[Maynarde]

I think this bad boy has run it's course, probably didn't need to exist in the first place. If anyone has stuff to say to eachother it can now be done via PM.

[nirvAnA]

re: shuffle

does anyone have any information on what happened? if he acted calm and collected like minimat said theres no point having his name in the thread / op.

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cRSenSei:

shuffle was fine and said gg after both his losses vs glade and me

[Apth]

Originally Posted by tgun

Just quoting to say that I disagree with Nirvanas rep and would counter-rep if I could. Negrep shouldn't be put as a disagreement with someones opinion, it should be used when someone is abusive (but not to the point an infraction is warranted).

Although this is slightly offtopic, I'd quite like to touch on this:

As far as I'm aware, the reputation system is designed to be literally that - how good a community member's reputation is given the value of their posts.

Using reputation to disagree, IMO, sort of defeats the purpose of the system. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and I think disagreement is healthy - it shouldn't affect the reputation of the poster.

Negative reputation should probably be reserved, like tgun mentioned, for abusive posts, or posts with no constructive value.

Disagreeing with someone via a reply, rather than negative rep, allows a more expansive discussion, which is what a forum environment is for.

./2c

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	nirvAnA:	amazing 2c as always
	NvPinder:	i disagree.
	Stallion:	LOL at pinder :P counter rep as he did to be funny im sure
	nGenLight:	Using reputation to agree, would be the exact same argument, see garbage posts by good players that get repped to no ends.
	inFeZa:	damnit pinder beat me to the joke.
	simon:	sigh

[Maynarde]

Re-opening but this thread is silly. I'm of the opinion it doesn't need to exist and the OP was bad.

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	Snx.Mufasa:	agreed... op is bad
	Bash:	OP was terrible. amazed it lasted a full day.
	Spud:	I agree why does it even exist. The thread maker is a dipsheit.

[TAScaramanga]

Originally Posted by tgun

Just quoting to say that I disagree with Nirvanas rep and would counter-rep if I could. Negrep shouldn't be put as a disagreement with someones opinion, it should be used when someone is abusive (but not to the point an infraction is warranted).



It's been on the chatbox: I don't exactly log every bad thing I've ever had said to me, you know. I'm definately the douche here, stepping forward to set the record straight and then having you randomly present your opinion where it's both un-necessary and rude. Yup. I've been a prick to many people and in many ways, but here, you need to shut the **** up.

Also, why is this thread not locked?




Just wanted to say your counter-example did make me sit here think about it for a moment and I can't do anything but agree. I just don't want people to get the wrong opinion when I don't gg a game in a series: I always say ggs wp at the end of a series -- It's not meant as bad manner, or to insult my opponent.

Ive used the chat box less than 3 times. You say I've bmed you in a medium I don't use. Why do you have to lie?

[syfChadMann]

Re: Shuffle - I've heard that he GG'd all his games and shook players hands after the set.. however he left right after his last game and through out the day looked visibly enraged about his losses. Which is totally fine imo...

Why this thread isn't locked? - well it shouldn't be, this is a serious issue that effects this community.. I've said it before, but until everyone acts professionally and shows high sportsmanship, this game will not be seen as a serious sport... you want eSports to be as big as tennis? - a tennis player would be sacked if they stormed out of a tennis match and told everyone that Dunlop racquet's are imba and they wouldn't have lost if the other guy wasn't using Dunlop.

EDIT: Scara and tgun... take your argument to PMs.. Scara, its good to defend yourself when you've been publicly called out.. but everything has been said now - so take the rest to PMs plz.

[[TA]LoSt]

I wasn't near shuffle the whole time so I can't comment on what I didn't see. From what I saw though, shuffle, although obviously disappointed in how he played, gg'd then got up and said gg to his opponent and was pretty manner about the whole thing (in comparison..)

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TABjornbrandr:

[Trusty]

I enjoy reading these things, because it let's me learn stuff about people that I wouldn't have the chance to normally.

