[xpaperclip]

I think a full clan league would be really great. However, I think instead of all-kill, a Proleague format (both in terms of match and league format) would be better. It rewards teams with depth and more people get to play.

I'm also extremely curious as to how the Frogmite format is intended to work! Mainly because while there are clans that tend to focus on one end or the other, there are also clans like TA which seem to span the entire spectrum.

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by xpaperclip

I think a full clan league would be really great. However, I think instead of all-kill, a Proleague format (both in terms of match and league format) would be better. It rewards teams with depth and more people get to play.

I'm also extremely curious as to how the Frogmite format is intended to work! Mainly because while there are clans that tend to focus on one end or the other, there are also clans like TA which seem to span the entire spectrum.

There wil be different divisions (a bit like soccer), so a clan like TA will be able to align different teams on different divisions. And actually we have two FaDe teams for BSGCL and it's working perfectly fine .

If the format is liked by the majority i will make a thread to explain it more in details.

[aLtMrFool]

Clanless MrFool is confused :P

[NvJazBas]

Can't we do both ?T_T I always waited for both SEASL and SEACL #2.

and also, for SEACL, I don't think xGKing or Arcmsi should be able to participate but is able to participate as their clans as xGKing and MSI are pro teams not clans.

Just my opinion!

Quick Comments

	aLtShortizz:	Yeah that would make things mcuh easier.
	dippa:	hear hear

[nirvAnA]

gonna be too complicated if you separate teams and clans.

it will be up to the player whether they want to represent their team or clan, of course the player is obligated to represent his sponsored team if his team wants representation. but as far as i know SQLT is too small, so is tT and immunity who have 1 player each. aMSI will probably not want to enter themselves but instead as two teams of TA. xgking will be too small unless they recruit more members. dont see any other problems with the other teams!

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

Can't we do both ?T_T I always waited for both SEASL and SEACL #2.

and also, for SEACL, I don't think xGKing or Arcmsi should be able to participate but is able to participate as their clans as xGKing and MSI are pro teams not clans.

Just my opinion!

You're competing in the TCL for Xeria :P

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

You're competing in the TCL for Xeria :P

Yea true but I think for SEA, pro and clan is defined abit more clearer. I dunno its just my opinion lol as much as I love representing xeria gaming, I also want to see the SEA scene where TA's new members such as Light and Mafia represent TA in a new way, also me representing Infi and iaguz of course, aLt! Just my opinion hehe

[deL]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

Personally id prefer a SEACL. A SL might not generate as much interest as clan leagues(Rivalries and all). Also, id prefer it not to be Invited + Open. Having just a Open bracket starting with group stages with no seeding will make things more interesting! Imagine a small clan getting into the finals with sheer teamwork and a little bit of bracket luck! Just like Chadman's run into Dox cup

Oh and btw, i dunno how the match format was before but id love to see like 9 Bo1s instead of GSTL all-kill format. Imo its pretty retarded for a clan to win if they only have ONE good player, which btw can be any hired Korean these days haha.

PS: How do we differentiate between Teams and Clans? For example, Mafia is part of xGKing but in clan TA. How does that work out?

Ideally the Bo9 individual match formats are probably a better representation of a clan's strength, but it's just less exciting for players and spectators AND it's really hard to get 9 people to turn up :P

[Frogmite]

Actually i believe that making an additional pro-team league will help the SEA community to grow.

Why?

If we make competitions for pro-team, then there will be a better coverage for that teams (through live streams) and that's exactly what sponsors are after (advertisement). If there is no events that the team can participate, then the sponsors will stop sponsoring the teams.

So yeah, there is maybe only 5 pro-teams today in SEA, but i believe we need to invest on those teams. By making more competitions in SEA for those teams we'll get better chances that the teams will grow, or other teams will emerge. Because there will be interest for sponsors. What will the sponsor will say if they see their players going to play a clan league with their clans instead of playing for the team.

It's must my own opinion and maybe i don't really know what is best for SEA as i am coming from france but i truly believe that it's the way we must go if we want to promote SC2 in SEA.

By the way, we'll make the format that the community prefers so no worries

[deL]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Actually i believe that making an additional pro-team league will help the SEA community to grow.

Why?

If we make competitions for pro-team, then there will be a better coverage for that teams (through live streams) and that's exactly what sponsors are after (advertisement). If there is no events that the team can participate, then the sponsors will stop sponsoring the teams.

