[SLCN.Wally]

Originally Posted by OD.ProzeR

I noticed something while reading… o.o

I think it's a nice way of saying "they're bad"

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eCKoa`ProzeR:

but you're GM gosu :P

[Eddie]

Introducing our next 2 invites:

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raZiel

Indian Terran. Has been involved in the SEA scene for a long time, however plays under a lot of different alias's. Strong TvZ, is keen to make his mark in this tournament.

Current OSC Ranking: 65th
Season 2 Tournament Championships: -

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X5.Revenant

Champion of Singapore, the former Flash captain, has won many national titles, however, despite some high finishes is yet to take out a major online tournament. Revz is undefeated in OSC Challange matches! Despite National Service commitments, has maintained his place up the very top tier of our region. Fresh start at Team Exile 5, and an up coming trip to ACL Sydney, he's back to his very best form, and hungry for victory.

Current OSC Ranking: 24th
Season 2 Tournament Championships: -

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syfSoundwave:

Haven't seen raZiel around in a long, long time. Maybe cause he is disguised under different IDs like you say?

[Eddie]

Introducing our final invite:

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Ecko'Pokemon

Melbourne Terran. 7th in #Dedication for season 1 2014, with 964 games played. He also had the highest win % (57.4) of anyone in the top 10. A regular streamer on sc2sea, will be keen to test out his skills in this tournament.

Current OSC Ranking: 64th
Season 2 Tournament Championships: -

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The Bracket!!!

I've set it up a little bit differently, not your standard DE16.
Since we aren't just inviting the 16 'best', or those with the most games played, i've tried to balance the bracket to represent what we are about. While still seeding via OSC, i've pulled a few players back to have a few interesting/even matches to start with. From there onwards, it's basically the same bracket.

Bracket is up earlier so you can prepare/research your opponent if desired.

Look forward to a lot of quality games, a few upsets, and to seeing who our new star will be

Those that missed out will hopefully get an opportunity next time, as we'll be rotating players in/out to give everyone a shot.

Keen for some predictions too

[TtSYF.tRoy]

Really like the style of bracket for this event!
My predictions are
1. Blysk
2. SLCN.Petraeus (whoops)
3. Fray.Crimson

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SLCN.Petrify:

never been more insulted in my life

[Elusory]

I really want Walkover3 to win this so badly.

[asdfSchnitzel]

1. DIVINEPEZZ
2. David "Filth" Gore
3. Blysk
4. Daniel "[Fenner]Fenner" Fenner

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syfChase:

iFenner

[syfRize]

raZiel vs Wally
ProzeR vs Pokemon
DemiLove vs Pokemon/ProzeR

I'm so sad T.T

[SLCN.Petrify]

Had to give me a terran didn't ya Eddie! Looks like a fun bracket, can't wait

[ThatGuyDoMo]

Originally Posted by Eddie

I've set it up a little bit differently, not your standard DE16[/URL].
Since we aren't just inviting the 16 'best', or those with the most games played, i've tried to balance the bracket to represent what we are about. While still seeding via OSC, i've pulled a few players back to have a few interesting/even matches to start with. From there onwards, it's basically the same bracket.

Not to be a party pooper but I don't like this style of bracket / overall idea. It is an invite only tournament for the "rising stars of SEA", this isn't supposed to be a typical weekly online tournament or online LAN seeding competition where people are given seedings. I think everybody should be given equal ground in this tournament (just my opinion) because it means we really can test the mettle of players in the region as opposed to putting in an inherent bias.

Also, I don't think this should be manufactured around "have a few interesting/even" matches to start with, I don't think tournaments should ever be stacked that way. It should just be the 16 invited players based off OSC points / participation (as have been invited) then just randomly seeded. I think that is most interesting tournament you can have, and the most "fair".

Just seems arbitrary and artificial to me. I prefer the natural Ro16 double elim tournament bracket. This just seems convoluted because certain players are effectively getting 2 walkovers.

Feel free to disagree with me

EDIT: Forgot to mention on the topic of "making things more interesting", tampering with the bracket further (which would be COMPLETELY balanced out otherwise) just seems like too much, its the rising stars tournament, you don't need to add any more interest to it unless you believe the players invited won't provoke enough interest in the first place (in which case, you probably picked the wrong players to invite). Not to overlook the point that I didn't think this tournament was about "provoking interest" but more about giving newer players in our region a chance to be in the spotlight.

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	syfPhoenix:	+1 to domo
	SLCN.Petrify:	Tend to agree with this, good argument

[Eddie]

If we only invited the top 16 via OSC Rankings, there wouldn't be much variety of participants, it would likely be the same 16 people each tournament. There were other considerations for earning an invite, as mentioned from the start, eg #Dedication and tournament participation. Others will get a shot next time, in a similar invitation structure.

It's about rewarding those who are putting in and getting involved in our scene. And giving those guys some attention and a shot at some $'s.

Every 3rd SEA Rising Star is an open Challenge, with more money + OSC Pts, so we'll see who is the best of the rest in that format.

This serves to support and showcase up and coming players, not the regions best.

[ThatGuyDoMo]

Originally Posted by Eddie

If we only invited the top 16 via OSC Rankings, there wouldn't be much variety of participates, it would likely be the same 16 people each tournament. There were other considerations for earning an invite, as mentioned from the start, eg #Dedication and tournament participation. Others will get a shot next time, in a similar invitation structure.

It's about rewarding those who are putting in and getting involved in our scene. And giving those guys some attention and a shot at some $'s.

