[NDG.Stitch]

Well the thing about gaming is, that is has more negative than positive in terms of health and academics. It's bad for your eyes, and your health in general proven everywhere. Plus, it definitely affects academics more than a regular sport since there is a factor of stress and strategy all day long. I think putting SC2 into a curriculum will be very hard as it really isn't a way to set a grading system for it. It'll be hard, but goodluck!

[ToRVenom]

Originally Posted by StitchSPR

Well the thing about gaming is, that is has more negative than positive in terms of health and academics. It's bad for your eyes, and your health in general proven everywhere. Plus, it definitely affects academics more than a regular sport since there is a factor of stress and strategy all day long. I think putting SC2 into a curriculum will be very hard as it really isn't a way to set a grading system for it. It'll be hard, but goodluck!

Im not trying to get it set as a subject . I am trying to get it set in as an extra-curriculum activity . Like Chess is at schools. students have the choice to do it and compete with other school.

[Statix]

No i dont support the idea that starcraft has any analytical/ problem solving skills in anyway. without getting madly into it, as a teacher i dont want to bare the thought of the kind of kids who would apply for such a course. Most of the students in my classes just bash COD and their approach to games is like n "huh huh shoot guns, haha u ded duhhhhhhhhhhh" to get them to learn build orders and such hmmmm . . ."when do i get to kill things?", will be the next word out of their mouths.

[neKo]

Sorry this is dumb. In a time where a large percentage of Australian, and even American's teens/kids are becoming unhealthy and Obese, we don't need a computer game to become an extra curricular activity.

And besides, if Starcraft 2 can be a sport. Then why can't Cod4 be one as well? or Halo3.
^^^^ This is what 8/10 kids would say if Sc2 was introduced as a sport.

[Antel0pe]

I think it would be better off as a tuition thing. Like a face to face lesson in a public LAN place.

[EveLoire]

i myself would like to see this implemented in Singapore. However i know the chances of having something similar to this is..........

[LoRDo]

I'm pretty sure this actually was attempted in Brisbane.
People saying "no - go do physical stuff":
- It would have to be extra curriculum- meaning signing up would be voluntary, after school and not taking any opportunities away from physical activity

I used to play chess for school - didn't make a super freakazoid geeban (that happened in Uni).
I was amongst the "in crowd" in HS. If they had of offered dota/1.6/wc3 or something I definitely would have done it.

If you think that sc2 doesn't promote problem solving, multi-tasking and complex reasoning and to some degree coordination, then that is truly concerning!

You, OP, would have my vote sir! If there's anyway I can help (petition or whatever?) let us know. For I shall sign and I would encourage you all to!

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simon:

[Statix]

sorry havent read much of the posts but THERE is an SC2 course in a florida college. Some guy commented on it on a video.

Its not labelled as SC2 just analytical thinking in real world situations or something ill find link and edit

[crAzerk]

@statix yea I've watched like 2 webcast lectures of that course, was pretty interesting nevertheless, I think it's abit off-topic from what the OP is discussing.

IMO this will never happen - as soon as SC2 gets the green light, how about CS, COD, TF2, DoTA?

I find the OP topic abit narrow though. SC2 is quite a small market share in the gaming market, at least in Singapore (correct me if this is wrong for other countries)
It may be more helpful to discuss 'Would gaming be introduced as a CCA?'

Gaming will continue to have a stigma for a very very long time - while I obviously support gaming now as an undergrad, but I can imagine myself as a parent not wanting my kid to spend hours on gaming an neglect his studies, esp with the way the meritocratic education system works.

[Statix]

@CRAZERK yeah, i did my degree in software engineering and my opening sentence in my final project was "The gaming demographic is kids. Adults do not take GAMERS seriously. . . .then i go onto finding out through research that the demographic is 22 - 36 . . didnt expect it, but there you go!

[FaDeKerrigan]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

It has been proven though, that Starcraft helps to increase the brainpower/intellect of players just by the sheer thinking that has to go into all of the decisions that have to be made as you play. Of course, it is unlikely that it will be implemented into a school as society views gaming in an unrelentingly harsh manner. If you pushed the point with numerous supporting documents, however, I'm sure that it could eventually be trialled.

Good luck!

Hey Para, any chance you have the links for your claims on SC increasing brainpower/intellect? Would love to read up on it.

