[pikk0n]

Well, crazerk. Regardless. If I were to be lynched now, it wouldn't matter. The players will see my role and the mafia will still lose ONE member tomorrow which will help the rest of us significantly. This will help us see a nice pattern from the votes rather than the random patterns you stated.

As for a tie, you tried to stop a tie by switching your vote to Zergtastic yesterday because a Tie between a survivor and a mafia guarantees the survival of the mafia. That would have pinned you down even further. For once, a tie would have been beneficial. Also, the reason why I forced the tie is because no one died after the first night. The 2nd day was about randomly lynching people and if we can gain ANY information about the mafia, the only way was to force a tie. Having a tie would have been better than just randomly killing off a non-mafia.

I am not going to convince people that I'm a town, mafia or neutral aligned player. I can only say that I am NOT the professional or vigilantes. I am only going to convince my fellow players here that YOU are in fact a mafia and if you survive past today, you won't survive tomorrow.

As for the long post, the difference here compared to the other nights is you pulled out 4 names and unless you're a mafia, you'd be very careful which 4 names you pulled out otherwise you'd strike a mafia by accident.

If I were a mafia, I wouldn't need to accuse anyone of being the mafia since I wasn't in any danger of getting eliminated at all. Votes were 1 for everyone when I posted and you even voted for jackwong initially. If I were a mafia, I wouldn't be putting myself in the firing line so early. What I see from your post is a mafia panicking because he has been ousted. Sorry, crazerk but 5 mafia members' too many with 3 non-mafia deaths yesterday. You gave yourself away.

[crAzerk]

The 2nd day was about randomly lynching people and if we can gain ANY information about the mafia, the only way was to force a tie.

This just shows you failed to understand entirely what I've spent all game last game trying to explain. A tie tells nothing UNLESS a mafia dies from it. I've already explained this a dozen times, if you still don't get it I can't help it.

Either you don't get it, or you're deliberately trying to act blur and cause more confusion or something, I don't know. I don't know what your aim is trying to pin this on me if you're not Mafia, I guess we'll know if you die and your role is exposed.

As for the long post, the difference here compared to the other nights is you pulled out 4 names

Wrong again. If you even read the link that I provided, I DID talk about some people in particular in the previous post from previous game as well. In fact, I wasn't 100% accurate in my predictions anyway.

If I were a mafia, I wouldn't need to accuse anyone of being the mafia since I wasn't in any danger of getting eliminated at all.

Again flawed logic and entirely false. I was not Mafia last game, and I also put forth several names.
Neither did I 'accuse anyone of being Mafia' in the post you're referring to, just put out suggestions (same as previous game).

If I were a mafia, I wouldn't be putting myself in the firing line so early.

You clearly did not follow the previous game at all. That post was made at around the same time last game as it was this game. It's just the appropriate time. I like deducing. I like writing stuff like that It is a faulty leap of logic to conclude anything from just the fact that I posted (at night).


Your arguments would be alot more impressive if they had any semblance of truth in them. Unfortunately, they do not, and you are just firing blanks trying to pin something on me, with your faulty leaps of logic and half-truths (probably trying to persuade the cognitive misers in this group). Maybe you like doing this, to generate excitement or something, I've no idea.
I've no idea why you would do all this if you weren't Mafia.

[EveRorschach]

Vote for Crazerk thanks! Due to pikk0ns reasoning as well as being consistent! thanks benji

[Benji]

Changing my vote from craZerk to pikk0n

Please clarify, you had voted for pikk0n in your first post, do you want to change to craZerk?

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - Voted for pikk0n
3. pikk0n - Voted for craZerk
4. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - Voted for pikk0n
7. Skrawl - Voted for craZerk
8. pokerface - Voted for craZerk
9. Rorschach - Voted for craZerk
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for SONATA
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - Voted for craZerk
13. jackwong - Voted for craZerk
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for pikk0n
16. Zanderax - Voted for pikk0n
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - Voted for Screwby
20. SONATA - Voted for craZerk
21. Meatex - Voted for craZerk
22. Screwby

6 Votes for Crazerk
4 Votes for pikk0n
1 Vote for Dandelion
1 Vote for pokerface
1 Vote for Screwby
1 Vote for SONATA

[crAzerk]

Hi benji, I changed my vote to pikk0n thanks

[cruxis]

So, there's basically 2 sides here. Both accusing each other of being Mafia, with some nice lengthy posts.

While both sides raise some very valid points, I find that the quick jump in votes towards Crazerk awfully suspicious. So I'll side with Crazerk and Vote Pikkon.

[pikk0n]

Crazerk, you couldn't accuse anyone of being a mafia last game because none of the mafia came out as directly as you did so early in this round. By the time one mafia revealed himself, you were already killed. So comparing this round to last round would be futile.

As for the tie, would the professional survive or would a citizen survive? My bet will be the professional. A Mafia ALWAYS survives unless he is up against a fellow mafia in which case 2 mafia is revealed as was the case in round 2. If the professional had come across a fellow neutral or someone in an active role in a tie, then I'm guessing it's a coin toss but well, getting rid of another neutral wouldn't really hurt the town's chances unless it's the doctor.

I am garnering excitement at the moment because the mafia has revealed himself and we finally have an opportunity to get one which will assist in obtaining a voting pattern later in this game.

