[RockSPR]

Originally Posted by xGKingMafia

lol rocky!! long time no c, where u been hiding?

MAFIA my man MUACK

nah..........went for studying?hehe

[ChoiJaeHoon]

can u tell me a standard what is active player and what is not

[RockSPR]

i think master wants to play some arguments with u guys.
juz ignore him LOL he really retarded

[Champi]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

can u tell me a standard what is active player and what is not

Somebody who has been playing ladder on our server (WITH US KNOWING WHO THEY ARE, AND NOT SMURFING) for over 6 months

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	RockSPR:	CHAMPI >_< IMBA BRZ!
	ZC.EvilSWAT:	If it was me, I would say no lesser than 12 months, but this'll do fine at the moment.

[ChoiJaeHoon]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

Somebody who has been playing ladder on our server (WITH US KNOWING WHO THEY ARE, AND NOT SMURFING) for over 6 months

tiger and ych should play ladder 100games+ to join tournement and that's prove they are active on SEA

and.. what?

are you serious ? lol

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

tiger and ych should play ladder 100games+ to join tournement and prove they are active

and.. what?

are you serious ? lol

I don't think you understand what 'fairness' means, or what 'fun' is for all teams. You want your team to have fun. It is not fun for any other team, it is selfish for what you and your Korean friends want and even your own SEA team does not want you to use those players. Your team is great, the people are great, hell even you are probably alright if you don't go crazy dictator on us, and you don't need to argue this further.

I don't know what to say to get through to you, you never involve yourself with any of the SEA community so you don't know why we are arguing this t.t

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Nemo:

Haha Edge at crazy dictator. I like what you say :)

[dippa]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

tiger and ych should play ladder 100games+ to join tournement and that's prove they are active on SEA

and.. what?

are you serious ? lol

he didn't say they should play 100 games+; being code b heroes, they could probably knock that out in 2-3 days easily

the point is that they can't just rock up on our server, play a ton of games and go SEEE IM ACTIVE ON THE SERVER NOW I CAN TAKE ALL UR MONIEZ (which is more or less what's happening here)

[ChoiJaeHoon]

Originally Posted by dippa

he didn't say they should play 100 games+; being code b heroes, they could probably knock that out in 2-3 days easily

the point is that they can't just rock up on our server, play a ton of games and go SEEE IM ACTIVE ON THE SERVER NOW I CAN TAKE ALL UR MONIEZ (which is more or less what's happening here)

why do u think that they surely win this tourney? u think they are same as progamer? u think they are unbeatable?
and u also can join code B if u come to korea

even i won them and they also lost to some of SEA laddering people

u just seems like afraid of lose to them.

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	Bash:	What is this i dont even...
	:	your rep points need to go below 0
	Fourby:	what the penis just happened?

[dippa]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

why do u think that they surely win this tourney? u think they are same as progamer? u think they are unbeatable?
and u also can join code B if u come to korea

even i won them and they also lost to some of SEA laddering people

u just seems like afraid of lose to them.

i'm not playing in the top division, but if given the chance, i'd happily play everyone on your team and everyone else.

and i'd lose every game. i don't care about that, because it makes it better. but that's not the point here.

i know they're not unbeatable, i know they're not the *same* as pro gamers. (also, i wouldn't even be classed as "code B" afaik because i wouldn't have the requisite level of points in KR masters to play in the qualifiers, but that's neither here or there.)

the point is you submitted a lineup and then went and dumped half of the lineup to the B-team, replacing them with a bunch of koreans who are supposedly "active SEA" players.

now why, pray tell, would you go and do that?

wasn't your original lineup strong enough already?

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	Champi:	i love the pray tell but hes struggling to get the point enough as it is bro :P
	Bash:

[nGenLight]

See usually I would definitely not advocate a member outing or speaking poorly of one of their own members on the forums or in public, especially their leader - keep it in the house, follow your leadership. But in this case... uhhh...

[Champi]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

tiger and ych should play ladder 100games+ to join tournement and prove they are active

and.. what?

are you serious ? lol

No! Tiger has not been here long enough, nor is he very active on his own account very much, and ych is not active anymore either

its easy for u to say something like "oh, he smurfs on wahliaoz all the time since ages ago so hes active"

but that cant be proven so it cant be taken seriously or with confidence.

and yes, despite beeing the moonstar, I am serious.

[ChoiJaeHoon]

and u guys dont need think we just come this server now we can take all money
even if our team1 win this tourney , we will not get the money. is it fair?

and i thought active player means people who played ladder 100game+

because when ych tried to join some tourney (Master cup), one of admins told me foreigner should be prove to active on SEA. and he suggested him to play ladder 100game+ then accepted him

[dippa]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

and u guys dont need think we just come this server now we can take all money
even if our team1 win this tourney , we will not get the money. is it fair?

and i thought active player means people who played ladder 100game+

because when ych tried to join some tourney (Master cup), one of admins told me foreigner should be prove to active on SEA. and he suggested him to play ladder 100game+ then accepted him

that doesn't work either.

if you're allowed to compete in the tournament, you should get a share of its winnings. if you can't gain anything from playing, there's no point in wasting the time to play the matches.

i'd prefer you just used your original lineup that was posted, but that's just me.

and no, people don't think you're trying to take all the money. that was a joke by me. what we're trying to say is that the SEA clan league should show off players from SEA that spend the majority of their time playing on SEA.

