[NairX.Totodile]

no i just specifically want to play in tournaments? not just play against easier opponents. i play against any, the more i play the more knowledge. even if masters are on sea they still have micro knowledge and macro knowledge.

[Hwangje]

Then play 30 games on SEA and get Masters so you can enter them instead of sitting here complaining that Diamonds on KR should be able to enter against SEA diamonds

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	NairX.Totodile:	your not getting the point hwangje...
	MezjE:	+1 lmao we get the point wtf

[ToRFracTaL]

Totodile, the main point is that the skill level in Korea is obviously higher than the skill level in SEA. We understand the fact that you are Diamond yes, but the skill level of being a Diamond in Korea ISN'T the same as being a Diamond in SEA.

Normally, being a Diamond in Korea is equivalent to being a Masters or Grandmaster player in SEA. Even if you cheesed your way it still doesn't remove the fact that you are in Diamond League in Korea.

If you want you can follow Hwang's suggestion and get placed in Masters in SEA.

TL;DR Even if you qualify for something doesn't mean its right to play in it.

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MezjE:

+1

[Rendorian]

Rendorian #713
SEA - Battle.net Profile - http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile...2/1/Rendorian/
SEA - SC2Ranks Profile - http://www.sc2ranks.com/character/se...orian/hots/1v1
Skype - Kristian.Lucignani19

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syfChase:

dat first post

[Elusory]

Please stop with the arguments already...

Totodile, as what FracTaL has said, if you have gotten to Diamond on KR server it means you have the capabilities to beat the players there and get there. So what if you have cheesed and gotten there? You can cheese throughout the tournament too in that case. So your cheese is Master level on AM and SEA right?

Yes, ex-masters can participate because they are -EX- masters. You are CURRENTLY in Diamond on KR server. Because of HotS, many people have gotten masters not because they were suddenly damn good at the game, but because there was this influx of new players who bought HotS just to play the campaign, then play some casual 1v1. Those are the players who would just hit Platinum at most, Diamond if they learn the ropes fast. Hence, us "veterans" who have already played since WoL times would have an edge against these new players. Since leagues are distributed by how well you're doing compared to the whole lot of population on the ladder also and not by your APM, macro skill or whatever, many people managed to squeeze into the coveted "Top 2% of the active population" during that period of time. At around Season 3, it was when the casual players stopped playing already, only leaving us "veterans" again to scrim on the ladder against each other. Now that we're at Season 4 already, you being Diamond on KR really has something to say about your skill level.

I really hope you do understand where I am coming from about this. Once again I am truly sorry for not allowing you to join this tournament. As I've mentioned before, plans of a Masters League are in the making, so do stick around to sign up for that one alright?

[x5_Bard]

Totodile the point is you have been masters before and are therefore ineligible for a GPD tournament. This is very obvious and is a non negotiable. It doesn't matter what rank you are now on whatever server.

Hawngje in future stop attacking people for no reason. You can make a point without having a go at someone.

EDIT: Sorry, didnt see Elusory's post before I replied.

Also its a bad decision to compare diamond across servers. If totodile is diamond and has never achieved higher he should be eligible for a GPD tourney. Im quite confident he has got masters on NA though, so its a moot point. Its simple, once you reach masters you are in a new bracket of players and like any other bracket there is a bottom. You will probably now be near this bottom, be a man (/woman ^^), take the challenge and move up it. Dont look back and try to compete at the top of the old and "easier" bracket

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	NairX.Totodile:	very well, ill stoop now bard.
	syfChase:	Solid points.
	MezjE:	very well, ill stoop now bard. lies

[mGGNemesis]

I'm a little confused.

So Diamond on KR means they cant play as well? If that is what I'm reading right, then I think it has to be stated clearly because there are ex masters that I can see signing up for this. And from what I heard, some maybe diamond or even be masters from NA or KR (even briefly like 1 season) not just SEA masters or gms. And it is possible for some of the people listed signing up for this who might be Diamond KR (currently) as well but just that we do not know or they have not said it, either because this just popped up?

I see this currently as it's totodile and we know what he is like or capable skill wise. But unless it is clearly stated that diamond KR do not qualify, there might be others like him who equally would need to know that they cant sign up for this.

Otherwise, this matter does appear unfair towards totodile.

[mGGNemesis]

Originally Posted by x5.Bard

Totodile the point is you have been masters before and are therefore ineligible for a GPD tournament. This is very obvious and is a non negotiable. It doesn't matter what rank you are now on whatever server.

Elusory did mention that ex masters are discouraged but not banned so technically he does qualify for this.

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x5_Bard:

yeah I posted that after fractals and didnt see his response ^^

[Elusory]

Perhaps a little bit of misjudgement here on my part as well. I've started this tournament, indicating that it's GPD while assuming that Diamond on KR has always been seen as Masters on AM or SEA. I guess if there are people who are still Diamond on AM or SEA, and at the same time Diamond on KR, Totodile would then be allowed to join...

So is anyone here Diamond on AM / SEA and KR at the same time? Please do let me know because as much as possible I do not want to be unfair towards Totodile.

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	syfChadMann:	I know GMs on SEA in Diamond on Kr....
	syfChase:	^Can back that up
	MezjE:	me too
	carmour:	The thing is getting GM on SEA is so ******* weird that it isnt an accurate yardstick. There aren't enough active playrs

[syfRize]

Uh, question, i was master na recently and gm on sea a while back (in the weird hots seasons)
since then i've been plat consistently, most of the reason i placed in masters a while ago is admittedly because of cheesing a lot too..

Would I be eligible? If there are any issues i could happily change race to as i have been planning again.

