[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

ill admit its kinda hard to pick the probe up because its for like a split second... but yeah as odds said there's no reason for a probe to be there at that time and that position unless its a proxy.

i think pickle has a point as well... as i said i know it was pretty hard to see in the replay... but overall it feels like players are getting caught up in trying to find/catch said players instead of trying to prove that they're not.

... thats the game camera not his player camera. His player camera is looking at his nexus and i dont belive he even hotkeys his scout or looks at it at all.

that image therefore means nothing.

[Snx.FigJig]

Originally Posted by Nemo

That people post replays when they have legitimate doubt is a very good thing. We want a server free of hackers and what they do is good because none want to be on the hacker list.

There has been 1 hacker identified in April and a confirmed one. 2 hackers a day and Spoon is a sore looser ?

Or do you imply that the guys that have been put on the list in the OP were not hackers ? If so, can you back your words with some solid arguments based on a close analysis of their replays ?

I didn't mean that there have been that many confirmed hackers, but that many being accused of hacking. I also looked at Wallace's rep and made a post about it. Don't need to be so defensive, I'm not having a go at you.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

ROFL . he doesnt even look at the probe, look from his player camera. He doesnt look at the probe at all until it reaches his gateway.

Also, if he believed it was a weird angle he would have moved his probe in that direction to confirm it.

its starting to sound like you're just mad from losing... and i know people will say im just trying to defend my teammate but i'd love to know besides a proxy 2 gate why else you'd have a probe there at that time?

also... there is a minimap.

edit. in reply to your reply to my post... players can see things on the mini map >_>

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

its starting to sound like you're just mad from losing... and i know people will say im just trying to defend my teammate but i'd love to know besides a proxy 2 gate why else you'd have a probe there at that time?

also... there is a minimap.

to scout, it's not that much of a crazy angle if he is only looking at the minimap.

Also, anyone saying he aimed to 2 gate as a normal build in his own base is either trolling or never watched a PvP before.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

to scout, it's not that much of a crazy angle if he is only looking at the minimap.

Also, anyone saying he aimed to 2 gate as a normal build in his own base is either trolling or never watched a PvP before.

wut?

he scouts your probe at his base at like 1.50 game time (seems pretty early)... coming from an angle where proxy 2 gates usually are.

how does it not look like you're proxying?

regardless since im not as knowledgeable pvp plus he's my teammate id' rather a 3rd party protoss what he thinks xD

[Odds]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

ROFL . he doesnt even look at the probe, look from his player camera. He doesnt look at the probe at all until it reaches his gateway.

Also, if he believed it was a weird angle he would have moved his probe in that direction to confirm it.

I don't understand why you're being so rude. I'm simply stating that he had adequate information to justify throwing down the second gateway, it was in no way done "blindly". Secondly, he confirmed the proxy by going to your base and seeing the low probe count. I know that if I was in that situation I'd not have checked as the proxy gates could have been in a numerous amount of locations and scouting the main would yield much more profitable information.

I'm simply giving my take on the replay, and you were asking for other people's thoughts. If you just laugh off every post that doesn't agree with your assessment you're clearly not in the right state of mind to be making accusations.

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[x5.Phoenix]

If his nexus was centered on his screen and it is not on the minimap I doubt he saw the probe to be honest.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by PurePhoenix

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/minimapv.jpg/

If his nexus was centered on his screen and it is not on the minimap I doubt he saw the probe to be honest.

you are aware players can look at their mini maps regardless of whats on the main screen?

& you doubt he saw the probe? god forbid he must be hacking haha.

i apologise, but you guys are basing your whole accusation on the fact that 'you doubt he saw the probe'... seems pretty inconclusive to me.

as i said... we'll just ask wallace next time he's on... for all we know he could of been hacking, but there's no way you could prove it from that replay.

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TCPLemminks:

Didn't you guys kick him off your clan for the last incident?

[Peleus]

If there is debate about the replay it's clearly inconclusive and we need to see more examples before we judge people. There is little value in going 12 rounds over something that neither side is likely to be convinced about.

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[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

you are aware players can look at their mini maps regardless of whats on the main screen?

& you doubt he saw the probe? god forbid he must be hacking haha.

i apologise, but you guys are basing your whole accusation on the fact that 'you doubt he saw the probe'... seems pretty inconclusive to me.

as i said... we'll just ask wallace next time he's on... for all we know he could of been hacking, but there's no way you could prove it from that replay.

U do realise that the probe doesnt even appear on his minimap.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

U do realise that the probe doesnt even appear on his minimap.

o.O

did you not look at my img? it does haha... watch in normal speed or something.

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[Bloodmyst]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

U do realise that the probe doesnt even appear on his minimap.

No offense, but you do sound a bit ill hearted about this. Have you tried going over the replay with the mindset of trying to prove he isn't cheating? Seems to me you only have one thing in mind.

[x5.Phoenix]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

you are aware players can look at their mini maps regardless of whats on the main screen?

& you doubt he saw the probe? god forbid he must be hacking haha.

i apologise, but you guys are basing your whole accusation on the fact that 'you doubt he saw the probe'... seems pretty inconclusive to me.

as i said... we'll just ask wallace next time he's on... for all we know he could of been hacking, but there's no way you could prove it from that replay.

