[Fairyking]

@Light Fair enough you make some valid points but first I will state I was not having a go at you. Secondly we were always fully aware of the problems that would occur with him but we'd rather not state it because that is what he wants is recognition. I thank you for your kinds words I'm aware I can come off as quite abrasive at times and I apologize for that. Also Titan and I have foreseen many problems we are fully aware it may not work but if I might quote Bruce Lee: "A goal is not always meant to be reached, it often serves simply as something to aim at."

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mGGDrGooSe:

haha baller response man. You've grown so much as a person since I first met you.

[Fairyking]

I would just like to thank everyone for their comments constructive or otherwise and we appreciate all criticism. Also a big thanks to everyone who is planning to join and or support in any way they can, be it even a simple "Nice idea bol"

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Nihc:

Nice idea bol!

[mGGDrGooSe]

For clans with only a small number of GMs, it may be possible to form an alliance until you get more numbers?

[NDG.Stitch]

Eve's logo is not there

This is Clanism.

[mGGNemesis]

Would including their top masters players (for the clans with smaller number of GMs) possibly help? Maybe max 2?

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Fairyking:

Would take so much more effort to do that.

[mGGDrGooSe]

For anyone who wants their clans icon in the banner, place a link to an imgur copy of it, and we will work to get that done by the time things start in january. I say this, although Titan is the one that needs to confirm seeing as it's his banner :P

[mGGPrometheus]

Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

For clans with only a small number of GMs, it may be possible to form an alliance until you get more numbers?

That's a great suggestion. Yep, we're thinking of allowing small clans to make alliances for the CLC and will update the main post soon.

[UHF]

Not sure if it's been clarified, but you keep mentioning clan - do you mean clans or teams or both? Can people pick and choose if they are in both a team and clan?

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Fairyking:

Both is fine for the first season but players must choose between a clan or team.

[Benji]

Without any specific prizes, I am not going to ask my players to spend their time playing games on a vastly inferior server. Even if every SEA player becomes active on the SEA ladder, Korea will still be better for training (as will NA).

The SEA scene does not need an active ladder to be successful, we need consistent events and community interaction and participation. By teams asking their players to play on SEA, you are limiting their potential skill level making it harder for them to compete worldwide. Any time spent on SEA can be spent on Korea.

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	mushistar:	+1 i love you benji
	Fairyking:	We mostly want players who don't have access to korea. Also we want the master players and clan GMs to work harder.
	Flamga:	Agreed with this

[Fairyking]

@Benji as I said in the post this is mainly for clans, we allow teams as well if they want to play. Also the prize is quite specific, money and achievements the amount of money has yet to be determined though. The SEA scene I feel does need an active ladder for those who enjoy laddering on SEA and are in SEA clans who almost all hang on SEA. We don't expect pro teams to join we were merely being polite in saying they could. Most who will join this won't have access to Korea. Most of these things have already been stated.

[Fairyking]

I would also like to add if you have questions or concerns we'd much prefer you PMing us. This is for the main purpose for fun, entertainment and to bring more competition to the ladder. <-- Please understand that.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by mGGZeratul

@Benji as I said in the post this is mainly for clans, we allow teams as well if they want to play. Also the prize is quite specific, money and achievements the amount of money has yet to be determined though. The SEA scene I feel does need an active ladder for those who enjoy laddering on SEA and are in SEA clans who almost all hang on SEA. We don't expect pro teams to join we were merely being polite in saying they could.

Well then I hope any clans my team are associated with don't ask my players to be active. And no, SEA ladder does not need to be active, if it is to encourage players without Korea access... wouldn't they play on SEA anyway? If it is to encourage activity, HOTS will solve that issue. If you offer a cash prize, someone like Mafia will jump in and hold that rank 1 slot for a few months, and you're essentially paying players to train in non ideal circumstances.

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Fairyking:

I really don't think you're getting the point of all this at all.

[Fairyking]

If you don't want to participate that is fine with me, many clans like this idea many players like this idea so those people will participate. Also you kind of answered yourself " SEA ladder does not need to be active, if it is to encourage players without Korea access... wouldn't they play on SEA anyway?" That is the point of this fun and competition for those players who are on SEA.

[SLCN.NXZ]

Also a lot of players who aren't the best GMs on SEA play on NA just due to queue times. If the queue times were the same they would just play SEA because SEA vs NA for them is the same in skill level. This will encourage all of those players to play, which will then by extension keep them playing here as there is no reason not to be, for them. Lastly, at Benji if the queue times can be lessened on SEA then the occasional ladder here for your top player won't be a big deal. It would be the same as it used to be with you're random pro with a 30-2 record at the top of gm because they felt like playing after a tournament or something.