So yeah, there is maybe only 5 pro-teams today in SEA, but i believe we need to invest on those teams. By making more competitions in SEA for those teams we'll get better chances that the teams will grow, or other teams will emerge. Because there will be interest for sponsors. What will the sponsor will say if they see their players going to play a clan league with their clans instead of playing for the team.

It's must my own opinion and maybe i don't really know what is best for SEA as i am coming from france but i truly believe that it's the way we must go if we want to promote SC2 in SEA.

By the way, we'll make the format that the community prefers so no worries

It could do more damage than good if you make the teams require a minimum of 5 players or whatever. First of all there's not really enough talent to go around forever so some teams will be left with some average players. Next not all teams/sposnors can support having so many players on the team - a lot prefer 1-2 RTS players.

If we do something team centric we should look at alternative formats such as those for 2-player teams (some WC3 tourneys used it) imo.

[dippa]

Players should elect before the beginning of the season who they want to represent. Easiest way of dealing with the issue.

The idea of creating multiple tiers also has merit; the weekly results will be a bit of a blowout to the major names otherwise.

Conversely, not including everyone in the same group means some divisions might actually be a bit short.

However this goes, I think it'll be a good idea to make the format extend as far as possible, and also use it as a chance to rotate casters/streamers so everybody gets a chance at the spotlight. This is the kind of thing that EVERYBODY in SEA should participate in, and it's something that could serve as good bait to get other communities in SEA to watch.

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

It could do more damage than good if you make the teams require a minimum of 5 players or whatever. First of all there's not really enough talent to go around forever so some teams will be left with some average players. Next not all teams/sposnors can support having so many players on the team - a lot prefer 1-2 RTS players.

If we do something team centric we should look at alternative formats such as those for 2-player teams (some WC3 tourneys used it) imo.

Actually i was thinking of a BO5 KOTH for pro league so 3 players per team per match.

[iM MaFia]

I agree with JazBas, pro teams and clans are different, and there aren't enough pro teams in the scene and most of them don't really have enough players. I think that they should be playing for their clans as it seems much more reasonable why we have clans in SEA.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

I don't think people who don't join teams in the first place should be able to join one just to try get cash. Nothing against guys like tgun and glade but they don't affiliate themselves with clans or contribute to clans so why should they be rewarded in clan tournaments.

No koreans, no proteams, fox only, final destination.

[ToR.Arnor]

Froggy Hit the nail on the head

The Tawain server does something similiar the 'TCL' is for amateur ranked teams/clan while the TeSL is for their major pro teams (e.g. GBears aka Sen's Team, TT Apollos aka Softballs team) the TeSL usually only has 5-6 teams competing in the main season, TeSL is huge in Tawain and its only into I believe its 3rd season?

Sponsors need to see a ROI and its events like this that make it so much easier for teams to justify the $$$ they receive

[Snx.FigJig]

Don't worry, I'll allow tgun and glade to be with us...just this once.

[TCPLemminks]

From what I understand, if we have a league solely for the 5 Pro Teams in SEA, what about the clans who want to participate in a, say, Masters+ level CL (assuming that the BSG and PD are the other two skill levels). If we do include a Pro Team league and a Masters+ CL and a Open CL (call it the Lemminks Open, just a thought) prize money would have to be split between the three, the severity of which would depend on how much our lovely sponsor is willing to donate.

If a Pro Team league is implemented, then should players in Pro League be allowed to represent their respective clans as well?

Now in terms of the format, I agree with Shortizz and the others that BO9 Individual matches would be better than the GSL all-kill format as it allows for more participation. Perhaps we could have it like the TSL and have each individual match be worth points, with an "ace" match as well (this could also be implemented for all CLs).

Finally for the Prizes I agree that the BSG and the PD should not be cash. However, since some people don't really care for achievements, something else should be included in the prize pool, like an hour's free coaching.

Quick Comments

Benji:

I think the intention is for the middle tier to be for Masters/GMs

[NDG.Stitch]

SEASL!!!!
I'd love to see individuals over teams. Because there are some teams that are just really strong compared to others...

By the way Nirv, I already have a SEASL Season 2 Logo ready for you. So when you find out what it's gonna be just ask me for the logo.

Quick Comments

nirvAnA:

send me on skype!!!!!

[Zealo]

i would rather see a clan league, either to play in (frogmite version) or watch (both versions)

[ROOTPetraeus]

SC2 referendum.