[Zealo]

are you calling last season's tier 4 PD and last season's tier 5 BSG?

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ToR.Arnor:

yes

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

Umm I dont know what league you were playing in, But BSG league last season had the perfect amount of teams (10-11) and PD league actually had too many that teams were having to play 2 times a week

i don't know what league you were playing in, but...

tier 5 of SEACL2 contained every BSGP team. by the end of the season people had improved(as you would hope) to the point that it was essentially a GPD competition. there was a huge gap between the strongest tier 5 team, and the weakest tier 4 team, tier 4 starting out as 95% diamond/masters and finishing pretty much only masters (with a couple of GMs). only an all plat team filled this gap at signups, but this was (at the admins' request i believe) merged with another tier 5 team and re split into 2 equal teams.

to suggest that there were enough PD and BSG teams to overfill 2 divisions is simply false.

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by Zealo

i don't know what league you were playing in, but...

tier 5 of SEACL2 contained every BSGP team. by the end of the season people had improved(as you would hope) to the point that it was essentially a GPD competition. there was a huge gap between the strongest tier 5 team, and the weakest tier 4 team, tier 4 starting out as 95% diamond/masters and finishing pretty much only masters (with a couple of GMs). only an all plat team filled this gap at signups, but this was (at the admins' request i believe) merged with another tier 5 team and re split into 2 equal teams.

to suggest that there were enough PD and BSG teams to overfill 2 divisions is simply false.

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3257 - Tier 4 Official Thread
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4278 - Tier 5 Playoff Thread


I dunno man, felt like there was plenty to divvy them into seperate tiers to me :S

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	UHF:	those are from 2 different seasons
	TAminimat:	No

[ToR.Arnor]

^Good point Edarus

Well how about we wait to see how many teams sign up?

If there arent enough teams to warrant holding separate leagues we'll consider running it together

@UHF you are wrong they are from the same season

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UHF:

appologies, the titles & naming conventions are very misleading

[TAminimat]

Woops, in regards to my quick comment on Edarus's post it should be: 'No I think deL just messed up the title'.

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xpaperclip:

The title was fine, Tier 4 was "SEA League 1" (and T5 was "League 2"), it didn't mean "SEACL Season 1".

[SLCN.NXZ]

I'm just curious, don't want to turn this into a full blown format drama but can we not just have the "pro" tier be the one with the pro teams and allow for them to play for their respective clans in lower tiers? Like I think tier 1 will only have pro teams in it... right? If this isn't the case ignore this post. If it is, however, I feel like if the two tiers never have to play each other then wouldn't it create better clan rivalries if everyone in the clan could play?

Just bringing this up because it is very unlikely for there to be an aLt team if we can't have our players on pro teams.

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Zealo:

i like this idea for the most part

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

Well how about we wait to see how many teams sign up?

Promote that man!

Originally Posted by TAminimat

Woops, in regards to my quick comment on Edarus's post it should be: 'No I think deL just messed up the title'.

What xpaperclip said. Dont worry, YOU DUN GOOD MAN.

[ToRSpookToR]

Originally Posted by Baldie

*fray`ChadMann: *
Pretty low... Even from Spook.. -_-

i hope you know i wasn't serious.... i love Baldie. I don't know how you could actually think i was serious...

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	ROOTPetraeus:	<3 spooky
	syfChadMann:	Ditto brohan.. ;)

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by TAEdarus

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3257 - Tier 4 Official Thread
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4278 - Tier 5 Playoff Thread


I dunno man, felt like there was plenty to divvy them into seperate tiers to me :S

i don't understand what you're trying to say, but i get the strong impression that you didn't read the post you quoted

[ToRSpookToR]

what zealo i was in Tier 4 last SEACL and i played 2 games a week there were that many teams i dont understand your point could you be more clear perhaps?

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by Zealo

last season we learned:
- 5 divisions is not enough (which is a good thing, a ton of people are interested in competitive SC2 leagues like this one)

- there are barely enough BSGPD players/teams interested to fill one division, yet alone 2.

what has caused the admins to believe the above 2 facts are no longer true?

there is nothing unclear about that, we had to play 2 games a week because they put 16 teams in a division instead of making 2 divisions of 8 teams each.


Tier 4 was not a platinum/diamond league, arnor saying it was makes me believe he was paying way less attention to SEACL2 than i would have liked from someone planning SEACL3

[ToRSpookToR]

It was initially... people improved.

