[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

sigh... wallace is apart of invision so we'll try help out as much as possible.

in saying that though i watched the replay and besides hard countering your build it doesn't really look like he was hacking.

a toss will probs have to tell me about the viability of going double gate that's not proxied but i know of players that do it.

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

sigh... wallace is apart of invision so we'll try help out as much as possible.

in saying that though i watched the replay and besides hard countering your build it doesn't really look like he was hacking.

a toss will probs have to tell me about the viability of going double gate that's not proxied but i know of players that do it.

its not viable to go double gate not proxied~ i just wonder why all of a sudden he cancels his probe and builds a second gate without seeing anyhting.

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	Snx.Mufasa:	dw... we'll talk to wallace tomorrow and get it sorted : )
	cruxSpoon:	probably cause he messed up his build order, or decided to go 2 gate and built one prob too many

[Snx.FigJig]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

Don't think he was hacking, he never looked into the fog of war where your gates were. Also to hard counter a proxy 2 gate from what I've heard, the defending Protoss usually gets 3 gates, not 2. Was odd but not conclusive enough to say he was hacking imo.

Also I think SEA has gone a bit crazy with accusing people of map hacking lately. There seems to be like 2 or more new 'hackers' a day. I think people are just getting upset at losing, then they come here and say they're hacking to punish them for winning. Just my 2 cents.

[Nemo]

That people post replays when they have legitimate doubt is a very good thing. We want a server free of hackers and what they do is good because none want to be on the hacker list.

Originally Posted by nRvPickleWeasel

Also I think SEA has gone a bit crazy with accusing people of map hacking lately. There seems to be like 2 or more new 'hackers' a day. I think people are just getting upset at losing, then they come here and say they're hacking to punish them for winning. Just my 2 cents.

There has been 1 hacker identified in April and a confirmed one. 2 hackers a day and Spoon is a sore looser ?

Or do you imply that the guys that have been put on the list in the OP were not hackers ? If so, can you back your words with some solid arguments based on a close analysis of their replays ?

[Snx.FigJig]

Originally Posted by Nemo

That people post replays when they have legitimate doubt is a very good thing. We want a server free of hackers and what they do is good because none want to be on the hacker list.

There has been 1 hacker identified in April and a confirmed one. 2 hackers a day and Spoon is a sore looser ?

Or do you imply that the guys that have been put on the list in the OP were not hackers ? If so, can you back your words with some solid arguments based on a close analysis of their replays ?

I didn't mean that there have been that many confirmed hackers, but that many being accused of hacking. I also looked at Wallace's rep and made a post about it. Don't need to be so defensive, I'm not having a go at you.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

Video
http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/317029097

Replay Analysis
Blind 2 gates in his own base without seeing anything on the map and enemy base. It's very suspicious because as Notorious says, that's not a usual build in PvP if not proxyed. At the contrary, it's the perfect counter to the unscouted proxy 2 gates Notorious was doing.

Conclusion
It's not enough conclusive for such a serious decision to put him on suspected list yet on one game but please send other replays, I'm pretty sure if he's a hacker we could see it on longer games.

[Odds]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

When his scouting probe left his base he saw your probe coming in from an abnormal angle. There is no reason for your probe to take that scouting path unless you're up to something strange, in response to this he threw down the second gate.

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ThatGuyDoMo:

the logix

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by Odds

When his scouting probe left his base he saw your probe coming in from an abnormal angle. There is no reason for your probe to take that scouting path unless you're up to something strange, in response to this he threw down the second gate.

ROFL . he doesnt even look at the probe, look from his player camera. He doesnt look at the probe at all until it reaches his gateway.

Also, if he believed it was a weird angle he would have moved his probe in that direction to confirm it.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

ROFL . he doesnt even look at the probe, look from his player camera. He doesnt look at the probe at all until it reaches his gateway.

Also, if he believed it was a weird angle he would have moved his probe in that direction to confirm it.

its starting to sound like you're just mad from losing... and i know people will say im just trying to defend my teammate but i'd love to know besides a proxy 2 gate why else you'd have a probe there at that time?

also... there is a minimap.

edit. in reply to your reply to my post... players can see things on the mini map >_>

[Odds]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

ROFL . he doesnt even look at the probe, look from his player camera. He doesnt look at the probe at all until it reaches his gateway.

Also, if he believed it was a weird angle he would have moved his probe in that direction to confirm it.

