf???
	nGenLight:	LOL @ THAT VIKING RALLY WOW
	Rage:	All still explainable by alt-tabbing to check facebook messages, however.
	TAriiChard:	ROFL funny funny
	Snx.Mufasa:	vikings so sus >_>
	Baldie:	Your commentary is top notch
	Pandan:	If anyone at ANY skill level watches all 5 vids and claims no hacks - please delete their battle.NET accounts
	ROOTPetraeus:	well done
	sRAnti:	Hahahaha that viking. Excellent work Rossi
	Champi:	as you said it best in the last vod. it all adds up
	Eddie:
	crAzerk:	Rossi sounds so cute ^^
	TABiggun:	Awesome content, great post
	AvPoker:	excellent
	x5.Revenant:	WTF AT THAT OVERLORD PATHING
	deL:

[Zealo]

i can say with confidence he wasn't using hacks in any of the 2v2 ladder games he's played with me

why would someone who's hacking ever do proxy rax builds? :S

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Zepph:

Why would anyone even bother hacking team games? Irrelevant.

[nirvAnA]

Yea I don't get it either. Instead of spending time finding more conclusive evidence he resorts to personally attacking people who have different opinions than him, on a forum where opinions are supposed to be shared. as stally said, its a tough decision to make to 100% convict someone of hacking and there needs to be undeniable proof, like in the evets case.

It's a very common elitist attitude.

"Me good at sc2 > me superior than you in all my views > if you disagree with me you must be retarded (insert choice insult)"

don't understand how he manages to insult everyone living in perth too. the world does not work like this.

Rossi's post is a step in the right direction and hope to see more of these analysis

[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by TargA

I posted this in the TA chat, I guess I can post it here as well.

Right now there are 3 types of people defending chobo,

1. people from perth
2. nirvana
3. people that dislike me

What do they all have in common? They ____ at starcraft 2. ( fill in the blanks yo)

You know what because your wrong...

tgun is neutral and unbiased on the matter and he's by far my biggest hater of my cheeses. that is why I still respect him... despite joking that he hates my guts..

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

no no chadman... I did not want part of a team due to commitments.... so i kindly refused the offer.... which was from edge intially

Noone cares about this. Please start responding to the analysis that people have written so that a judgement can be made.

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	nothing wrong with clearing this up if chad makes a lengthy post like that
	ROCCAT_Savior:
	Bash:	edge is right, notihng wrong with him clearing it up when asked, neither post on that issue belongs in this thread.

[SanG]

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	ToRSpookToR:	YES
	SLCN.NXZ:	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
	neKo:

[Strafe]

Probably both

[Dox]

Originally Posted by nvrossi

viking hacking path numero 1
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320420687#

hahahahhahahaha

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by cRSanG

I can't tell if you're being serious. IT'S TARGA.

[jayaiwhy]

so, how can Chobo prove that he isn't hacking?

even if he counter-analyse what you guys have posted, wouldn't that go on forever?

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Pandan:

Watch Rossi's post above - I'd say its hard to say he's not doing SOMETHING suspect

[ROOT`iaguz]

EDIT- actually I didn't read what the viking paths were supposed to mean, nvm.

When I watch those links, it's not amazing that he found overlords. Zergs always put overlords on the sides of ohana, around the main ledges and that area behind the natural. Ender and Mafia had very similar positions for their overlords, so do most zergs on that map. Zergs who don't suck balls position overlords around drop lanes, you can't call someone a hacker that they do this. Rossi, have you ever made a viking and just flown it around and got overlords because you can predict without looking where they'll probably be?

What is really suspect is the fact his habits change. His path in the ender and mafia games is very similar and covers a lot of ground and is just sensible terran play, but the fact that in the peleus game it changes a lot, he skips a lot of ground. Although in the Peleus game he makes a point of running that one viking around a ton, even over large stretches of map that is clear of overlords (the full left of the map) all game long.

As for the pylon thing, it's careless that he didn't check all the third, but rossi you know as well as I do that there's always an additional pylon. Didn't Ray ever teach you that? We'd need to see a lot more replays of him locating the hidden protoss pylons more often. Remember later in that game he does load a full doom drop right underneath an observer and move them right over a pylon before realising it'd been spotted.

The main 100% thing that makes me think he's a hacker is the pull back of the century. That simply does not make sense to me at all.

Quick Comments

	NvRossi:	so its valid to change your path every time? stfu
	Spud:	Ur smoking crack guz
	Nadir:	Check out my video analysis and please add your thoughts to it. You've been fairly neutral and I'd value your thoughts

[Rage]

Originally Posted by jayaiwhy

so, how can Chobo prove that he isn't hacking?

even if he counter-analyse what you guys have posted, wouldn't that go on forever?

This is why I want everyone to be careful about what they say - its as hard to disprove maphacking as it is to prove it.