If I get lynched today, then the town/neutral loses 1 member tonight, that leaves 15 tomorrow with 5 mafia members working together. So your death either today or tomorrow will reveal the rest of your members solely by their votes because you'll be in the top 2 votes and the only way to save their fellow mafia is to vote for the same person the mafia votes for. My lynch today will reveal the names of the non-mafia (who voted for you) unless your mafia members have decided that you are a burden to them. To you guys lynching me, I hope you're prepared for the consequences when my role or crazerk's is revealed. So, either way there will be plenty of excitement for the rest of this round. Of course, there's the important neutral roles and it'd be interesting to see if they are siding with the mafia or the town.

I need to call out the mafia today because if I let this go on for 3 more days, the town has almost zero chance of winning with the votes going fully in the favour of the mafia (mafia having 5 members). Also, the arguments from day 2 will be void by then.

[AvPoker]

Change my vote to Crazerk.

[Benji]

Edited my above post to this point to reflect vote changes.

[crAzerk]

Crazerk, you couldn't accuse anyone of being a mafia last game

Still remaining obstinate and ignoring my major valid points.
I did not accuse anyone of being Mafia either game up till your lengthy accusation. I merely put forth suggestions. I haven't been able to deduce anything conclusively from previous posts, hence I did not want to be like you and make such a bold move. Maybe you felt the pressure from my post, (as I have mentioned) when I suggested your insistence on a tie was suspicious, I don't know. Only you know why you did what you did.

Now I know I am not Mafia, so if you were to launch such a strong attack against me, I can't think of any other reason besides you being Mafia.

So to those who have quickly jumped onto the bandwagon to vote me off, do know that you are putting big spotlights on yourself as being potential Mafia.
And for those who still have random votes, I urge you to vote for pikk0n, so at least if there's a tie and I get killed off, you'll know that pikk0n has been conjuring up stories all this while.

Still voting for pikk0n

[Paroxysm]

Best that we bring about a tie again, the tiebreaker can prove many things, I vote pikk0n

[pikk0n]

Parox, I'll gladly support your idea of going for the tie to be safe. Just remember that once my role is revealed, the mafia's role will be revealed too. Those who voted for crazerk would obviously not be mafia. And ONE of them might be the joker assuming of course I am not the joker. And for crazerk to defend himself TWICE, proves once and for all that he is NOT the joker. I will be lynched today in the event of a tie and crazerk will die tomorrow but the mafia will fall apart after that.

As long as this brings about the unraveling of the mafia, it'll be fun fun fun.

In the event of a tie, I'd be posting the names of people who voted for crazerk and they can be safely assumed to NOT be the mafia to help you guys after tomorrow. That should make the day lynching process after today to not be as hard if you find that my arguments against crazerk today aren't convincing enough.

In defence of myself, all I am going to say is that I am your biggest ally at the moment in terms of getting rid of the mafia seeing that more than half failed to see how obvious the mafia revealed himself yesterday. I will be gone after today in the event of a tie so how you find the mafia after today (assuming of course I survive hits from the mafia tonight) will be entirely up to you. If you agree with crazerk's deductions, it's fair enough but I only make these accusations when it is 100% confirmed that a player is a mafia. If I were to get lynched today, I will still give you the list before Benji kills me off. Either way, your mafia buddies are going down for trying to save you, crazerk.

[crAzerk]

You don't have to be posting anything pikk0n, Benji will post the list up as well.
But in the same note, if I do get lynched today and my (non-Mafia) role is shown, those who jumped on to vote for me so quickly will automatically have suspicion cast on them, along with pikk0n probably being lynched the next day.

In everyone's best interest, go for the tie now, and you'll see for yourself the stories that pikk0n has been falsely telling and who the real Mafia is.

[pikk0n]

Crazerk, the list that I'll give takes into account the ones who changed their votes unlike Benji's. You're now in favour forcing a tie. Another sign of inconsistency seeing that you were saying so strongly that ties mean nothing. The only thing that made you have a change in heart is because you know that since you're going down, it's best to bring me down during the day rather than waste the kill on me tonight.

Another item to add to the list. Seeing that there's only 1 vote left, I'd assume that all your mafia buds have voted. Also, I saw certain votes that were changed from you to me so they'd be assumed to be non-mafias. There are around 6 safe people excluding myself after today's votes.

[cruxis]

I think you're both citizens and the Mafia are lol'ing about this.

[pikk0n]

Cruxis, I think you're the joker.

[cruxis]

Come at me bro.

[pikk0n]

I have no full solid base for my argument on you being the joker just yet, cruxis. I shall dig around if I survive past tonight/day. At the moment, it's just a gut instinct.

[AvPoker]

Yeah I think Cruxis is the joker too. Don't lynch pikkon though, hes probably going to be vital to beating the mafia. Its not likely that he would be mafia if he wanted to force a tie.

[crAzerk]

Another sign of inconsistency seeing that you were saying so strongly that ties mean nothing.

I know what a tie means, but it seems like noone else understands it. So I might as well just go along with them if that's what it takes to get them to realize you're Mafia.

Don't waste your vote lynching a non-Mafia guys. Get pikk0n, if you don't believe I am not Mafia you can always get Informant to check me out.