[Dox]

6. I am aware this is a community site so I will not shamelessly advertise myself or attempt to make use of the community for personal gain

Quick Comments

	Peleus:	Can't quite bring myself to neg rep, but I still hate you for this :P
	ToR.Arnor:	for Peleus- just neg rep him, it doesnt mean anything
	Maynarde:	^ Nice one, jerk
	syfChadMann:	NEG REP DOX? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
	Sunset:	I DISLIKE FUN, PROBLEM SOLVED AND HYPE - HEAPS NEG REP
	Snx.FigJig:	Arnor trying too hard :(
	deL:	I +ve rep anything peleus and chris dislike
	FvRphoneheha:	DOX OH GOD NOT AGAIN
	iM tgun:	Two reasons: 1) Rep means nothing. 2) YAAAAAANG
	Zepph:
	xGKingdelete:
	Bash:	WAIT TGUN HAS REP BACK?!

[TAminimat]

Thats yang on the right

Quick Comments

	ToRVenom:	sure is
	neKo:	I thought it was you

[Maynarde]

God damned Dox hype threads T______T

Also yeah that's most definitely yang on the right I'd recognize that head shape anywhere! Who's the guy on the left though popped collar = Light?

[SLCN.CautioN]

A tad curious only a tad, nothing more :P

[eCKo`Switch]

Context for the unaware? Seems to be an announcement of an announcement of some kind :P

Dox=Jason Lake?

[ROCCAT_Savior]

Yang and that could be Light on the left?

[syfChadMann]

I'd say yang and light.. yeh.. but there is a third person.. bottom left.. as if they are sitting and the other two are standing.. you can kinda see a bent arm hold up their head.. so a group of people..

Also to picture is called i1 in Folder AA.. hmmm

HARDY BOYS! UNITE!

[ToR.Arnor]

Exciting stuff ^_^ who could they be? seems like we only have to wait 1 hour ^_^

[cRSenSei]

Light and Yang

GEEEGEEEE

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

looks like mafia. mafia and yang

Quick Comments

	ToR.Arnor:	I think this also :)
	Peleus:	mafia and yang had xGKing and SQL removed from their sc2sea names last night....
	Dox:	well spotted peleus!

[syfMiley]

Ah my old friend, so we meet again!

Quick Comments

	VoxMSI.Rogue:	LOL
	Dox:	your move!
	TAEdgE:	:)
	syfChadMann:	Have you got a raging clue MiLes?
	deL:	MiLes showed me his raging clue is was so big it took my breath away
	TABottles:

[syfChadMann]

Also, Sonic the Hedge Hog is some way involved.. can see him poking his head up on the bottom..

Quick Comments

	Sunset:	nV being bought by Nintendo - you win!
	Dox:	sunset wins

[syfMiley]

Relevance level: 2/10 but I thought I'd like to share this with those who haven't seen it.

Quick Comments

	ToR.Arnor:	Ladies and Gentlement I present iMyaaaaaaaang
	Dox:	More like 10/10
	Fenner:	rofl
	Maynarde:	Jerks like that always distracting commentators
	TAEdgE:	Maynizzle fiddling with his hair constantly
	nirvAnA:	LOL
	Mayo:
	TCPLemminks:	pretty good camera movement with only one hand ;)
	SLCN.CautioN:	TECHTRONN!!!
	Frogmite:	i am on this gif too

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Some dick just told me what this is.



Also Dox, im punching u in the dick at ACL melb for making another thread like this

Quick Comments

TAEdgE:

[Fenner]

looks like rotterdam and yang in the pic

Quick Comments

VoxMSI.Rogue:

******* rotterdam

[syfMiley]

Just piecing pictures together this is what I have so far.
Wild guess is invites for a tourney.

Quick Comments

	Maynarde:
	Snx.FigJig:

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by TAMiLes

Just piecing pictures together this is what I have so far.
Wild guess is invites for a tourney.

something to do with Dox asking for non Zerg's who would be capable of making top 8 at ACL regionals?

you may have something there

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

******* hell miles. you should be a detective

[Fenner]

Quick Comments

	Dox:	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	YUCK **** that is gross
	TheGentleman:	looks legit!
	MooZfY:	omg lol
	Snx.FigJig:	hahahah
	syfMiley:	My potatoshop skills have been bested
	Maynarde:	Mystery solved
	ROCCAT_Savior:	AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
	iM tgun:	The only time I'm repping because something is awesome
	Zepph:
	syfSoundwave:
	NOM:
	NvJazBas:	LOL
	nirvAnA:	LOL
	Frogmite:

[Dox]

Miles makes this so damn interesting.