I don't understand why you're being so rude. I'm simply stating that he had adequate information to justify throwing down the second gateway, it was in no way done "blindly". Secondly, he confirmed the proxy by going to your base and seeing the low probe count. I know that if I was in that situation I'd not have checked as the proxy gates could have been in a numerous amount of locations and scouting the main would yield much more profitable information.

I'm simply giving my take on the replay, and you were asking for other people's thoughts. If you just laugh off every post that doesn't agree with your assessment you're clearly not in the right state of mind to be making accusations.

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Doves:

[IrisFlaunt]

Eveni is a maphacker! This is ridiculous !!!

[Snx.Mufasa]

ill admit its kinda hard to pick the probe up because its for like a split second... but yeah as odds said there's no reason for a probe to be there at that time and that position unless its a proxy.

i think pickle has a point as well... as i said i know it was pretty hard to see in the replay... but overall it feels like players are getting caught up in trying to find/catch said players instead of trying to prove that they're not.

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

ill admit its kinda hard to pick the probe up because its for like a split second... but yeah as odds said there's no reason for a probe to be there at that time and that position unless its a proxy.

i think pickle has a point as well... as i said i know it was pretty hard to see in the replay... but overall it feels like players are getting caught up in trying to find/catch said players instead of trying to prove that they're not.

... thats the game camera not his player camera. His player camera is looking at his nexus and i dont belive he even hotkeys his scout or looks at it at all.

that image therefore means nothing.

[x5.Phoenix]

If his nexus was centered on his screen and it is not on the minimap I doubt he saw the probe to be honest.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by PurePhoenix

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/minimapv.jpg/

If his nexus was centered on his screen and it is not on the minimap I doubt he saw the probe to be honest.

you are aware players can look at their mini maps regardless of whats on the main screen?

& you doubt he saw the probe? god forbid he must be hacking haha.

i apologise, but you guys are basing your whole accusation on the fact that 'you doubt he saw the probe'... seems pretty inconclusive to me.

as i said... we'll just ask wallace next time he's on... for all we know he could of been hacking, but there's no way you could prove it from that replay.

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TCPLemminks:

Didn't you guys kick him off your clan for the last incident?

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

you are aware players can look at their mini maps regardless of whats on the main screen?

& you doubt he saw the probe? god forbid he must be hacking haha.

i apologise, but you guys are basing your whole accusation on the fact that 'you doubt he saw the probe'... seems pretty inconclusive to me.

as i said... we'll just ask wallace next time he's on... for all we know he could of been hacking, but there's no way you could prove it from that replay.

U do realise that the probe doesnt even appear on his minimap.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

U do realise that the probe doesnt even appear on his minimap.

o.O

did you not look at my img? it does haha... watch in normal speed or something.

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[Bloodmyst]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

U do realise that the probe doesnt even appear on his minimap.

No offense, but you do sound a bit ill hearted about this. Have you tried going over the replay with the mindset of trying to prove he isn't cheating? Seems to me you only have one thing in mind.

[x5.Phoenix]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

you are aware players can look at their mini maps regardless of whats on the main screen?

& you doubt he saw the probe? god forbid he must be hacking haha.

i apologise, but you guys are basing your whole accusation on the fact that 'you doubt he saw the probe'... seems pretty inconclusive to me.

as i said... we'll just ask wallace next time he's on... for all we know he could of been hacking, but there's no way you could prove it from that replay.

Well if he didn't see the probe tell me another reason a level Protoss player would through down two gateways without a decent reason? It is not really a valid build order or option and is not even an effective cheese because it wasn't proxied. My reference to the probe was only me suggesting little reason for the double gateways, please don't take it the wrong way.

Yeah fair enough but I highly doubt if he is hacking that he would be like "these guys are my friends, they're like family to me, I can't lie about hacking" and be completely honest..

Just a thought

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Zealo:

holy ******* shit. he saw the probe, get over it

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by PurePhoenix

Well if he didn't see the probe tell me another reason a level Protoss player would through down two gateways without a decent reason? It is not really a valid build order or option and is not even an effective cheese because it wasn't proxied. My reference to the probe was only me suggesting little reason for the double gateways, please don't take it the wrong way.

Yeah fair enough but I highly doubt if he is hacking that he would be like "these guys are my friends, they're like family to me, I can't lie about hacking" and be completely honest..

Just a thought

once again you're basing everything off the chance he didn't see the probe, which we have no idea whether he did or not. would become the most pointless discussion.

anyways im done here, we're not getting anywhere and won't get anywhere till we talk to wallace about it.