[VB_WhiplashJC]

VB is alive and well, but we don't really use the House clan stuff, I guess mainly because we have our own website/forums and because Pott isn't around much any more and he was the one who promised me he'd keep it up to date.

I wouldn't object to VB being removed on that basis, but I do think we benefit from being associated with sc2sea. What I'd ask is if we could keep the icon up there and just have it link to our website - maybe that would be appropriate for other clans too.

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	mGGNemesis:	VB cool clan :)
	Matt93:	VB terrible beer :)

[RuineD]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Nobody is "entitled" to have a house clan, it is not your right. Being around for 1 year as a shitty bad manner clan doesn't matter. We give house clan status to deserving clans and hope the exposure encourages them to grow bigger and stronger. Do we want to encourage a shitty bm clan to be a bigger shitty bm clan? Absolutely not.



On the topic of IXL, i actually gave them the benefit of the doubt and set up a page for them a long time back in Jan. http://www.sc2sea.com/view_ixlhome.htm I told IXLives to msg me when its ready and their info was added in. In fact, most of it is already done. IXLives told me to wait on announcing it because they were creating their own new site. Recent immaturity from their members who have no clue what went on have made me reconsider.

"shitty bad manner clan"

I've actually quietened down for the better part of this year - I actually have NO idea what "immature" behaviour you are talking about. The last thing I can remember was that stupid mGG debacle which involved a small minority of the clan who were punished by Runamok/Lives following it. If I learned anything from it I realised it's a waste of time trying to argue with people about what should and shouldn't be said BLA BLA BLA. But reading this is actually fucked. You call us a shitty bad manner clan? Shitty bad manner site owner more like it.

Your personal vendetta against like 3 people of IXL seems like it has become a ******* obsession. Get over it, you're making something of essentially nothing which happened like 8 months ago.


EDIT: the hypocrisy of nirvana's rep comment - "proving the point" of the thread; as in, you're BMing all of IXL and call it "proving the point" when we respond angrily and obviously as aggressively as you are being.

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	Oh this post brought out the behaviour i mentioned perfectly. + You're the one making something of nothing
	SLCNPezz:	you're both being immature but idk why you would respond like this ruined, it just makes you look like a kiddo.

[ToRSpookToR]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

VB is alive and well, but we don't really use the House clan stuff, I guess mainly because we have our own website/forums and because Pott isn't around much any more and he was the one who promised me he'd keep it up to date.

I wouldn't object to VB being removed on that basis, but I do think we benefit from being associated with sc2sea. What I'd ask is if we could keep the icon up there and just have it link to our website - maybe that would be appropriate for other clans too.

yeah i know haha but i rarely see you guys any more

now TA vs Nirvana is gone we need a new clan it seems to be IXL

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	TAEdgE:	TA #1 Manner
	RuineD:	if we were as manner as TA we would be house clan :(

[SLCNA.Peppy]

I mainly lurk this site but I feel I should provide some input on the matter both as a member of IXL and the community.

Sadly as a member of IXL I have been given the impression that my kind are disliked here and as a result am hesitant to post here. This directly influences the way the community views IXL. Because only a few of our clan actually regularly post here our image is skewed. And despite the attempts of the players who did give our clan a bad reputation to "clean up their act" the reputation of IXL stayed the same due to new members avoiding posting, and a lack of willingness to change opinions by key members of the site.

From this point I will post more often to try and overcome this bad reputation. I will encourage other IXL members to do the same and hopefully our reputation will be seen for what it truely is. Keep in mind that us at least being considered for house clan statues would provide alot of encouragement for other members of IXL.

I really hope this post has made a difference because it pains me to see our leaders working so hard and achieving no recognition. And lately I have sensed a lack of passion in our sc2 division, passion that thrives with community interaction.

EDIT: "perfectly said if only these members could see how much they have hurt their own clan." They do, and they have made numerous efforts to change this image, however what i'm trying to say is that without the help of the community to encourage them to keep their good behaviour and to accept the new image no progression will be made.

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	perfectly said :) if only these members could see how much they have hurt their own clan.
	Seffy:	Well said.
	TCPKerO:	This a very positive post, you have the right idea! Keep positive and you will get it!
	MezjE:	My brain hurts.
	sR.Kumo:	great post, I'm sure if you keep active and positive, it'll work out :D
	FSJhedjuka:	I approve this message!

