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ToRSmotPokingFish · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

The word is nerfed, yes, they were nerfed, the +dmg to psionic is to keep the current snipe relationship w/ infestors and ht the same, as the feedback/storm vs snipe/emp fights, as well as sniping infestors, are a big part of lategame tvp/tvz which blizzard obviously didn't want changed by reducing the overall dmg of snipe.

Also I'd bet all my battlenet accounts you still won't be able to snipe anything non-biological (including archons, lol).

Also, they still haven't changed archons size to fit through one hex gaps ={. It's a big ball of energy that can't fit through gaps that stalkers can T-T.

in all honesty i dont think the nerf was massively needed, terran needs APM to spam snipes, and with APM used on infestor/broodlord they could beat ghosts,

STATS:
Broodlord range: 9.5
Fungal range: 9
EDIT: Ghost Snipe range: 10

so even without an overseer, ghosts have to use cloak to start with to get in range of BL which removes 25 energy already, i dunno its too early to put together a good post need MOAR SLEEPS

NvPinder · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SmotPokingFish

in all honesty i dont think the nerf was massively needed, terran needs APM to spam snipes, and with APM used on infestor/broodlord they could beat ghosts,

STATS:
Broodlord range: 9.5
Fungal range: 9
Ghost range: 6

so even without an overseer, ghosts have to use cloak to start with to get in range of BL which removes 25 energy already, i dunno its too early to put together a good post need MOAR SLEEPS

dude... snipe range =/= ghost attack range...

Also, whilst it does need 'high apm' to spam snipe, i wouldn't considering holding shift and spamming click on one spot, then then the next spot, 5 times over with plenty of time to change between targets without it being inefficient an even remotely mechanically demanding task compared to things like marine splitting, FF+Storm combos, ling+bling+muta flanks, etc.

ToRSmotPokingFish · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

dude... snipe range =/= ghost attack range...

Also, whilst it does need 'high apm' to spam snipe, i wouldn't considering holding shift and spamming click on one spot, then then the next spot, 5 times over with plenty of time to change between targets without it being inefficient an even remotely mechanically demanding task compared to things like marine splitting, FF+Storm combos, ling+bling+muta flanks, etc.

Snipe range, my bad i must go wake up

true there are other things which are more demanding but if it that hard to just fungal (F?) and then have BL kill the ghosts?

dippa · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

dude... snipe range =/= ghost attack range...

Also, whilst it does need 'high apm' to spam snipe, i wouldn't considering holding shift and spamming click on one spot, then then the next spot, 5 times over with plenty of time to change between targets without it being inefficient an even remotely mechanically demanding task compared to things like marine splitting, FF+Storm combos, ling+bling+muta flanks, etc.

and let's not get into this mwheel trick that's just become public over the last few days -,-

also, infestors apparently have 90hp. my bad. no wonder i'm shit at the game ~_~

TAEdarus · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SmotPokingFish

in all honesty i dont think the nerf was massively needed, terran needs APM to spam snipes, and with APM used on infestor/broodlord they could beat ghosts.

I think it was dippa who said it earlier, but take a look at the scroll-wheel method for snipes

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Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Also, whilst it does need 'high apm' to spam snipe, i wouldn't considering holding shift and spamming click on one spot, then then the next spot, 5 times over with plenty of time to change between targets without it being inefficient an even remotely mechanically demanding task compared to things like marine splitting, FF+Storm combos, ling+bling+muta flanks, etc.

I don' think shift-sniping works properly anyways? Something to do with the cooldown timer on the ghosts?
I think if you have more than one selected they'll each fire off one but then wont fire another until their auto-attack command completes (they kill what they sniped at)?

Phoenix buff extremely interesting and I can see this being utilised, but how often and in what situations? Having that extra 2 range is useful for more than just mutas

x5.Revenant · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SmotPokingFish

time to make heads spin with some stats?