Specifically some of the higher-profile aussie players. Helps me to decide who I want to support or not.

And before anyone says, yes - how you are as a person will and should affect your fan-base.

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TAEdgE:

hey support me i have a captains hat

[nirvAnA]

this thread isn't locked because when it just happened in the SEACC we were tempted to do moderation but people said its entertaining and "trash talk happens and is part of the scene". And because this thread is absolutely not any different from that (in fact it is A LOT milder and there are legitimate issues here) there shall not be any double standards.

Anyone who goes out of line in their posts will of course still be warned / infracted when sc2sea Chief of Police BakaInu comes online and i'll imagine that would be a few of you so tgun/scara take it to PMs if you wanna avoid that thanks.

[ROOT`iaguz]

Hey look tgun I think I found you a friend



(Tgun mannered up quickly after he got all ragey. If I cared in the first place about tgun rage then I would care even less now. It's ******* pointless and doesn't deserve a thread or any ******* anything)

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	inFeZa:	Bi tch terrans T_T
	Dox:	terran no mother
	Volition:	Good attitude :)

[Jaywalk]

surely something should be done about such a horrible OP, but the thread content is interesting for sure.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Trusty

Specifically some of the higher-profile aussie players. Helps me to decide who I want to support or not.
And before anyone says, yes - how you are as a person will and should affect your fan-base.

Well, in that case - SenSei was amazingly mannered all day.. such a manner guy.. you should support him ^_^ - he even apologised and said that he felt bad/weird about taking 2nd with GLaDe 3rd when he didn't play GLaDe...

So was JimDiddy!!! - happy and laughing all day...
Can't forget the Diddy..

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	Trusty:	That's good, I have not heard much info about SenSei.
	cRSenSei:	my manager such a nice guy!

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

well it shouldn't be, this is a serious issue that effects this community.. I've said it before, but until everyone acts professionally and shows high sportsmanship, this game will not be seen as a serious sport... you want eSports to be as big as tennis? - a tennis player would be sacked if they stormed out of a tennis match and told everyone that Dunlop racquet's are imba and they wouldn't have lost if the other guy wasn't using Dunlop.

That is an issue for sponsors, and not the community. If the sponsors (or teams that have said sponsors) feel that such behaviour reflects negatively on their company they will take them aside and tell them to shape up or lose the sponsorship.

I don't -encourage- bm, or breaking equipment, but for the people who play professionally, there aren't really that many events in Australia. Every result is important. And in some respects, I think the passion that (especially) tgun often shows at Sydney lans is part of the reason I think esports is so amazing, and really does have a shot at making it as a spectator sport.

I was a bit bored this morning, when after making the final four at mlg, HuK showed no reaction. He exchanged a few words with his opponent and just walked off, while the room was filled with screaming fans. Even in tennis, which has already been used as an example that is pretty manner, the winners will wander around the court and acknowledge the crowd, throw armbands into the audience and such. And of course, there are always guys like Lleyton who will let out a big "C'mon" if he wins a big point, and players throwing rackets is not made out to be a big deal.

And everyone loves MKP because a) he's such a cutie, and b)he cries when he loses an important set in the gsl. He does not rage, he does not be rude or mean to anyone, but you can really tell just how much it means to him when he wins.

tl;dr: I don't want people to be bm, or rude, but I don't like how some people want to suck the passion out of everything to be more professional.

Let's not lose all of the passion that some of our best players show in our games. Let's just try and channel it in a more positive direction on these occasions where it boils over a bit.

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	nirvAnA:
	Mayo:
	Snx.Mufasa:
	Asrathiel:	I wanna hug MKP when he's sad...

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Apth

Although this is slightly offtopic, I'd quite like to touch on this:

As far as I'm aware, the reputation system is designed to be literally that - how good a community member's reputation is given the value of their posts.

Using reputation to disagree, IMO, sort of defeats the purpose of the system. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and I think disagreement is healthy - it shouldn't affect the reputation of the poster.