[Pandan]

As much as I agree with the saying "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - the problem here is that the doubt has somewhat been removed, so being silent isn't the fix.

You're actually in stage 2 where you need to be vocal, active and helpful members to alter the perception.

[TCPKerO]

Working towards a solution, rather than consistently pointing out the faults of others is where this should be heading.

[water666]

just a note for nirvana outsourced merged with axis and we are now one under the axs tag

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	syfRize:	^ <3
	nirvAnA:	ty

[x5.RunaMoK]

It's sad sight to see this kind of "reputation" being perceived about the IXL community.
We've done nothing but support the SEA/ International scene since our emergence into E-sports and we've set out with goals to stand out and for good reasons.
The entire E-sports scene is based off multiple characters and individuals that create following / tension. This generates hype to generate viewership to allow advertising to then re-support the characters.
That being said we acknowledge the incident between IXL & MGG was wrong and the person(s) responsible where chased up and talked to, not only for the image of IXL but the overall image we have E-sports.

You'll find in any and all sport there will be banter, this isn't a direct result of us simply targeting any group or individual but what simply comes in a competitive scene. It is like a subliminal way to promote improvement as players and clans alike, strive for the overall victory.

What we pride ourselves on is even through this fog of war, IXL members if defeated will shake hands and we will be back to tackle the challenges you the community present us as we strive for rank #1.

House clan or not, we remain.

See you around.

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Montycarlo:

Good solid resolve.

[Stallion]

ok heres my 2 cents for what its worth first off IXLeditorinchiefs post was fantastic. Clans in sea get damaged very quickly by one person doing dumb shit as we are so small, but i actually think this is a good thing as you get to see how the clan leader/s react to the dumbarse. Im actually not that sure about ixl I know one person who was insanely cocky but everyone gets cocky at somepoint in this game ive found(maybe its just me) yet what i do know is Runamonk is a very hard working dedicated leader for ixl.

two things from my point of view should happen:-
1. tell Runamonk to try to make sure that everyone who is in ixl or joins ixl in the future knows of the responsibilities and expectations of being a member of ixl are and the consequences.

2. For me personally I'd invite them to be a house clan. Runamonk is a fantastic hard working man with a great temperament. If i was asked if they should be a house clan i'd vote yes on the proviso of number 1.

anyway just one stally opinion

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	BearPack:	My names Bearpack, and I support this message.
	RuineD:	+1

[mGGNemesis]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

On the topic of IXL, i actually gave them the benefit of the doubt and set up a page for them a long time back in Jan. http://www.sc2sea.com/view_ixlhome.htm I told IXLives to msg me when its ready and their info was added in. In fact, most of it is already done. IXLives told me to wait on announcing it because they were creating their own new site. Recent immaturity from their members who have no clue what went on have made me reconsider.

If I understand this right, IXL was given the chance and invited to be a House Clan but somehow something didn't quite work out or delayed. If nirvana did give them the opportunity in Jan (and it is Aug) now, then it will be unfair to say that nirvana has not given them the opportunity or denied an invite for them to be a House Clan.

Perhaps people in IXL has to relook at this and if the members didn't know about this opportunity, and hence saying they weren't invited or allowed to be a house clan, to perhaps find out why they didn't know about it when the above shows that they were indeed invited early this year?

Just my 2 cents from what I understand from reading above and all the comments made.

In general I think clans (new or ones starting to get involved) should have a certain period of time shown to be active before applying or getting approval for being a house clan. It has happened one time too often when we see a clan go all excited and hyped only to die or just go inactive/not living up to its promise in 1-3 months. Perhaps a period of 3-5 months so that community can get to know them before being considered for house clan?

I have often directed players to sc2sea.com to check out the various house clans and pointed out the various clans around. So a stringent condition before acceptance to be one doesn't seem wrong as it might be embarrassing when someone checks only to find that a clan has actually gone inactive or the information not updated and hence prospective players were unable to contact certain clans etc.

