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Antel0pe · Wed, 26th-Sep-2012, 9:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FSQwerty

I just feel the punishment should have been more severe, but i honestly do hope they "Grow" up a bit. Permanent ban from online tournaments (not lans) would of been better! but hey! nirvana is the boss and what he says goes!

we're banned from all sc2sea tournaments, BSG, PD, wT Weekly Master Cup. Re-read the OP post please

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OSPixel:

i did read it, said you were banned for 3 months. small punishment in my opinion

Antel0pe · Wed, 26th-Sep-2012, 9:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sRAntelope

i did read it, said you were banned for 3 months. small punishment in my opinion

so do I, but I can't go begging for more punishment, yeh? I trust the sc2sea admins enough that they made the right decision for us.

**nirvAnA** · Wed, 26th-Sep-2012, 11:55 PM

Just to add some perspective on the punishment not being "permanent"... yet.

Punishment should aim to accomplish two things:

1. Send a clear message this type of behaviour is wrong
2. Discourage such behaviour in future from others

Punishment should not:

1. Be so harsh to remove people from the clan, destroy a clan, force a player into retirement etc. The point is not to destroy/remove the offender/clan it is to correct their behaviour and discourage such behaviour.
2. This is not the same as chobo/seohyeon's punishment. As nemo said they were thieves. sR were doing dodgy shit but in a friendly clan war.

Obviously when its clear that the person is not going to repent, only then we talk about "permanent" and "indefinite" bans. In most cases such as forum bans, many chances are given first. That is the way it has always been, I think its reasonable enough. However, smurfing in lower league competitions especially is a very serious issue. We need to protect the spirit of fair competition and we cannot afford to be lenient there as such behaviour is detrimental to the whole scene and cannot be tolerated.

With that being said, there is also no need to go overboard. There is no need to jump ahead to the next stage and administer a punishment too serve such as an indefinite ban for now. And yea the message has already been sent and people should now be well aware of the consequences. Repeat offenders will be severely dealt with, permanently.

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	OSPixel:	Well said, thanks for that nirv!
	Antel0pe:	thanks for clearing things up Nirv
	Bash:	tyty
	Cube.Dione:	Well said.

**|Erasmus|** · Thu, 27th-Sep-2012, 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Obviously when its clear that the person is not going to repent, only then we talk about "permanent" and "indefinite" bans. In most cases such as forum bans, many chances are given first. That is the way it has always been, I think its reasonable enough.

This was caught out the first time it happened. The people involved were warned, told they were being watched and were being given their chance. They still did it again. They've already received their chances to atone for things and improve, they chose to throw that away.

I assume that is why a lot of people think it's not harsh enough.

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	fray`Alpha:	yeah, doing it after being caught before AND being the leader of the clan
	x5.Revenant:	Didn't know this.

FSBenAD · Thu, 27th-Sep-2012, 7:47 AM

Good post nirvana,

Its important they get punishment for their crimes definitely but it is also important that there is a way for them to atone for their mistakes and become better members of our community.

I really hope these guys have learnt their lesson, not only are their personal reputations ruined, but sR's reputation took a hit too. And that is really unfortunate and unfair on all the good members of sR who put the effort in and do the right thing.

I really wish sR all the best and I hope they can come back from this stronger. It will take some very good leadership and a lot of hard work, but I'd absolutely hate to see a clan die from the actions of a few (Even if Grim was their leader).

And please kids, think about what your doing. Winning isnt the only thing that matters. Most of the most popular and well loved people in this community, arent there because they win clan wars, tournaments and trophies, they are there because they work their ass off, they always are fair and even handed, and they are just bascailly awesome people. Emulate that and you'll go far

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	mGGNemesis:	This and nirvana's post sums it all so well :)
	FsDronesInJail:	If Ben and Nirv have babies it would be the perfect being....
	nirvAnA:	<3
	xGKingdelete:	well said
	Cube.Dione:	Where is the heart button? ^^v, well said ben.

FsDronesInJail · Thu, 27th-Sep-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Psych

As for now, I'm leaving Team Solarity for good. Hopefully I can find a place to stay permanently this time.

I don't think many clans will be willing to accept you anymore.....
Isn't sR like your 5th clan or something crazy like that?!

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	ROOTPetraeus:	u dun chopped him gud
	Akilos:	it's true...and that ain't his 5th clan if you count the NA clans he joined
	syfSoundwave:	ToR > ETL > TCP > sR in addition to being on Cube
	RicocheT:	I heard loyalty is a good trait to have
	UHF:	So is finding happiness & comfort
	ToRSpartaz:	Want me to backtrack a wee bit? Cube -> ToR -> LgN -> ToR -> ETL -> TCP -> sR
	x5.Revenant:	This guy sounds so slutty.
	ChowMuddha:	^
	Cube.Dione:	so slutty right? What a baby. >.<

deL · Thu, 27th-Sep-2012, 3:28 PM

ur poo heads

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	Antel0pe:	sorrry :/
	FS.Kezz:	So wise :P

**ToRSpartaz** · Thu, 27th-Sep-2012, 3:52 PM

*Sigh* the actions of several individuals don't reflect the thoughts and feelings of the community. I have always stood by this ideal.

Despite a private apology from Grim the last time that it was drawn to my attention that sR have been conducting dodgy practice in their play. I believed that this apology was sincere and that Grim was serious in what he was trying to express towards me. He wanted to form positive relationships with the SEA clans, something that I hoped to believe.

I know a few of the sR guys personally and they are really good individuals the likes of Dream and Aequitas. I just hope from this point onwards you guys can work to re-brand Solarity into a force of good. To be friendly and positively reinforcing the relationships between the other SEA clans and communities. I wish you guys the best and carry on what your trying to achieve, communicate a shared vision of where you guys want to be heading and how you will go about it.

Good luck sR I hope you guys will be able to bring it back.

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	TAEdarus:	Manner
	ROCCAT_Savior:	That leonidus suit is supasxc
	sRDreaM:	^-^

Akilos · Thu, 27th-Sep-2012, 7:18 PM

Mmmm...as much as I'd like to say that Antelope and Grim are a would be cancer things that need to be eliminated they ain't, they're young and well they'll learn from their mistakes.
UNLIKE Psych aka Clanhopper/"The Ungrateful One" who pretty much leaves a team without saying a word to the clan leader then joins another team then rinse and repeat he shows... no loyalty
and when I spoke to him in person about how he feels about being banned he felt "nothing" and that he doesn't care about it. (This is the cancer I feel should be truly...eliminated sadly.)

hey he may be good and he may suck up to you but in the end... he might just leave you in a week so yeah highly recommend not to take him. ><

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	ROOTPetraeus:	lol ouch
	syfSoundwave:	I can confirm him leaving without saying a word to the clan leader.
	pulsePsych:	@Soundwave: I don't deny it.
	TCPLemminks:	what Soundwave said
	Antel0pe:	*they're young