Every 3rd SEA Rising Star is an open Challenge, with more money + OSC Pts, so we'll see who is the best of the rest in that format.

This serves to support and showcase up and coming players, not the regions best.

I can understand and approve of the invite process, but my main qualm is why have you decided to pull certain players back in a bracket that would otherwise be a perfect Ro16? Just seems a bit elaborate to me. I think there is enough interest in this event purely as a simple Ro16 without these random double walkover scenarios. I can't imagine anybody saying "oh I'm not going to watch this tournament now because the first rounds aren't as interesting as they could have been".

EDIT: Also, just rereading your post and I want to reiterate (because I seem to have not made it clear) that I have no problem with the invite process and the competitors. My problem is with the bracket organization.

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syfPhoenix:

+1

[eCKoa`ProzeR]

My bracket tho @.@ hopefully I'll do well @.@

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syfChase:

I believe in the Prozer ! GL buddy!

[syfChadMann]

One thing to note on this, while it seems strange format, is that any stream(s) will be able to cover more games. So each player has a higher chance of being featured in the streams. Run 2 streams and you should be able to watch every single player on stream at least once. That's a pretty good plus for me, considering your trying to promote rising talent.

I can see the pro's and con's for this tournament bracket, maybe we could try out a Swiss/Round Robin style bracket that seeds into a top 6 play offs or something? Either way, Eddie is trying something out. While I might disagree with how people are placed, or even if its better than a standard 16 player double elim, I can see the benefits of this and its a test to see how it works.

All the best to everyone playing, My top 4 prediction:
1)MightyKiwi
2)Pezz
3)Crimson
4)Fenner

Well done Eddie, you are truly a SC2SEA hero.

[SLCN.Petrify]

Swiss would be amazing!

[ThatGuyDoMo]

Yea Swiss would be great actually, or group stage or something

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyDoMo

I can understand and approve of the invite process, but my main qualm is why have you decided to pull certain players back in a bracket that would otherwise be a perfect Ro16? Just seems a bit elaborate to me. I think there is enough interest in this event purely as a simple Ro16 without these random double walkover scenarios. I can't imagine anybody saying "oh I'm not going to watch this tournament now because the first rounds aren't as interesting as they could have been".

EDIT: Also, just rereading your post and I want to reiterate (because I seem to have not made it clear) that I have no problem with the invite process and the competitors. My problem is with the bracket organization.

I think there is probably a bit of a skill/level gap between the top 5-6, and bottom 5-6 players. Matching them up 1vs16, etc in such a format wouldn't be in the spirit of what we are trying to achieve, where we are trying to give these guys more chances at being streamed, noticed, having some fun, etc.

There may well be an upset or 2, but likelihood is the same players from a traditionally seeded DE16 will make it to the round of 8 as the ones seeded here, but this time those bottom 5-6 players will at minimum get 2 bo3's against more evenly skilled opponents. They may even go all the way!

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ThatGuyDoMo:

You can't predict the future of brackets, there are such things as upsets. Which are the most exciting imo.

[ThatGuyDoMo]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

One thing to note on this, while it seems strange format, is that any stream(s) will be able to cover more games. So each player has a higher chance of being featured in the streams. Run 2 streams and you should be able to watch every single player on stream at least once. That's a pretty good plus for me, considering your trying to promote rising talent.

I can see the pro's and con's for this tournament bracket, maybe we could try out a Swiss/Round Robin style bracket that seeds into a top 6 play offs or something? Either way, Eddie is trying something out. While I might disagree with how people are placed, or even if its better than a standard 16 player double elim, I can see the benefits of this and its a test to see how it works.

If an argument in favour of this is seeing every single player on stream at least once, we could one up that by doing the swiss / round robin style idea (as you mentioned) or just by streaming the individual sets on different basis. I.e. cast the sets where you think a certain player is going to be obviously eliminated (and judging by the bracket system of this tournament, people seem to already know with some confidence who will beat who) and then as the tournament continues cast the remaining ones. You'd end up with everybody being cast in that scenario whilst also not having to butcher the bracket.

Why not have a normal Ro16 and live cast a few games and maybe replay cast some other ones like mGG did with their recent tournament?

I'm finished debating this topic, just gonna leave it at that. You've obviously put a lot of work into this and I appreciate it. I just disagree with the format and can't find any recourse in approving it.

Hope it runs well.

WALLY FIGHTING!

[Eddie]

I did first think of running group stages, into SE Finals, but that would be more of a 2 day event, and i don't have the time this weekend, and ACL Qualifiers are Sunday, Masters Cup next Sunday, etc. We are pretty lucky with how many tournaments we've got going on atm.

Swiss would also be an interesting way of doing it, but you'd need to play a decent amount of rounds/ or everyone to be fair, and that would also take up a lot of time.

This is an experiment, if it works, that's great, but if it doesn't, then we'll change. It's a fun competition to experiment with, not as serious as open tournaments or finals.

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syfPhoenix:

$250->fun

[Kreamy]

Not playing tampered brackets. Im out.

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	ThatGuyDoMo:	LOL
	mGGSouth:	Don't even know why you were invited in the first place.

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by eCKo'Kreamy

Not playing tampered brackets. Im out.

Not sure if serious? But if so, no worries, someone else can have the opportunity.

This isn't tampered, it's how i've seeded it/created the format. I have no preference to who wins each series or the $'s. Players don't get to pick their own brackets, or ones that best suits them.

Any invitational could be argued as tampered, unless there is a strict invitational requirement, and even then seeding could be not ideal/fair and have brackets people aren't happy with.

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ThatGuyDoMo:

I think you are missing his point T_T