[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by RamboLicious

yes, but the only replay I can get so far is the one he (P) was playing with pokerface(Z), in a game where he went for FFE and scouted pokerface went for fast lings. He then get 6 cannons blindly to defend pokerface's Roach Lings bust.

While I agree on a one off basis that game could be written off as being "overly safe" the overwhelming support for his blink stalker hack would mean that on a whole this overly safe behaviour is probably hacking.

[PiG]

I completely understand where rambolicious is coming from. Unfortunately i lost most of the reps vs sequoia so this is all I can offer: http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=657

Can't tell if he's blink hacking because of the surround but if you care to you can check for where his eyes are on the map etc.

Edit: Someone watched the rep and informed me 2000 apm during the battle and stalkers unselected. Definite hacker Sequoia

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RamboLicious:

thanks man :)

[ROOT`iaguz]

He never hits 2000 apm in that replay (that was ninja talking about a game on Korea against a roach burrow micro hacker or some shit), it 'only' hits 700.

But seriously, ignoring the fact that the way he blinks his stalkers is really weird, if you watch the replay from his point of view it's so obvious he's cheating. The big engagement at like 11 minutes, watch Sequoia-vision. He has only his sentries on hotkeys, his stalkers are not hotkeyed (perhaps for this program to work he has to have them not selected or smth), he sits there very slowly setting up Forcefields whilst stalkers WHICH HE DOES NOT SELECT are blinking every which way.

Obvious cheater.

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	Flamga:	the man has spoken
	RamboLicious:

[CHoBo(kice)]

how does his apm average like 60 then? strange...

look into fog of war is no uncommon though, I do it sometimes at my enemys base to try and remember how many gates etc when I scouted.

[pRoTimber]

and also i uploaded 3 replays, why nobody care about the other toss named "ghost" - -

[nirvAnA]

This thread has already done well, hackers have been outed, prevented (extremely unlikely for him to attempt to hack again), discouraged (of other potential hackers tempted because of what happened here) and punished. Moving on from the evets case, lets focus our efforts on catching the other hackers out there, there are still quite a few in our midst.

I don't know how this post was overlooked.

Originally Posted by pRoTimber

and also i uploaded 3 replays, why nobody care about the other toss named "ghost" - -

http://www.sc2sea.com/attachment.php...2&d=1325108997
http://www.sc2sea.com/attachment.php...3&d=1325109007
http://www.sc2sea.com/attachment.php...4&d=1325109017

I believe the most incriminating replay shows the protoss going nexus first on TDA with 0 scouting, then pulling back all his probes and units to his main base at the sight of just 2 marines (if you use his camera vision). Timber went for an all in and denied all scouting, so the logical explanation of his actions is he saw a trail of dots on the minimap that alerted him, which was not have been possible as he had no vision at all. Before this game timber played like 5 games with him all very suspicious.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

This thread has already done well, hackers have been outed, prevented (extremely unlikely for him to attempt to hack again), discouraged (of other potential hackers tempted because of what happened here) and punished. Moving on from the evets case, lets focus our efforts on catching the other hackers out there, there are still quite a few in our midst.

I don't know how this post was overlooked.

I believe the most incriminating replay shows the protoss going nexus first on TDA with 0 scouting, then pulling back all his probes and units to his main base at the sight of just 2 marines (if you use his camera vision). Timber went for an all in and denied all scouting, so the logical explanation of his actions is he saw a trail of dots on the minimap that alerted him, which was not have been possible as he had no vision at all. Before this game timber played like 5 games with him all very suspicious.

pRoTimber vs Ghost

League :
Map : Tel'Darim Altar
Length : 9min43
Version 1.4.2

Replay Analysis

• 7:03 : Ghost see a bunch of marines coming before backing his Stalkers and his probes. That last move is only explicable if he has seen the SCV coming too behind. He had not.

• He didn't knew from Timber base that All-in was coming. He didn't poked with 1 or 2 stalkers are good often do. Not conclusive in itself but makes things even more suspect in this case.

