[wTlzq]

@craZerk i am referring to jcapone, just feel that he should be given at least a chance to explain his actions, no matter how conclusive the evidence is

edit: i swear that is a capital i you are using for my nick!!! its an LLLLLLL

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	ROOTPetraeus:	ezq <3
	crAzerk:	sorry Izq :D

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by lzq

@craZerk i am referring to jcapone, just feel that he should be given at least a chance to explain his actions, no matter how conclusive the evidence is

edit: i swear that is a capital i you are using for my nick!!! its an LLLLLLL

Doesn't matter if he explains it. He still hacked, so won't be moved from the confirmed hacker list. At least that's how it should work.

[faithHunter]

Originally Posted by lzq

@craZerk i am referring to jcapone, just feel that he should be given at least a chance to explain his actions, no matter how conclusive the evidence is

edit: i swear that is a capital i you are using for my nick!!! its an LLLLLLL

Agreed. He should at least be given a chance to explain. Who knows, maybe his/her friends got high and used his account to maphack (see what I did there?), or maybe his account got hacked by some cheater.

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nGenLight:

He didn't accuse the clan of hacking, he said he had a prejudice, *facepalm*

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by neozxa

Sorry, but I feel that you should refrain from accuse the entire ons clan of hacking. One of my (best) friends in the SEA server is on that clan and I feel bad for him if people started thinking that he's a hacker since he's in the ons clan just because of your statement. You should at least bring up some evidence to back your assumption.



Agreed. He should at least be given a chance to explain. Who knows, maybe his/her friends got high and used his account to maphack (see what I did there?), or maybe his account got hacked by some cheater.

he apologised...

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ROOTPetraeus:

Edgeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D

[crAzerk]

@Lzq
As I've said, the only possible explanation that would 'clear' his name is if he used the Willchen defence. I don't want to spell it out here to give him an easy time, but if you wanted to know what it was just look back through this thread.

(I tried to troll you by typing an I in my rep comment on you but it doesn't appear clearly so I thought I'd just state it explicitly)

@Badger I think you typoed?
"He still hacked, so won't be moved from the confirmed hacker list. "
You mean 'will be moved' ?

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wTlzq:

:DDD

[FaDeBadger]

@crAzerk, I said he won't be moved from the hacker list. Meaning he is already there and will be staying there even if he explains why he hacked etc.

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crAzerk:

ah, gotcha

[Rockstar]

Blatant hacking. Didn't even think about trying to hide it either... Still had the audacity to GG at the end too... Has the Ons clan management been informed of the situation?

edit: He saw the council when he map hacked and knew that Champi would have an obs (which he obviously couldn't see with the maphack) for blink into his base, thats why he got his own obs out. To snipe the obs of Champi..

[Champi]

i pmed onscalcifer on b.net letting him know that onsjcampone has been added to the confirmed hackers list, and requested he let the leader of ons know, whoever that may be.

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

i pmed onscalcifer on b.net letting him know that onsjcampone has been added to the confirmed hackers list, and requested he let the leader of ons know, whoever that may be.

Ive spoken to calcifer before on hacking issues too. But i didnt have enough proof or replays so i just let it slide by. Imo sometimes its better to just warn/alert the clan leader to let them sort it out within themselves.

The replay u posted however, looks very convincing, well done again!

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calcifer19:

Did you ?? when ?

[Champi]

@neozxa

what? i did no such thing! all i said was that i have 2 reasons to be prejudice against them, dont put words in my mouth by saying im calling them hackers.

i dont need to bring any evidence to back up an assumption i havnt made.

im entitled to be prejudice against a group of people who tried to rig a seacl line up, if u read what i said, u will find that i made sure to mention that my last statement was completely unrelated to the maphacker and the game.

please dont create drama where there is none. im sure ur friend is perfectly legit, and noone will assume a whole clan is hacking just because i found one guy who hacks within them, FaDe and SPR both had a hacker in their ranks and theyre two of the best clans in SEA.

[faithHunter]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

@neozxa

what? i did no such thing! all i said was that i have 2 reasons to be prejudice against them, dont put words in my mouth by saying im calling them hackers.

i dont need to bring any evidence to back up an assumption i havnt made.

im entitled to be prejudice against a group of people who tried to rig a seacl line up, if u read what i said, u will find that i made sure to mention that my last statement was completely unrelated to the maphacker and the game.

please dont create drama where there is none. im sure ur friend is perfectly legit, and noone will assume a whole clan is hacking just because i found one guy who hacks within them, FaDe and SPR both had a hacker in their ranks and theyre two of the best clans in SEA.

I apologize. Thought having a prejudice and accusing is the same thing. I'll edit my post and remove that statement.

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Champi:

<3

[Nemo]

I won't do an analysis of this replay since it's clear for everyone that's a blatant Map Hack. He can then be put already, as crAzerk did, in the hacker list legitimally.

Now he has still the chance to come here and explain if he wants. He will be listned to but he should not try to lie in a "last chance" try, but says the truth or it will end even worse for him.

[Exilemic]

Hi, this is ons leader. We're aware of onsjcapone's case and cleared things with him. He said that it's a matter of mannerism, but we don't think it is(no one looks at fogs just because they're bored or got nothing to do). By that, we'll kick him out of the clan.

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	Champi:
	Zealo:	♥ ons
	TAriiChard:
	Nemo:	Fair
	nirvAnA:

[Fourby]

Yeh,, the only reason that i could think of is:

if he sent in a scout (probe etc) and wasnt looking, so he goes back to see if he got some money scouts on a tech structure. But he didnt.

he could only see like a gateway and nexus, and he does it over and over and over without trying to even reveal anything first.

And why would u be looking at anything but your own ramp when you have been completely contained and think they could come for counter push.



P.S i like blink stalkers

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Champi:

i like blink stalkers too. lets blink stalkers together sometime <3

[crAzerk]

The mannerism excuse doesn't work for the Stalker-dodging by his Probe which I described.

Kudos to clan ons for your prompt response and decision

[NvRossi]

^ best protoss in SEA

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TABjornbrandr:

/cuddle

[Nemo]

This time you come here and insult people and SEA in general. Where is the polite and controlled answer of last time ?

This attitude is sad. If you were not guilty you would defend yourself, you would never accept such an injustice to you and you would make all needed to prove us we were wrong. In fact you prefer to insult us to try to keep your face because you don't want anymore scrutiny on your games.

Go away, SEA don't want you anymore.

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	syfChadMann:	Agreed - gtfo map hacker.
	Ghost300:	I truly wish you the best in finding maphackers Nemo.
	nirvAnA:	exactly so much easier to defend yourself by posting the ladder replays then typing all that
	asdfSchnitzel:

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Ghost300

I have no desire to clear my account name from this list

OK kewl, goodbye forever.

[crAzerk]

Originally Posted by Ghost300

the entire list doesn't seem very credible to me anymore, even the ones that say "Confirmed blatant maphacker". How so sure? All the analysis seems to be like "Why did you make that move there, it looks really suspicious!!

'How so sure'? If you have actually bothered to click on the analysis or watched the replay yourself, you will see that the 'blatant maphack' cases are pretty straightforward cases of glancing into Fog of War, and not a 'odd decisions' kind of case.

I would have been glad to remove your name from the list if you had bothered to justify some of your actions (which seemed not justifiable by many), but instead you choose to come back and slam the community instead.

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nirvAnA:

[wTlzq]

Ghost300= xXGhostXx??

if thats so, he flamed me for opening 14pool15hatch against his nexus->gate->forge. ( which results in my 8 lings killing everything), while claiming that SEA players are cheesey assholes..made me laughed that game

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AxSGRiM: