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Nobunaga · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 8:24 AM

Quake Live, CS 1.6 > Reach and Source. Source isn't even legitimately competitive.

Bugalugs McScruffin · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 8:28 AM

Haha. I don't follow the scene much, so I don't know whether they are considered competitive or not. I was just saying that Reach and Source have the chance to be considered competitive, where as BF3 and CoD do not.

Quake Live is just Quake 3: Arena running in a browser, right? Or have a I missed something?

My point still remains. CS 1.6 is 8 years old. Quake Live is based on an 11-year-old game. Where are the current games that are going to take their place?

**iMSystem** · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 8:28 AM

Never played cod 2?
That was the sickest competitive game, and the best Cod game out still to date

Bugalugs McScruffin · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 8:31 AM

Haha, CoD 2 was fun, though it had died by the time I had it and Live, so...

Nobunaga · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 8:43 AM

I heard CoD 4 is still played as well.

Bugalugs McScruffin · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nobunaga

I heard CoD 4 is still played as well.

CoD 4 fails the same competitive games test that the CoD game after it does. Funnily enough CoD 2 doesn't.

Nobunaga · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 9:37 AM

CoD 4 has dedicated so everything can be unlocked.

Bugalugs McScruffin · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 9:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nobunaga

CoD 4 has dedicated so everything can be unlocked.

And boom CoD 4 is a competitive game. I wondered if this was the case. What about MW3?

Nobunaga · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugalugs McScruffin

And boom CoD 4 is a competitive game. I wondered if this was the case. What about MW3?

MW3 has unranked dedicated servers, which is enough for a competitive scene.

Bugalugs McScruffin · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nobunaga

MW3 has unranked dedicated servers, which is enough for a competitive scene.

A game doesn't have to be strictly competitive to develop a competitive scene. Just look at Smash Bros.

If you can not unlock all gear using a dedicated server in MW3 (I'm assuming you can, since you could in MW1) then it would fail the test of a strictly competitive game.

Nobunaga · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugalugs McScruffin

A game doesn't have to be strictly competitive to develop a competitive scene. Just look at Smash Bros.

If you can not unlock all gear using a dedicated server in MW3 (I'm assuming you can, since you could in MW1) then it would fail the test of a strictly competitive game.

It's arguable that any game game can be considered competitive.

WoW PVP is competitive (even though I do not agree), and that has item restrictions.

**iMSystem** · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nobunaga

CoD 4 has dedicated so everything can be unlocked.

Not to mention weapon balances and a whole shit ton of stuff that makes games competitive.

Benji · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 10:54 AM

From my point of view, I just love it because I can grab a few friends, join a game quickly and have some fun. Not everything needs to be 100% serious :P

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Bugalugs McScruffin:

Benji wins the thread!!! You don't have to play competitively. :D

Bugalugs McScruffin · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 11:31 AM

Strict competition assumes a fair playing field. If you have unlocks the playing field is inherently unfair. Therefore, in the strictest sense some games can not be considered competitive games. Doesn't mean they can't develop a competitive scene, but they've already got a strike against them from a design perspective.

Meatex · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 11:37 AM

everyone is assuming any pro player isn't going to have everything unlocked by the time they go into any competitive match
This is also ignoring the fact that you can create custom games with whatever weapons you choose whether or not you've unlocked them in most (i believe all) of those style of games.

TcaTX · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 11:46 AM

Well... I am part of a still thriving Cod4 clan. Most of us are mature age players and even have some members that are 60+

CoD in generall is no where near as competitive as Sc2 in the Global sense, but it is still competitive. Our clan competes in scrims on the cybergamer ladder still these days and alot of other clans still do too! Cod 4 ain't dead, and it can be competitive. TBH I thought this thread would be about members thoughts on the game, not a debate about the competitive side of it =/.

I enjoy Mw3, but am disappointed by the p2p matchmaking and while dedicated servers are in, they are unranked! Must admit while most maps are hard to snipe on, the sniping is quite fun and its good Qucik scopes are back after the terrible disaster of Black ops! The ump45 is back from Mw2 and is still fairly boss, while the spas 12 shotty (

's me shotty) is a let down (Sandy Ravage's absolute pwnage with it probably caused it >.<), but hopefully the model 1887 is still good and akimbo ready!

Meatex · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 11:47 AM

shotguns are heaps good
especially on maps like hard hat

Nobunaga · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 11:57 AM

Akimbo FMG9s are the new shotguns.

Benji · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 12:02 PM

I'm still using my M16A4 after falling in love with it in MW2 (with stopping power :O) but theres no more stopping power, so its no longer a 1 burst kill

Bugalugs McScruffin · Fri, 11th-Nov-2011, 12:03 PM

I want my G36C back.