Quick Comments

	SLCN.CautioN:	is 2 cents a thing now
	mGGDaedalus:	with enough we'll soon have a dollar
	RuineD:	we've been asking for house clan for months. it was offered in january, not recently lol.
	syfChase:	The more 2 cents the richer the quality of discussion :)

[nGenLight]

I remember a particular incident involving IXL and mGG that displayed an extreme level of immaturity of IXL members. But this was a while back, and I'm sure a few bad cookies do not represent the entire clan. Their leadership, albeit feisty and young, do act like they portray good values and are heading towards the right direction.

[zenabi]

Honestly, before i read all of this I had nothing against IXL, and still don't with the majority. I just believe that the way some members are talking to nirvana, who without him we wouldn't have this site to create house clans, which i believe is wrong.
Ok so IXL have asked and asked and asked and yes, maybe it should have been acted upon sooner, but the way in which some members have reacted lately in this thread does not help your cause.
I have nothing against IXL and hope to see them continue to be active within the SEA scene, I just think that some players are taking their frustrations out the wrong way.
I remember back when I was leader of NaZGaming and we got house clan status. Its hard work, and I personally feel IXL have been around long enough to serve as a house clan, I mean (not meaning to point fingers) but Solarity became a house clan, despite actions taking by members of their clan smurfing and other things as well

*rant ended, please don't hate me

[nGenLight]

IXL Justin Bieber actually gets quite angry, and is probably 90% responsible for your clan's shitty image.

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RuineD:

:D

[FSBenAD]

Well Im glad the things started to get productive in this thread, when I started reading it I was getting worried!

Anyway I do think we should have a clean out of the house clans (to remove the ones which are gone now). Not only does this reduce clutter, it would really help new people to sc2sea. Right now there is a whole lot of clans listed which have been gone for a while and it could be hard for them to tell. And once you find one in inactive, you end up not "trusting" the system (ie stop looking at the others).

And this probably isnt the right thread, but I still think that at some point we need a better way of talking between clan leaders, we have a lot of responsibility to help sc2 grow in SEA and helping each other grow. It would also probably stop half the shit fights we see...

Quick Comments

	sR.Kumo:	For that I'd suggest a private "clan leader" sub forum, or a large skype group chat ;P
	ThatGuyDoMo:	I second this motion
	syfRize:	thirded
	mGGDrGooSe:	Indeed. Always meant to get one going before last SEACL anyway. But you know, I suck. So...
	Seffy:	SC2SEA needs a Clan Council. Made up of clan leaders, and site admins and mods.
	VorteX:	I agree with CrayonPop and BenAD and everyone here in this post :P There should be like a Private Clan "Meeting" Room.

[mGGJuggerGOOSE]

King Arthur (Nirvana) and his knights (clan leaders) of the round table (Private Forum)

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	syfRize:	I'm the only knight needed :D
	sR.Kumo:	shhh SouL, it's okay, no need to be sad that you're not the first Knight in NirvAnA's heart...

[mGGJuggerGOOSE]

Are any of these house clans still active? Mineski, Terror Australis, SPR, aLt, Hyding Breed and Solarity?
EDIT: and OS

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	mGGNemesis:	not sure about mineski and spr but sR has definitely disbanded
	OSL0rd:	OS is still here, but due to recent incidents and schedules with exams not much is going on.

[TCPDecas]

I dont really know any of the Clans other than NairX and eMp, they both seem to be sizable mature clans from what I have seen of them in the sea scene. I have met some of eMp guys on ladder and afterwards had a great discussion about our game. Good luck for all the clans under consideration.

Allez TCP

[SLCN.Wally]

Originally Posted by mGGAbyssal

Are any of these house clans still active? Mineski, Terror Australis, SPR, aLt, Hyding Breed and Solarity?
EDIT: and OS

Clearly you don't watch OSrusher's stream

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	ThatGuyDoMo:	OSPixel as well :D
	mGGJuggerGOOSE:	I actually havent ever seen those names before. :( I will keep an eye out in the future
	OSL0rd:	Reminder again, Rusher is not part of OS anymore. Pixel is thou. Still "enjoying" ladder.

[ToRSpookToR]

ToR is active

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FLuX:

ToR unofficially disbanded m8 bad luck announcement next week sometime

[SLCN.CautioN]

Originally Posted by mcaspook

ToR is active

Yes... yes it is