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nGenLight:

The Oracle has spoken.

[cruxis]

I have an idea.

Send the replays to Catz. He went through Spades replays today and showed the signs of hacking. Some of them were really ******* obscure.

So, why not send the replays to Catz to investigate. He has no interest in the players, the tournament, for the SEA community, so he will be completely neutral. You can even take it a step further and not tell him which player you think is hacking, and if he says Chobo was hacking, then it's a fairly safe bet that he was. If he says he can't find sufficient evidence of either player hacking, well, most probably innocent.

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	nirvAnA:
	jayaiwhy:	Not sure if this issue should be spread outside SEA though
	FvRelimzkE:	get judge catz on de_case

[iM SundeR]

Originally Posted by Rage

This is why I want everyone to be careful about what they say - its as hard to disprove maphacking as it is to prove it.

We're never going to get any kind of statement that constitutes a respectable retort to these allegations from Chobo. He doesn't give a shit. There are a dozen people in this thread looking at his replays trying to prove/disprove the hacks - and this is for the good of the community and to keep a standard of sportsmanship. If Chobo does not want to contribute to that cause then I'm not too sure what can be done.

Quick Comments

	nGenLight:	The Oracle has been shut down. suck shit.
	Pandan:	Could just ban him I spose

[CHoBo(kice)]

Nice post rossi, might I argue that's the same path as medivacs? A player at your calibre not to understand this I cannot understand myself.

Would I not want to clear the path in which I would like to do some marine drops...?

sigh.. I always try avoid queens..

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Pandan:

I take this means no pics of the 11/10? :(

[Peleus]

In the interest of the full picture re: viking paths in my game later he did move to scout the opposite side where no overlords were present. In all 3 games on Onaha (sp?) he scouted or attempted to scout both sides where ovies are commonly placed for drops.


That doesn't however explain things such as - switching rallies between the overlords in vid #2 (I believe), not scouting behind his natural, scouting behind his nat / 3rd and not doing that any other time.

So yeah, just trying to remain unbiased, I think the vid's unfairly leave out the subsequent command queues that's all.

Saying that, it's looking really really suspect when everything is placed together, and what conclusive evidence could we actually obtain?

[sRAnti]

THE PULL BACK OF THE CENTURY
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320421532

1) If Chobo could see what was waiting for him, why would he send his scvs halfway across before pulling them back?

2) I think 2 spines is definitely scary enough to give up the attack, if zerg pulls their drones and transfuses you won't be able to break that.

3) It's a good thing this video doesn't matter at all because LOL THAT FIRST VIKING VIDEO

Quick Comments

	Zepph:	No offence, but please refreain from commenting when you don't know enough to make an informed decision.
	CHoBo(kice):	ty sir
	neKo:	who are you again.
	x5.Revenant:	No offence, but please refreain from commenting when you don't know enough to make an informed decision
	Champi:	this should not be where u make your first post. please leave
	deL:	countering chobo's +rep

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by cruxis

I have an idea.

Send the replays to Catz. He went through Spades replays today and showed the signs of hacking. Some of them were really ******* obscure.

So, why not send the replays to Catz to investigate. He has no interest in the players, the tournament, for the SEA community, so he will be completely neutral. You can even take it a step further and not tell him which player you think is hacking, and if he says Chobo was hacking, then it's a fairly safe bet that he was. If he says he can't find sufficient evidence of either player hacking, well, most probably innocent.

Read the bold part ^^^^

Please know that when i say this i mean no offense, but that could possibly be the dumbest thing I have read in this thread so far.

Why would CatZ waste tons of his time analysing the replays of some random SEA player ? We already have tons of top players from SEA like rossi, mafia, etc who have looked over the replays and given their analysis.

Quick Comments

	ROCCAT_Savior:	yeap
	nirvAnA:	CatZ btw is a registered sc2sea member. True story.

[Eddie]

Nice analysis Rossi.

At first i thought, looks bad, but yeah, that's probably where you'd go if you did want to find/kill them safely. Personally i dont think the pylon example is that sus.

However different scouting patterns on Ohana is very odd! Unfortunately picking off stationary overlords/plyons isn't as obvious as blindly sniping a drop/spotting packs of mutas, but as you say mate, pretty dodgy, and it all bloody ads up!

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CHoBo(kice):

ty sir

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by TABiggun

Read the bold part ^^^^

Please know that when i say this i mean no offense, but that could possibly be the dumbest thing I have read in this thread so far.

Why would CatZ waste tons of his time analysing the replays of some random SEA player ? We already have tons of top players from SEA like rossi, mafia, etc who have looked over the replays and given their analysis.

I sohuld also add then: He hates hackers and is happy to help in finding them out and ruining their SC career. He went through like 8 of Spades replays over the course of 2 hours.