Before Patch:
Queen: 4snipes
Infestor: 2snipes
HT: 2snipes
DT: 3snipes
Ghost: 3snipes

After Patch:
Queen: 4snipes
Infestor: 2snipes
HT: 2snipes
DT: 3snipes
Ghost: 2snipes

so effectively, ghosts are just nerfed?

and archons are also psionic, hopefully this means snipe can hit biological and psionic (incl. non biological), if so i wont be so angry

EDIT: thx Dj added ghosts, if i missed anything else let me know

Edit: Sorry I'm blind

ToRSmotPokingFish · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Revenant

Didn't really read the other posts, but Queens are Psionic too =]

queens are in there...

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x5.Revenant:

Here, have a rep, for using the quote used on Terran, for Protoss :P

x5.Revenant · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SmotPokingFish

queens are in there...

Oppsie, didn't see the Psionic/Queen tag. My bad~

Flamga · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:06 AM

That phoenix buff is pretty big. It goes from phoenix if microed properly killing muta, to having them constantly outrange them. I suppose I will see how it works out but I think this will kill muta play outright, assuming that protoss use the upgrade.

At least its on the fleet beacon so is not an easy to get one :/

dippa · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:08 AM

ghosts needed 3 snipes to kill infestors pre-patch (Infestors had 100hp, snipe did 45 dmg)

ToRSmotPokingFish · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dippa

ghosts needed 3 snipes to kill infestors pre-patch (Infestors had 100hp, snipe did 45 dmg)

liquipedia is lying to me? :O

fur · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:12 AM

I really feel like I'm playing the clock whenever I am up against a Protoss.

I'm hoping that TvZ doesn't start to feel the same way but this is going to make life late game a lot harder.

Can't wait for HotS. I would really

some tier 3.

ToRSmotPokingFish · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fur

I really feel like I'm playing the clock whenever I am up against a Protoss.

I'm hoping that TvZ doesn't start to feel the same way but this is going to make life late game a lot harder.

Can't wait for HotS. I would really

some tier 3.

Marine/SCV all in all day

fur · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:20 AM

http://www.twitch.tv/avilo/b/308157534

Avilo ranting about the latest changes. For those who

a good rage.

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	x5.Revenant:	i lol'ed.
	ToRCrispy:	is he 10?

**Dox** · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fur

http://www.twitch.tv/avilo/b/308157534

Avilo ranting about the latest changes. For those who

a good rage.

Is that guy retarded, hahahaha.

ROOT`iaguz · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dox

Is that guy retarded, hahahaha.

Yes. He was ******* retarded in RA3 and he's ******* retarded now.

Anyway about the changes...

Gold bases are still kinda dumb but I like the mule change. Mules on gold bases are imbalanced. No one can argue this intelligently. GSL got rid of gold bases recently and we still got 3 terrans in the RO8 so I think we're doing pretty good.

Snipe change is kinda frustrating but understandable. Also makes me feel a lot better about using the scroll wheel trick for snipes (with 10 ******* snipes to kill a broodlord now you kinda have to!)

Don't really care about phoenixes, you never see fleet beacons in PvT anyway (and if you do the Terran is probably dead anyway)

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Peleus:

Great reply

mGGDrGooSe · Sat, 11th-Feb-2012, 8:25 AM

Ooo, message box change :P. So assuming someone goes FFE, 1gate, 1-2stargate type opening, at what time would we reasonably expect the beacon to go down? I'm trying to imagine how long you can stay on muta before they become useless. I'm thinking that now it would be a case of 10-12 mutas to open and then into a non-muta type situation.

I guess once that upgrade finishes any mutas you have on the field will become effectively the equivalent of expensive hydras (seeing as you would have to keep them with your army or at home to keep them alive). So the key would be to stop the upgrade in the first place? If they rush for it on two base then hopefully we can just roll them with a ground army, or if they go for it late, then we get a little more out of our original ball, but would be a big risk to try and mass muta.

Hmm, also thinking about the fact that now they only have 1 less range than spore crawlers, making it a bit more important to ensure they are placed correctly against pheonix harass. Probably a minor point.

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