[Sunset]

Someone Photoshop Miles as Inspector Gadget. Or Photoshop him as Penny next to Inspector Gadget.

I need this.

[syfMiley]

Dunno if it's the exact image but I think this is the original image of mr pop-pop over here




As suggested by Chadmann to check WCG NATS pictures first for Mafia instead of me just trolling around all of the facebooks.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...6761113&type=3
Link to album if anyone wants to reminisce

Quick Comments

	iM MaFia:	LOL pinder looks excited
	TAEdgE:	hahaha pinder

[syfChadMann]

Hardy boys are on it guys..

[ToRSpookToR]

yang wanted his SQL tags off his sc2sea account last night hmmm

Quick Comments

	Maynarde:	Sharp one
	zenabi:

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Spo0k

yang wanted his SQL tags off his sc2sea account last night hmmm

Notice Mafia's xGKing tags anymore?

Nv to pick up yang and Mafia?.. oooooOooOooOooo

[Mayo]

This is all for players who are about to be picked up by teams?

Maybe a couple of these guys got into iM and teknicity told me that yang is joining them

[Dox]

Originally Posted by Mayo

Mteknicity told me that yang is joining them

I bet they're thrilled by your discretion.

(Awkward)

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Mayo

This is all for players who are about to be picked up by teams?

Maybe a couple of these guys got into iM and teknicity told me that yang is joining them

Credible.. hmmm maybe there will be a 'Kespa' type thing in SEA and enforced player transfer windows thru out the year?.. Run by Dox.. Called Dragon-espa. you can only transfer players during the trasfer window.. and must announce the transfer in Dragon

'yang will be FUS RO DUH the teknicity esports with FAAHHYAHHH'..

gg...
Next clue dox.

Quick Comments

Peleus:

lol

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by Mayo

This is all for players who are about to be picked up by teams?

Maybe a couple of these guys got into iM and teknicity told me that yang is joining them

I do not remember saying this... It was on the cards and he sent an app in but I certainly never confirmed it.

[cRSenSei]

Maybe it's not for joining a team at all OoOooOOooOoooOooo...

Quick Comments

Mayo:

Woooooooooo

[Mayo]

It's all good because he's not.

No need to go passive aggressive on me, they are as cool as a cucumber about it.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by Mayo

It's all good because he's not.

No need to go passive aggressive on me, they are as cool as a cucumber about it.

There was no aggression intended, passive or otherwise. Just saying - going around putting words in teams' mouths isn't a great thing to do. :P

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Dox

There was no aggression intended, passive or otherwise. Just saying - going around putting words teams' mouths isn't a great thing to do. :P

Interesting, so in that case I doubt this pic has to do with some iM announcement as Dox wouldn't speak on their behalf....


So, joining Nv or tourny invites.....

[Bash]

"6. I am aware this is a community site so I will not shamelessly advertise myself or attempt to make use of the community for personal gain"

Not sure if clue, or just covering his ass.

[Insom]

so since the times are all fucked up, its not 2pm but it is

Spill the beans

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Bash

"6. I am aware this is a community site so I will not shamelessly advertise myself or attempt to make use of the community for personal gain"

Not sure if clue, or just covering his ass.

Originally Posted by Insom

so since the times are all fucked up, its not 2pm but it is

Spill the beans

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	LOL
	BAD.BiGbiRd:
	Sunset:	I laughed while I was taking a sip of water. THANKS.
	TAminimat:	your the best
	Dox:	love
	Bash:	that is just too good lol
	TASlowHands:	ROFL
	NvPinder:	Lmfao!
	NOM:	Pure genius
	TABottles:	:)
	Frogmite:	are you a wizard

[ROOT`iaguz]

God ****** dammit miles

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

God ****** dammit miles

;(

Quick Comments

	Dox:	omfg this LOL
	BAD.BiGbiRd:	You sir are amazing
	xGKingdelete:	LOL
	zenabi:
	TABottles:	i'm low on rep now
	TARane:

[TAminimat]

Dox cup 3?!!?!

[Dox]

[iM yang]

why the **** would you use my head

Quick Comments

TAminimat:

its a pretty head

[Snx.FigJig]

This thread reminds me of "Who's that Pokemon?"

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	haha
	NOM:	IT'S PIKACHUUUU!
	zenabi:	the best

[Dox]

Originally Posted by nRvPickleWeasel

This thread reminds me of "Who's that Pokemon?"

Quick Comments

	Snx.FigJig:	Oh my god Dox has recruited Chuck Norris and Batman
	FLuX:
	syfSoundwave:
	TABottles:

[Bash]

That pic is titled "i7" , so i'm thinking the "i" might be "invite"

Light? idk, i guessed yangs head immediately, but im not MiLes enough to guess that one.