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	wTlzq:	that is why there is a "SEA" in front of the clan league
	Fourby:	South east korea

[Frogmite]

Article 8 of the conditions of participation: (see OP)

You may not include players based outside of Southeast Asia or Oceania in your team unless an admin grants special consideration.

This competition is made for SEA players as we want to give more coverage to them and encourage new emerging talents. We all believe you're strong players but we prefer to make sure SEA Clan League remains SEA. We don't refuse koreans, we just refuse players that we never see around casual times.

Admins will decide which players are allowed to compete in it or not. Hope you understand.

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Champi:

thanks for laying down the law, we couldnt get through to him -_-"

[ChoiJaeHoon]

as i alr said, i dont use them like merc. and they've been trying to be SEA active player
just give me a standard what is active an d what is not

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

as i alr said, i dont use them like merc. and they've been trying to be SEA active player
just give me a standard what is active an d what is not

ChoiJaeHoon, could you give us the motivation for those guys to be part of SEA server ? n scene is by far the best in the world. Are they not living there (I could be mistaken) ? At level it's sometimes hard to find games and you often playing the same guys over and over, why would they come in this "worst" server when they have such a good one already ?

Is this to practice English, because they like sc2sea, they want to play against people of other culture ?

This is really an open question, I absolutely don't get their motivation and yours by the way.

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TAEdgE:

[ChoiJaeHoon]

k i just quit sc2 and bb

sorry for this

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	Champi:	poor form, milkis did the same thing. i find this to be an extremely immateur and rash behaviour
	EveYekke:	Lol cool story bro
	SungInSPR:
	TAkrunch:	no ... don't go...

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

k i just quit sc2 and bb

sorry for this

I fully understand that cultural differences might make discussions not easy. We must all try to understand how people of other countries think to be able to communicate smoothly.

I think that our n friends did their best at staying calm and not taking hard what could have been considered offensive if said from other people. I really think you should make an effort yourself to be less secretive and explain more openly why it's so important for you that they play and what is happening in SPR clan about it.

There is really no need of so extreme decisions. We won't have hard feelings even if we disagree. We only want to understand you.

Originally Posted by EveMassacrisM

To me, I would say being consistently active on the ladder for 2 seasons at least would *maybe* classify you as a SEA player. For example if Nemo - who lives in France - belongs to a clan and wants to join the league, we'd have absolutely no problem with that. The fact that a few of the Koreans( Soulman, kingkong ) who live in Korea are under consideration that they'd be allowed to play is already pretty ridiculous.

To my knowledge the 100+ games on ladder rule was made by organizers of the Master Cup, not SEACL, so having your friends massing games in 4 days just to join this tournament is unnecessary, irrelevant and trying too hard.

To say the truth I'm not active enough either on SEA or EU servers anyway to qualify. Haha

But I guess that because instead of playing I'm passing all my time on sc2sea.com, I could ask for a rule that say : "You could either be active on the forum". I don't do this so I don't steal all the money. haha

More seriously for "real" BSG players activity on the ladder has not the same meaning than for Diamond+ players. Rules should be more attached to link to the community or the site as subsrciption to the TGM, number of posts, number of chat line, awesomeness (), etc. Good contribution to the site could also be a criteria for higher rank players. Remember it can be hard for European players to play on SEA because of time difference.

I don't say that for me, I'm too bad to waste people time in a tournament anyway.

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EveMassacrisM:

I believe saying you should be active within the community sounds fair.

[EveMassacrisM]

as i alr said, i dont use them like merc. and they've been trying to be SEA active player
just give me a standard what is active an d what is not

To me, I would say being consistently active on the ladder for 2 seasons at least would *maybe* classify you as a SEA player. For example if Nemo - who lives in France - belongs to a clan and wants to join the league, we'd have absolutely no problem with that. The fact that a few of the Koreans( Soulman, kingkong ) who live in Korea are under consideration that they'd be allowed to play is already pretty ridiculous.

To my knowledge the 100+ games on ladder rule was made by organizers of the Master Cup, not SEACL, so having your friends massing games in 4 days just to join this tournament is unnecessary, irrelevant and trying too hard.

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	wolf:
	TAkrunch:	mainly trying too hard

[nGenLight]

Loads of drama/disagreements aside, this is shaping up to be the biggest community-based league in SEA SC2 history. Hence why I am so keen to be apart of it, tingling inside waiting for it!

Also note to clans: Let your manager/spokesperson do the managing/public speaking to avoid above disaster.