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by Zealo

i don't understand what you're trying to say, but i get the strong impression that you didn't read the post you quoted

last season we learned:
- 5 divisions is not enough (which is a good thing, a ton of people are interested in competitive SC2 leagues like this one)

- there are barely enough BSGPD players/teams interested to fill one division, yet alone 2.

what has caused the admins to believe the above 2 facts are no longer true?

All stemmed from this comment and the back and forth from yourself and Arnor.
You are suggesting there arent enough players in BSGPD to fill two divisions.

I stated, going from history, I disagree given the amount of players and teams in T5(BSG) and T4(PD) of SEACL #2.

to suggest that there were enough PD and BSG teams to overfill 2 divisions is simply false.

As stated by people who played in the PD tier, they were playing TWO matches a week to keep their divison (T4) on schedule with the other tiers.- -You pointed this out yourself, "5 divisions is not enough". Which Tier were you referring to if not T4 like the rest of us are?


TL;DR - My point is that the number of tiers to me seems fine, if not you could add more. However you're suggesting there should be a BSGPD tier all smashed together because theres nobody in BSGPD anymore / low interest from players in those leagues?
I disagee.

I hope that made my point more clear, if i've misunderstood anything let me know.

Ultimately, why don't we go with the suggestion of "lets wait and see how many people actually sign up" before we go cutting divisions and throwing 80% of the community's skill variance into one league together? If I was a bronze and it was BSGPD, I tell you now I wouldn't touch the event with a very large stick.

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ToRSpookToR:

so smart

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by ToRSpook

It was initially... people improved.

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3257

those are the leagues of people in tier at sign ups, not a single team had a plat or below in their top 5 players. 14/16 teams had at least one master player in their roster at sign up.

saying it was a plat/diamond league is simply false

[ToRSpookToR]

if you have diamonds in your team why would a plat be in your "top 5" from what i can see it mainly is a PD league with a few masters.

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by TAEdarus

I stated, going from history, I disagree given the amount of players and teams in T5(BSG) and T4(PD) of SEACL #2.

you literally quoted the post where i explained how last season tier 4 was not plat/diamond, then you point out that there were 16 tier 4 teams and expect me agree that their were 16 plat/diamond teams. either you didn't read the post you quoted or you are trolling me right now.

[ToRSpookToR]

fuuuu zealo i dont even know what you are talking about you make no sense.

[TAEdarus]

It wasn't STRICTLY BSG / PD for the tiers but it DID end up working out that way.
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4000
Thats week 9, in the title it has .... The masters being overflow from the above tier.

In ESSENCE the tiers were treated as "the BSG tier" or "the PD" tier... However look at T5 then, at the start of the season there was an ALL-PLATINUM team (clearly not BSG, yes) but they did end up mixing up their T5 and T4 teams to even it more out with the overwhelming dominance of BSG players in tier 5

At the end of the season... was dominated by Plats, some Diamonds and BSG players... this was the evolution of the tier as the season progressed (11 weeks?). It was decided we would allow Platinums at the start and not force it to be pure BSG, with Plat player restrictions. This evolved later into a restriction on Diamonds also given the good progress of the players, we didn't want to punish them for improving and then moving into a league with Master players.


While T4 and T5 were NOT strictly BSG / PD (yes, i'm agreeing with you here) it did have that air about it and was (by the vast majority of the community) treated as such.

[Meatex]

seeing as sign ups are not until January 21st I think we should keep sign ups out of the thread till later especially as players may improve or pros switch teams (PiG to iM?? :P)

Additionally specifics about how many tiers etc can be figured out towards the end of January when it will be much clearer for everyone involved ^.~

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Zealo:

wise words

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by FaDeMeatex

seeing as sign ups are not until January 21st I think we should keep sign ups out of the thread till later especially as players may improve or pros switch teams (PiG to iM?? :P)

Additionally specifics about how many tiers etc can be figured out towards the end of January when it will be much clearer for everyone involved ^.~

This is the thread for sign ups and should be used as such, ill be creating a new thread for people to voice their opinions and ask admins to move all the 'discussion' posts in this thread, my internet is just failing hard right now! (on my phone atm)

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nirvAnA:

I created this thread for you and moved the posts Arnor!