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

actually thinking about it, that would only encourage the top 3 people to play, not the whole clan, therefore defeats the purpose.

when we do club vs club fishing competitions we use this system (they actually make the club score average of top x, where x is number of people in the club with least people participating, same principle). it gives the club with more participants an advantage (anyone who has a bad day/unlucky day doesn't have their score used) but not an 'unfair' advantage.

i suggest it because under 'average of all GMs', anyone who is not the highest ranked player in their clan (or at least above the clan average) is actually dragging the clan score down, and would best serve their clan in this competition by dropping out of GM (or not participating if it's fishing).

average of top 3 (i pick that as a sort of 'minimum', make it 5 or 10 same principle), or someone like light or tgun could declare themselves a clan for this comp and win top 'clan' by themselves), they don't drag their clan down by laddering. maybe one week (or more) they break into the top 3 of their clan, maybe they don't. but the clan benefits more from them trying than it does from them dropping out of GM.

obviuosly up to you if you're running it. just a suggestion.

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Asrathiel:

I like that idea :)

[mGGPrometheus]

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

Well then I hope any clans my team are associated with don't ask my players to be active. And no, SEA ladder does not need to be active, if it is to encourage players without Korea access... wouldn't they play on SEA anyway? If it is to encourage activity, HOTS will solve that issue. If you offer a cash prize, someone like Mafia will jump in and hold that rank 1 slot for a few months, and you're essentially paying players to train in non ideal circumstances.

Well there is always a work-around for this. If pros who are part of clans don't want to be a part of this, they can always just not get into Grandmaster on SEA. We're only tallying Grandmaster points.

[SLCN.Kez]

I think its a good idea and cannot possible harm the scene, if pros dont wanna play in it then they dont have to

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	Fairyking:	<3
	nirvAnA:	<3

[Satu]

Originally Posted by mGGZeratul

@Benji as I said in the post this is mainly for clans, we allow teams as well if they want to play. Also the prize is quite specific, money and achievements the amount of money has yet to be determined though. The SEA scene I feel does need an active ladder for those who enjoy laddering on SEA and are in SEA clans who almost all hang on SEA. We don't expect pro teams to join we were merely being polite in saying they could. Most who will join this won't have access to Korea. Most of these things have already been stated.

I don't think that its your problem to fix, nor is Benji complaining. His point is that in the current form of the SEA server, in comparison to the other servers, it isn't worthwhile playing on SEA for higher level players. I believe Benji is correct here, Light was saying something very similar earlier in this thread.

However, this is a brilliant idea to motivate improving SEA players to improve even more. Which ultimately, is what SEA needs more of to be a more successful scene overall.

Edit: On a side note, Team SPR is a practically inactive team. Surprised me to see SPR in the banner. Anyone that I can think of that is still an active SPR member doesn't play SEA unless they are screwing around or not practicing at the time, myself included.

Edit2: I didn't say you said it was incorrect. I was posting to echo what others have said, basically.

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Fairyking:

I never said that was incorrect........

[Fairyking]

Okay thanks for the heads up Satu about SPR and thank you for your kind words. I understood Benjis point but this is not for those higher level players who go to other servers this is for the lower levels for them to improve/havefun/compete to get to those higher levels. But as I said before it's not like we will stop them from joining if they want to seeing as this is ultimately for fun ^_^ .

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

Well then I hope any clans my team are associated with don't ask my players to be active. And no, SEA ladder does not need to be active, if it is to encourage players without Korea access... wouldn't they play on SEA anyway? If it is to encourage activity, HOTS will solve that issue. If you offer a cash prize, someone like Mafia will jump in and hold that rank 1 slot for a few months, and you're essentially paying players to train in non ideal circumstances.

It's not exactly hard to play 5 games a week on a server to maintain your rank on the SEA ladder.. that, or co-ordinate with other players to play practice games, just on the SEA ladder. It's much less of an issue than you're making it out to be.

For example, when I used to ladder on SEA to keep my GM spot, I would ask anyone on my friends list to come play a bo5 on ladder. Are you saying that playing against mafia is bad practice? Or Iaguz? Or Glade? Or Ninja?

All it takes is a slight amount of co-ordination to participate in, what is going to be, a nice community-driven event.

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	nirvAnA:	<3
	Asrathiel:	Well said
	Maynarde:	Best post
	fray`Alpha:	my thoughts exactly on the not too much effort for a couple gsmes a week
	mGGNemesis:	:D best post indeed