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Paroxysm:

I have no idea of the exact link, however I read it on TL in the general forums quite some time ago (like, early 2011 if i recall correctly)

[crAzerk]

I'm also interested in these studies Paro

Also would be too strong to say 'proven', nothing is ever proven (besides mathematics).

[BaKaiNu]

The issue with taking statistics result from University SC2 clubs is that you're taking the results from a sample that already have high intellectual capability. Furthermore, there may be an existing correlation between people who play sc2 and their intellectual capability since sc2 require a high level of computational ability and skills, and people who don't have that don't make the cut would very likely to have left the sc2 scene. The best way to actually find out if there is an actual effect is to have a longitudinal study involving random sampling with two groups of people, one playing sc2 and one not, and see the results after several months.

If you let me know, I could discuss with my supervisor to do an honours project on sc2 and psychological growth. Especially if there is an interesting topic that you want me to do and that can be approved by the board of ethics as long as my supervisor agrees on it. :P

-Partially drunk Baka (Curse you freaky_beeky!).

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crAzerk:

My favourite paragraph of the year

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Statix

sorry havent read much of the posts but THERE is an SC2 course in a florida college. Some guy commented on it on a video.

Another proof poms are crazy ...

Originally Posted by Statix

Its not labelled as SC2 just analytical thinking in real world situations or something ill find link and edit

... And hypocrytes.

More seriously, I voted "no" because school has to give you general culture, formation for jobs with more demands on the market and learn you to make physical sport. Mens sana in corpore sano.

I strongly beleive though that some games in limited time are very good for developping intelligence and especially sharpness, strategic vision, multitask. Sarcraft is an excellent game and develop many qualities. That's why I tell my sons who only want to play City of Tempest to play half their "gaming time" on classic game instead to developp macro, multitask and strategy awarness.

But that's just not the role of school but the responsability of the famillies.

[Billy Stevens]

I see people trying to make the point that eSports is a sport
I also see people trying to say eSports does not belong in schools.
If eSports dont belong in schools. then why does sports belong in schools?

Sports dont serve any educational purpose, it doesnt help you solve maths problems, it doesnt help you write essays, it doesnt help you understand Shakespeare. it separates the physically inept from the rest of the classes. how much BO does a handful of highschool kids can produce after an hour out in the sun playing sport? how much deodorant do these kids put on to try cover it up? A Metric-Shit-Tonne. And both smell as equally as bad as each other.

these arent my personal views, just looking at things from the flipside for lols

[Statix]

but no physical education/excercise means health issues out of control, the global economy would love the rise in general health related issues when really all they needed to do to reduce this by mass is get kids to run around an hr a day

[AsylumofSouls]

Originally Posted by Statix

but no physical education/excercise means health issues out of control, the global economy would love the rise in general health related issues when really all they needed to do to reduce this by mass is get kids to run around an hr a day

An interesting counter argument but in my opinion, health issues seem to already be out of control and that seems to have happened since sports were introduced into schools' curriculum.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by AsylumofSouls

An interesting counter argument but in my opinion, health issues seem to already be out of control and that seems to have happened since sports were introduced into schools' curriculum.

And to add to this, no one is making it so that kids don't get any physical activity. It's not an alternative to physical education. There's no rule saying they need to have sc2 at home.Even if they spent all their free periods at school playing... what are they doing instead? Many people at my school would just read, do homework (probably so they had more time to play video games when they got home) or play computer games at school (age of empires II was the one we had installed)

We're talking about what, once a week for a couple of hours? This isn't going to be any worse for peoples' kids than the 3 burgers a week they eat from McDonalds

[LoRDo]

Originally Posted by breadfan

And to add to this, no one is making it so that kids don't get any physical activity. It's not an alternative to physical education. There's no rule saying they need to have sc2 at home.Even if they spent all their free periods at school playing... what are they doing instead? Many people at my school would just read, do homework (probably so they had more time to play video games when they got home) or play computer games at school (age of empires II was the one we had installed)

We're talking about what, once a week for a couple of hours? This isn't going to be any worse for peoples' kids than the 3 burgers a week they eat from McDonalds

How don't people understand this? You're exactly right breadfan!

[ToRVenom]

Could This Game Become a replacement for chess. Im not 100% sure if this would be possible. However i think it may appeal to children/teens better as it is a video game.