[iM yang]

Originally Posted by FaDeMeatex

So a random strat that outright loses to standard ZvP is just him getting lucky?
A diamond player that gets supply blocked for a minute-ish and gets nearly 20 extra supply with another pylon on the way when he has 1 gateway and isn't putting chrono on the nexus - this guy is going to have such crisp timings that he knows he needs 4 cannons and 3 pylons so he doesn't lose power to them.
Not to mention that 3 seconds after my roach warren drops is when he starts dropping extra cannons.
At least with close spawns its a 33% chance of being successful.

I did say this several times that this isn't the only game, just the only replay I have presently. I don't make this post lightly or out of rage or anything like you seem to think.
I have lost ZvZ matches where the guy 6 pool all 1 spine rushed me and sent his drone to the right spawn first time in two seperate games. TDA and entombed valley - he couldn't have inferred by scouting overlord to narrow the odds either but he could have just gotten lucky twice in a row.

I had to deal with the whole evets debacle so don't insult me by insinuating I am accusing this player without proper consideration

While you say there's other games, I can't see the replays so that doesn't change how I view this. Sometimes people don't have extremely crisp openings and precise reactions to everything. Maybe he was distracted, then he thought since you denied his scout instead of going to his base you might be allin'ing and he panicked.
I'm only saying that you have posted in this thread that this guy is a hacker in your eyes with this incredibly flimsy replay to back up your opinion.

[pRoTimber]

nth much to say from my own replay except for weird build, movements. 1st thing that came to my mind is nobody that is good play this way. A while after my game, i find him bragging on sc2sea chatbox with his record, and also zvz builds saying why nobody go for 15hatch etc and answering zvz strat questions from stallion. ngeneclipse and ngenphoenix both lost and didnt notice any sign of hack, im assuming maybe its harder to notice as a toss. but from his match history, his zvz victories over player like kottbullar and revenant as well as other zerg players are really suspicious, i would thought to myself, who the hell plays like this. and also in zvt, roach kills if theyr played in a way like iceiceice did, but not in a manner like this guy did in most of his zvt. more replays would be helpful!

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Nemo:

Timber, the bane of hackers !

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by pRoTimber

nth much to say from my own replay except for weird build, movements. 1st thing that came to my mind is nobody that is good play this way. A while after my game, i find him bragging on sc2sea chatbox with his record, and also zvz builds saying why nobody go for 15hatch etc and answering zvz strat questions from stallion. ngeneclipse and ngenphoenix both lost and didnt notice any sign of hack, im assuming maybe its harder to notice as a toss. but from his match history, his zvz victories over player like kottbullar and revenant as well as other zerg players are really suspicious, i would thought to myself, who the hell plays like this. and also in zvt, roach kills if theyr played in a way like iceiceice did, but not in a manner like this guy did in most of his zvt. more replays would be helpful!

Watched the replay.

Contrary to lights will to argue and his weird examples i pinpoint this pelican as a 100% hacker

Reasons for include:

1. Incredible lack of scouting (No xel'naga tower control, No overlord spread, no unit sacrifices)
2. Producing units in reaction to unseen pushes
3. Constant repositioning of army in reaction to yours without having any vision of your army.
4. so many obvious examples but one that I'm sure anyone would agree with is his overlord scouting of your 3rd at 20:20. Completely random and he hasn't even scouted your bottom expansions once.


Yep he hacks, and hes also a douche-bag for his comments at the end.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by pRoTimber

nth much to say from my own replay except for weird build, movements. 1st thing that came to my mind is nobody that is good play this way. A while after my game, i find him bragging on sc2sea chatbox with his record, and also zvz builds saying why nobody go for 15hatch etc and answering zvz strat questions from stallion. ngeneclipse and ngenphoenix both lost and didnt notice any sign of hack, im assuming maybe its harder to notice as a toss. but from his match history, his zvz victories over player like kottbullar and revenant as well as other zerg players are really suspicious, i would thought to myself, who the hell plays like this. and also in zvt, roach kills if theyr played in a way like iceiceice did, but not in a manner like this guy did in most of his zvt. more replays would be helpful!

I have watched this game and analysed it there : http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/312812320

Summary

• Roach build, why not, nothing much suspicious about that.
• Positionning of his army in 4 or 5 situation are evidence of hacking and 1 or 2 are proofs. He goes straight to attacking Timber army without seeing anything. It's quite ridiculous at some times.

My conclusion: Obvious Map Hack. It's far over the "insane luck" "excuse" that could be given to others.

[iM yang]

You're taking this very personally, don't get so worked up. I didn't even post when the evets discussion was happening. I've said this multiple times, you seem like you're reading too much into this game. As basically everybody has said since you posted the replay.

[pRoTimber]

yeah rossi, he is a douchebag..thanks for your review!

one does not simply win over revenant in ZvZ and brags about it in sc2sea chatbox

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[pRoTimber]

i forgot to name him...his in game name is MeLo

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[AxSGRiM]

MeLo was once a terrible protoss player camping at the bottom of masters league. Now, aided with his maphacks, he goes straight to gm w/ zerg.