Well if he didn't see the probe tell me another reason a level Protoss player would through down two gateways without a decent reason? It is not really a valid build order or option and is not even an effective cheese because it wasn't proxied. My reference to the probe was only me suggesting little reason for the double gateways, please don't take it the wrong way.

Yeah fair enough but I highly doubt if he is hacking that he would be like "these guys are my friends, they're like family to me, I can't lie about hacking" and be completely honest..

Just a thought

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holy ******* shit. he saw the probe, get over it

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by PurePhoenix

Well if he didn't see the probe tell me another reason a level Protoss player would through down two gateways without a decent reason? It is not really a valid build order or option and is not even an effective cheese because it wasn't proxied. My reference to the probe was only me suggesting little reason for the double gateways, please don't take it the wrong way.

Yeah fair enough but I highly doubt if he is hacking that he would be like "these guys are my friends, they're like family to me, I can't lie about hacking" and be completely honest..

Just a thought

once again you're basing everything off the chance he didn't see the probe, which we have no idea whether he did or not. would become the most pointless discussion.

anyways im done here, we're not getting anywhere and won't get anywhere till we talk to wallace about it.

[x5.Phoenix]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

once again you're basing everything off the chance he didn't see the probe, which we have no idea whether he did or not. would become the most pointless discussion.

anyways im done here, we're not getting anywhere and won't get anywhere till we talk to wallace about it.

Isn't your whole argument based on the fact that he MIGHT have seen the probe in that half a second or whatever it was?

Also don't disregard what I said before, he probably won't confess to you guys if he was hacking, which I am not saying he is. Just saying based on what I have seen it seems suspicious. That's all I've been trying to say, not trying to upset anyone!

[Nemo]

His actions are very suspicious. Even if he has seen that probe coming from there, the normal action would have been to check that zone to be sure and not let his probe go to opponent base.

But, it's a bit too short to put him on the list, we can't be 100% sure. Though we definitly need to scrutiny his games closelly and watch any replay that we could have from him.

Saying Notorious is accusing Wallace because he lost is nonsence because that game is very suscpiscious and he was absolutly right to post it.

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x5.NotoriouS:

thankyou

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by PurePhoenix

Isn't your whole argument based on the fact that he MIGHT have seen the probe in that half a second or whatever it was?

Also don't disregard what I said before, he probably won't confess to you guys if he was hacking, which I am not saying he is. Just saying based on what I have seen it seems suspicious. That's all I've been trying to say, not trying to upset anyone!

my point is that its impossible to tell if he's hacking or not because there is a chance he saw the probe >_>

um... i was of the opinion that it was pretty obviously suspicious, otherwise it wouldn't of been posted lol.

of course a hacker isn't going to say 'yes im hacking' if we just ask them... all i said was or meant to say is that ill get wallace's opinion on the game and situation and get him to post here.

[Chappo]

Personally I think the three obvious choices are:
He was hacking
He is the next GSL champion (With spotting that probe on the minimap and figuring out it was a 2gate - even though I would think forge would have been a better response.)
He was doing a horrible build. (2gate...not proxied...instantly scouted...is not the best build in the world.)

Again, personally while I think the replay certainly isn't concrete proof, I do think that hacking is the most likely option. Nevertheless, it isn't completely conclusive and hopefully nobody is arguing that.

Standard and Domo will be talking to Wallace to get his side to the story. But I just want to say thanks to all the geniuses who have pointed out if he was hacking that he probably won't confess, I've written that down on a brick and plan to smack myself in the face with it during the discussion with Wallace so I won't forget...because I have the naivety of a 12 year old and don't recognize the painfully obvious.

Good talk

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	x5.NotoriouS:	well said!
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[PiG]

Mufasa. You're not reading people's posts properly. If you're going to keep posting here and defending your clanmate please relax and take a bit more time to read.

The point made by PurePheonix is that the probe never showed up on the minimap. You tried to discredit this claim by showing a screenshot of that same moment where the probe also doesn't appear to show up on the minimap. Not sure what point you're trying to make? You realise whether it showed on-screen to his (accused) probe makes no difference as his cam was supposedly centred on his nexus at the time. That's something you can confirm in a replay.

Now as for defending friends. Take advice from someone who's been in your shoes, there is no consensus on whether he was hacking or not yet. You have a biased opinion due to him being your clanmate and there's no way you can make a fair assessment of the situation. I remember feeling like the evidence against my mate was far from concrete until he admitted it and i watched the replay again.

Chill out and hats off to you for standing up for your friend mate

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Snx.Mufasa:

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by PiG

wall

oh didn't realise pure was saying that because... the reason i saw the probe was because it showed up on the mini map.

though ill double check that it did.

thanks for the advice though

^__^

edit. i double checked and it does come up on the mini map but as chappo pointed out he's either potentially the next gsl champ or just incredibly lucky to see it.

im as suspicious as you guys are... just feel i got a responsibility to be on wallace's side till nemo deems him a hacker.

also, apologies to anyone where i may of been overly defensive : )

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