Negative reputation should probably be reserved, like tgun mentioned, for abusive posts, or posts with no constructive value.

Disagreeing with someone via a reply, rather than negative rep, allows a more expansive discussion, which is what a forum environment is for.

./2c

I agree with you: my problem was, someone could generally be a good member of the community and suggest ideas and receive negative reputation because people would disagree; they would be receiving negative rep purely for suggesting things, not for being abusive / generally a bad person.

[nGenLight]

Or people could have really shitty posts, that people agree with. The reputation system is what is it, people upvoting or downvoting based on their own perception of value in the posts. The same posts delivered by different people would have different effects on the reputation they receive. It is what is is. You cannot abuse a "reputation system", because reputation in itself is a very imperfect way of justifying anybody/posts' true value.

Massive downrepping just means such a post is massively negatively viewed upon by certain groups of the community, regardless if it is justified or not, it is REPUTATION points, not BEING A REALLY GOOD/SMART person points.

Same goes with uprepping, I've seen horse shit posts get uprepped because the poster is well liked or because his good at SC2.

Any way, massive off topic mode off.

I'm sure all players involved will/have made an attempt to right their wrongs, they are not children.

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	Bash:	wise. Lightfucious?
	nirvAnA:	^ what bash said
	syfChadMann:	up-rep cause your pretty good at sc2
	Dox:	i literally rep nearly every post i read lol
	inFeZa:	up rep because you're pikachu
	Fadey:
	TAScarecrow:	up-rep for handsomeness

[inFeZa]

PARTY ON - THREAD OPEN

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	nirvAnA:	LOL
	Asrathiel:	I want a magic rainbow cat!!
	raycey:	I must make it mine :3
	Volition:	rep for making it impossible to read post below or above with that gif

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

Or people could have really shitty posts, that people agree with. The reputation system is what is it, people upvoting or downvoting based on their own perception of value in the posts. The same posts delivered by different people would have different effects on the reputation they receive. It is what is is. You cannot abuse a "reputation system". Because reputation in itself is a very imperfect way of justifying anybody/posts' true value.

There's a reason why I don't have the ability to give people rep anymore, and it's because I agree with you.

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nGenLight:

shutup dickhead and uprep me

[syfChadMann]

@ Erasmus - I wasn't suggesting they take the emotion out of the game.. but like you said.. MKP never rages or BMs .... at least not in public. And I totally disagree with your comment -

"That is an issue for sponsors, and not the community. If the sponsors (or teams that have said sponsors) feel that such behaviour reflects negatively on their company they will take them aside and tell them to shape up or lose the sponsorship."

This community site is the gateway to new sponsors. while current sponsors might tell their players that they need to manner up or try and be a bit more professional in public - bad attitudes and kids raging over games isn't going to have new sponsors rushing in.

moral of the story - act professional if you want to be treated as a grown up competing in eSports.

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	nGenLight:	uprep cuz ur well liked
	TABiggun:	uprep coz youre a pimp

[Fourby]

@erasmus
iirc just storming off without leaving the game IS bm and rude so everything you just said is irrelevant because what happened at those moments were so far over the top .

If you were to use tennis again. It's like the guy is on the brink of losing the last set but doesn't even play the last set and jut storms out of the stadium, depriving his opponent of the satisfaction of actually winning..

Now that being said, this was how I felt at the time(was so awkward i didnt know what to do so i just sat there shooting the rest of his buildings for 5 mins while everyone was silent lol) and no one has mentioned that he came back and straight away shook my hand and we still went out to dinner after and was all back to the same old with no awkward moments

[nGenLight]

no one has mentioned that he came back and straight away shook my hand and we still went out to dinner after and was all back to the same old with no awkward moments

We didn't know,

Deth gets pretty angry when he loses to Protoss, framedrops (who wouldn't). But if he came back and apologized and made things right, respect is regained in my eyes!!!

Thanks for the clarification and well done Samsam, you make Protoss proud .