I don't expect to be realized as P/D level because of the recent masters status, but cheese and retarted MMR systems kind of put me there.
Here are my current profile links -

SEA
NA
KR

[Elusory]

Originally Posted by AxS.KnighT

Uh, question, i was master na recently and gm on sea a while back (in the weird hots seasons)
since then i've been plat consistently, most of the reason i placed in masters a while ago is admittedly because of cheesing a lot too..

Would I be eligible? If there are any issues i could happily change race to as i have been planning again.

I don't expect to be realized as P/D level because of the recent masters status, but cheese and retarted MMR systems kind of put me there.
Here are my current profile links -

SEA
NA
KR

I've checked your "Last Season"'s W/L ratio, points, and any other thing that I would want to check. You are eligible to join the tournament.

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syfRize:

Thanks bruh!

[NairX.Totodile]

so would i qualify or not? please tell me, if not do not worry as Nemesis stated and Bard, thanks

Regards Totodile




Representing Team Fusion Slugs.

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Elusory:

For the public to know, I'm contacting him via PM now and considering his application.

[kyuza]

kyuza.575
http://www.sc2ranks.com/character/se...kyuza/hots/1v1
skype: jordonscottlim

[dekid]

Hello there everyone. I'll be announcing our decision with regards to diamond kr

Totodile will be allowed to play. We say this hoping that everyone will understand that, it is partly our fault for overlooking diamond kr players. Since we did not state that it is not allowed, we believe that so long as you are GPD, you should play (hey, its gpd after all). I believe that everyone deserves a chance if they want it

I understand many of you may think 'what if more diamond kr players join?!' rest assured. We WILL have a season 1 review and will take necessary steps to ensure a fair and fun competition for everyone. Feedback is welcomed.

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MezjE:

lol

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by x5.Bard

Totodile the point is you have been masters before and are therefore ineligible for a GPD tournament. This is very obvious and is a non negotiable. It doesn't matter what rank you are now on whatever server.

Also its a bad decision to compare diamond across servers. If totodile is diamond and has never achieved higher he should be eligible for a GPD tourney. Im quite confident he has got masters on NA though, so its a moot point.Its simple, once you reach masters you are in a new bracket of players and like any other bracket there is a bottom. You will probably now be near this bottom, be a man (/woman ^^), take the challenge and move up it. Dont look back and try to compete at the top of the old and "easier" bracket

Originally Posted by Totodile

so would i qualify or not? please tell me, if not do not worry as Nemesis stated and Bard, thanks

Regards Totodile




Representing Team Fusion Slugs.

Originally Posted by dekid

Hello there everyone. I'll be announcing our decision with regards to diamond kr

Totodile will be allowed to play. We say this hoping that everyone will understand that, it is partly our fault for overlooking diamond kr players. Since we did not state that it is not allowed, we believe that so long as you are GPD, you should play (hey, its gpd after all). I believe that everyone deserves a chance if they want it

I understand many of you may think 'what if more diamond kr players join?!' rest assured. We WILL have a season 1 review and will take necessary steps to ensure a fair and fun competition for everyone. Feedback is welcomed.

So pretty much you have disregarded what everyone else has said, ******* gold.

Then Totodile is like 'ok bard I will stoop derpderpderp' yet still asks again.... Why not ******* take in to account what Bard said and go play in M/GM and work towards something?

Diamond KR =/= Diamon on NA, EU or SEA

[carmour]

What people need to realise in regards to the leagues on SEA is that at the masters/GM level. There are literally no active players. Because of this, top Dia players get catapulted into GM when other ppl get kicked for inactivity. You just have to look at the masters/gm leagues to know. There are probably 20 GM's instead of 200. Anyone who is actually GM/masters lvl plays on KR or NA because it actually has competition. I personally feel like GM and masters is just an extension of high diamond.

As for Diamond KR, has it actually been empirically proven that the skill cap at Dia is that much higher on korea? I'm sure that everyone agrees that GM and Masters level KR is obviously a much higher skill level, but is Dia actually that much different? KR still has casual players like SEA too..

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by carmour

What people need to realise in regards to the leagues on SEA is that at the masters/GM level. There are literally no active players. Because of this, top Dia players get catapulted into GM when other ppl get kicked for inactivity. You just have to look at the masters/gm leagues to know. There are probably 20 GM's instead of 200. Anyone who is actually GM/masters lvl plays on KR or NA because it actually has competition. I personally feel like GM and masters is just an extension of high diamond.

As for Diamond KR, has it actually been empirically proven that the skill cap at Dia is that much higher on korea? I'm sure that everyone agrees that GM and Masters level KR is obviously a much higher skill level, but is Dia actually that much different? KR still has casual players like SEA too..

I think everyone's opinions is enough proof... It is not that difficult to understand.

Dia has a much higher skill level in KR, SEA GM/M is irrelevant and you are correct HOWEVER Dia on KR is Masters on NA or EU (maybe not for really low dia)... If you are that ******* desperate to play in a GPD or are just too scared to play in M/GM competitions why not just ladder on NA for a while so we can properly gauge your skill rather than just repetitively asking on whether or not you can play...

[dekid]

It is ultimately totodile's decision to join or not. I believe he should be allowed. Your opinion on him may or may not matter to him.

Like what we have said. we discourage ex-masters but will not stop them.

We will have a plan of action after season 1. I'm not saying ALL diamond kr players will be able to play forever. We just want to see how it turns out.

TL;DR: It is his decision to play, give us season 1 to review how we can make it better.

Thank you

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x5_Bard:

Good idea, it will give you a clear indication of what leagues meet the requirement!

[Lokth]

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[Elusory]

Originally Posted by Lokth

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