[EveSnow]

Watched Timber replay on MeLo. Blatant maphack. Army movements goes against what he sees. Anw GJ taking him down even though he hacked

[ToRSpartaz]

Just saying that this thread, kinda has destroyed my trust in the game. Even at the slightest sign of a "Hacker" I just dont feel the same as I once did. It really sucks tbh. Although I do still appreciate the amazing game sense by some players though (:

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Just saying that this thread, kinda has destroyed my trust in the game. Even at the slightest sign of a "Hacker" I just dont feel the same as I once did. It really sucks tbh. Although I do still appreciate the amazing game sense by some players though (:

Should be the contrary mate. Thanks to this thread, every map hacker on SEA could now fear the public shame of being caught. It sure makes the SEA server a better place to play.

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by Nemo

Should be the contrary mate. Thanks to this thread, every map hacker on SEA could now fear the public shame of being caught. It sure makes the SEA server a better place to play.

Yeah, but ALWAYS im on the lookout in the community for these people >.<

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Yeah, but ALWAYS im on the lookout in the community for these people >.<

Haha, you don't need to. They are quite rare and they will be revealed quickly enough, don't worry. One day or another they will cross the road of the Hackerbane Timber and be revealed.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Just saying that this thread, kinda has destroyed my trust in the game. Even at the slightest sign of a "Hacker" I just dont feel the same as I once did. It really sucks tbh. Although I do still appreciate the amazing game sense by some players though (:

I have never been in one of my games and gone 'this guy must be hacking'. I'm too busy focussed on my own play to even care if they were hacking or not. I'm of the opinion that even if they are hacking you should be able to beat them as whatever they can do, somebody can do in a regular game against you so why even both suspected them of hacking. :P

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by SQL.yang

I have never been in one of my games and gone 'this guy must be hacking'. I'm too busy focussed on my own play to even care if they were hacking or not. I'm of the opinion that even if they are hacking you should be able to beat them as whatever they can do, somebody can do in a regular game against you so why even both suspected them of hacking. :P

Pretty much this while im playing, however since the beginning when a new face arises out of nowhere that ive never heard of and has no lan results I assume they're a hacker until proven otherwise at lan.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Pretty much this while im playing, however since the beginning when a new face arises out of nowhere that ive never heard of and has no lan results I assume they're a hacker until proven otherwise at lan.

That's just your dirty cs mind at work.

[crAzerk]

Originally Posted by Zealo

what do you suggest for replays that are 'suspicious', but not conclusive? i think it's worth having somewhere to post them so other people can check their replays against that player; if they really are hacking it's about the only way to gather evidence.

Show them to your friends / clanmates first. I remember several cases in this thread where the accuser (person submitting a replay) actually consulted his clan mates first, and after the consensus is that it's highly sus then you can post them here.But do try to get multiple replays rather than just one suspicious replay as mentioned earlier.
And if all your friends actually agree that the replay is HIGHLY suspicious, you could post it here even if it's just one, BUT as I've said, it's always better to have more than one replay for better support.

The fact is most players (above a certain skill level) are able to 'detect suspicious play', it doesn't take a genius or some veteran to classify it as suspicious. The problem is each of us would naturally have some kind of bias + imperfect information (e.g. you don't know all the reactions of every race), which is why we encourage you to get just a few others to check out the replay as well first, before making such a heavy accusation of hacking.

And the rationale for requiring multiple replays for suspicious (and not blatant) behavior has been explained multiple times in the past 2 pages, just have a look. You can't just base judgement off one game.
I still remember one particular ladder game I was abit bored and I just stared at random points in the fog in early parts of the game - until I suddenly thought 'oh shit what if this guy accuses me of maphacking?' and so I stopped it. Stuff like that.

[Rockstar]

Watching Meatex's replay once through normally, then once through with production tab open and keeping an eye on minerals and probe production leads me to believe that he may be hacking. It's circumstantial and more replays of similar circumstances are needed before it's conclusive.

Any and all advantage he gains from his FFE opening is lost when he spends copious amounts of minerals on static defence and cuts probe production. If this is his standard FFE opening it is a very poor choice of builds and he would have next to no chance of winning against a competent macro zerg... Which is the standard reaction to the FFE.

edit: just before the roaches are in vision he selects his sentry and probe and moves them back. before this he hadn't moved them at all.

extra edit: Nothing was stopping him from attempting a secondary scout on Meatex's natural to be sure it was a 1base all-in

[crAzerk]

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Pretty much this while im playing, however since the beginning when a new face arises out of nowhere that ive never heard of and has no lan results I assume they're a hacker or a Korean until proven otherwise at lan.

Fixed your post

[Champi]

lol, just watched timbers replay, that MeLo guy is an ultimate moonstar