My own conclusion (and it's only an opinion)

• For me this Replay is suspision of Map Hacking. It can be explained if Timber was known by Ghost to do that 50% of the time in this situation. That I can't say, that's our top tier players that can and Ghost himself.
• No Poke: I guess you can be afraid of Concusive Shell in that timing and that might have prevented him for poking. But not at least puting one stalker on the Xel'Naga ? Weird.

I will distinguish "suspicion" as something suspect, and the definition Apth gave me:

Apth: @Nemo - evidence isn't necessarily conclusive, whereas proof is usually considered to be

I will go on on other replay when I can. Tonight or tomorrow.

Edit : Lowered to "Suspicion" following Erasmus remark. I think I have never witnessed such think myself though.

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nirvAnA:

[rizE]

ban hackers

[crAzerk]

Whew, was hoping for nirvana to make the post he did sooner to stop the random negativity going on.

Originally Posted by rizE

ban hackers

You trying to get your post count up or something? Odd 1 phrase posts.

Originally Posted by pRoTimBer

and also i uploaded 3 replays, why nobody care about the other toss named "ghost" - -

I think your post was missed amidst the bigger controversy about evetS. Also, you didn't include any analysis in your post besides just uploading 3 replays. Could you point out in at least 1-2 of them WHEN and WHERE are the times which show that he's hacking?

(pRoTimber's post)

[crAzerk]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I don't know how this post was overlooked.

I didn't.

If you're lazy to click,

Originally Posted by crAzerk

(addressing proTimBer) I think your post was missed amidst the bigger controversy about evetS. Also, you didn't include any analysis in your post besides just uploading 3 replays. Could you point out in at least 1-2 of them WHEN and WHERE are the times which show that he's hacking?

[Seq]

Hi all,

I am the owner of this account. This account password was shared to many poor players so they can practice or join our local private tournaments on SEA servers. The original purpose was to spread e-sport in my local community.

Due to my busy life, I have not checking all my public SC2 accounts (I have many). Apparently one player from US server decided that he wants to taste the feeling of being a GM on SEA so he laddered like a mad man (you can check the match history mostly being played in US timezone). At the end he was actually promoted to GM this week.

I am currently on my holiday vacation so I have not checked any replay. If he is really hacking. I apologize for all the troubles caused. He not only tainted my username but also caused many troubles and outrages among my local community and SC2SEA community. At the moment I will change the password of this account so nobody will have the access for now.

Once again, sorry to all. I will accept any action from Blizzard for this account.
Seq

*edit* P.S. I am on holiday vacation so if you have any question in this topic please understand that I can not address all in time.

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	nirvAnA:	ty for the clarification Seq, yes his playing times are US for sure.
	TAEdgE:
	asdfSchnitzel:
	sRFullstop:
	Rage:	Now that you mention it, the playtimes are definitely US-based. That clarifies a lot. Clear the man's name!
	Bash:
	EveMassacrisM:	What a retarded f***! Thanks for the clarification.
	Neoneoz:
	ToRSpartaz:	TGUN TOLD ME TO0'
	SLCN.NXZ:	tgun made me do it?
	AxS.Sorathez:

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Seq

Hi all,

I am the owner of this account. This account password was shared to many poor players so they can practice or join our local private tournaments on SEA servers. The original purpose was to spread e-sport in my local community.

Due to my busy life, I have not checking all my public SC2 accounts (I have many). Apparently one player from US server decided that he wants to taste the feeling of being a GM on SEA so he laddered like a mad man (you can check the match history mostly being played in US timezone). At the end he was actually promoted to GM this week.

I am currently on my holiday vacation so I have not checked any replay. If he is really hacking. I apologize for all the troubles caused. He not only tainted my username but also caused many troubles and outrages among my local community and SC2SEA community. At the moment I will change the password of this account so nobody will have the access for now.

Once again, sorry to all. I will accept any action from Blizzard for this account.
Seq

*edit* P.S. I am on holiday vacation so if you have any question in this topic please understand that I can not address all in time.

Holy shit rep this post, give me back my rep powers so I can rep him. REP HIM NOW.

[nirvAnA]

Thanks for the post to clarify Seq.

Would need alot more evidence then that, including links to viet forums about the account sharing etc, screenshots of him being giving an account through correspondence etc.

I can vouch for him playing at US times, just the other night he played timber from about 2am-6am SGT. And obviously your story makes sense because you play Zerg. Lastly, I like how you said you will accept the responsibility for the account.

[RamboLicious]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Thanks for the post to clarify Seq.

Would need alot more evidence then that, including links to viet forums about the account sharing etc, screenshots of him being giving an account through correspondence etc.

I can vouch for him playing at US times, just the other night he played timber from about 2am-6am SGT. And obviously your story makes sense because you play Zerg. Lastly, I like how you said you will accept the responsibility for the account.

Hi Brian, I can confirm this.

1) It's not Seq who played the account Sequoia
(yes, Sequoia is another Seq's account which was used to be shared for a US player.)

2) There's no official forum / thread / post about the sharing, it's quite personal for Seq, but many of us knows that. Several Vietnamese US players can confirm that as well.

3) This is a shame, as the cheater is Vietnamese. (You can see my previous posts in this thread for the confirmation etc...)
However, he's living in the US, and doesn't really involve in the Vietnamese StarCraft 2 Community at all.
He might played in one of the tournament long ago hosted by Seq though, other than that, nothing else.

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nirvAnA:

ty rambo. any screenshots of emails etc would help

[TAEdgE]

Yeh I can confirm nirvAnA and Timber played him then, I was on for them querying about him.

[crAzerk]

I'm not entirely sure what Bliz's stand about account sharing is, I know in WoW it was deemed illegal but not sure about SC2.

Could I then suggest that such screenshots and emails be sent to nirvAnA instead of posting publicly?
I'm not sure what the stance will be now on this acct from our side, but personally I feel if Seq is telling the truth then we don't really want him(his own acct that's not shared, I suppose) to get into trouble for account-sharing do we?

[Rage]

@nirvana - it might be worth adding a clarification under Seq's name in the OP to note the updated circumstances - not necessarily to clear him but just to say that the forum Seq was possibly not the one playing.

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nirvAnA:

good idea!

[crAzerk]

@Rage Thanks, added that note. His account still remains in the 'confirmed hacker' list, for obvious reasons. Will see what nirvAnA says about it

[Peleus]

Seq - if what you say is true can I suggest to make partial amends to the damage done to the account you hold you go and lose a heap of games reducing the MMR to bronze then leave it inactive to get it booted from GM.

It would also be appreciated if you never give access to whatever person it was cheating on it again. Just my opinion.

[Volition]

Hey guys, i just had a game and i wanted a second opinion as to whether i should be suspicious about this replay.

http://drop.sc/82473

As a bit of background, i usually get on NA to play a practice game or two before laddering on sea. it is only gold plat level so please excuse the bad macro and play in general. i do make a massive mistake near the end of the game, and what should be a smooth move turns into something even a mother couldn't love. As for what i find suspicious:-

1) firstly (and possibly the least convincing) is his build. When I saw that he was going 1 base colossus vs my 1 rax expand, i went "this might actually kill me" I cant think of a better 1 base build to beat this. yes his macro sucks, yes he should drop more gates. but attacking with a single stalker at a time when i am vulnerable? not zealot stalker pressure, just a stalker. at this stage i wasnt really suspicious.

2) 13:02-13:07 - is it just me or is his vision following my medivacs out of my base?

3) 14 mins onwards - about here, my build and macro got all manner of screwed and my hotkeys got into a mess. but right after i load medivacs he moves stalkers into position? i went, yeah ok, a drop is pretty likely there. but then i thought about it, and looked at his vision. he has NFI where i am. why is his observer not hunting after me?

but then he moves his whole army up there leaving his natural just completely exposed?

14:35 i move my army (and the few scvs that somehow got in that control group) to get in position near his natural. as he starts moving his whole army back to his natural?

then i happen to screw up my control groups again, move my main army to the wrong spot. i admit yes, he did get vision of my medivacs. but his whole army moves back to get the drop.

Overall, this was a terrible game by me. But i just thought it was suspicious and wanted to ask my peers whether they thought there was anything here. I dont want to accuse someone unnecessarily, but the massive control mistakes i made at the end of the game sorta highlighted it a touch more i thought. Thanks