Also the shape with the race logo's on it is almost definitely a star.... if that means anything.

[syfChadMann]

latest picture is called 'i7' maybe its a sponsorship by intel?.. this is about iM O___O

[cruxis]

There was a study done that revealed anything with an "i" in front of it will sell like hotcakes.

So it's probably just there to get all that Apple hype associated with it.

Quick Comments

Bash:

lol.

[nGenLight]

I don't pop my collar, I'm kinda more of the wear it down kind of guy. Tim though, always will style like a punkstar.

Quick Comments

Dox:

bahahaha punkstar :D

[ToR.Arnor]

3rd person I think is tgun, id recognize that lanky body anywhere

you tgun

[nGenLight]

Oh and I recognise that left silhouette miles away.

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by yaaaang

why the **** would you use my head

nice try PINDER [1]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

Oh and I recognise that left silhouette miles away.

Is it me?!



[1] Pinder kept throwing the Hardy Boys off the trail of the Nv announcement by saying he knew nothing about his silhouette and also saying that he would be pretty damn upset if the other ArchaicMSI boys joined a new team without him


edit:
We need to figure out who the new person is, it looks like they are wearing a bag.

So far we have:
- A star shape forming
- Light, Mafia, yang, mrbags
- Zerg and Protoss symbol.

Superstars!

Quick Comments

ToR.Arnor:

Guy on far right is Iaguz?

[Cute]

14:45 is only 4 minutes away!

[Dox]

Lookin' good Miles!

Quick Comments

deL:

TIGERBLOOD

[syfMiley]

Image URLS atm are
http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/AA/i1.png
http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/13571/i5.png
http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/222324/i7.png
Could hint at dates or other things.

Most recent image obviously shows the Terran symbol but looking into it some more to see what else there could be.

[deL]

I thought this was gonna be about zanooku but I was pleasantly surprised.

Quick Comments

Mayo:

[Jaywalk]

im readdddddy!

EDIT: dammit, fooled by the SC2SEA clock again

[nGenLight]

looks like a star, protoss up top, zerg bottom right, terran bottm left, yang repping protoss, new silhouette may be a zerg??

[nGenLight]

you sure its a bag? maybe targa's gut?

Quick Comments

	inFeZa:	below the belt
	|Erasmus|:	actually, im pretty sure that wouldn't actually be below his belt :p
	TAEdgE:
	NOM:

[nGenLight]

mate infeza, if targa couldnt handle a little thrashing he wouldnt be the troll that he is, he doesn't need u to put ur motherly wings around him

Quick Comments

	Dox:	i wanna stroke ur soft motherly feathers tho rayray
	inFeZa:	dont call me mate, buddy

[Dox]

Quick Comments

Bash:

99% sure thats a tgun.

[syfChadMann]

ez pz.. thats tgun.

but upside-down

Quick Comments

	Maynarde:	Roll your sleeves down champ
	Dox:	and what's tgun backwards...? NUGGET. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN
	Fourby:	no duck face, but there is a duck hand,, whyy

[syfMiley]

Aa
222324
13 5 7 1 = mega
16151920 = post

[inFeZa]

It's ACL's New format where each player is attached to a wheel then you throw a dart at the wheel while everyone is spinning and that is who you will play vs in the group stages. Also the wheel is shaped like a star for an added bonus.

Quick Comments

	syfMiley:	2legit2quit
	Maynarde:	STOP.... FeZza time
	nGenLight:	M A T E
	Dox:	can't argue that logic
	NOM:	Wheel of For...ACL

[Dox]

Quick Comments

	Bash:	glade +a vampire? O.o
	inFeZa:	obviously darth vader.

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Dox

Hello Mr Marthinsen and friend!

canceR/i8.png
Cancer= JUNE 22 - JULY 23

Something be happening gais!

Quick Comments

	Dox:	WTF
	inFeZa:	2 good
	Maynarde:	King of headshape silhouettes, he'd even notice mine
	iM yang:	wow miles
	nGenLight:	hahaha o shit i dont believe this insider trading for sure
	Stallion:	wow baws
	iM tgun:
	TAminimat:
	ToR.Arnor:	you may be onto something Light, but yeah <3 Miles regardless
	nirvAnA:	nice!
	TABottles:	omg

[Dox]

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Dox

http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/UnCleSam/i4.png

/UnCleSam = We want you?
Dox wants me?
Ohh yeahh guurl

[iM tgun]

I endorse this thread.

Quick Comments

Dox:

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by tgun

I endorse this thread.

Is it cause your guns are on it?

You got a permit for those cannons?

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Is it cause your guns are on it?

You got a permit for those cannons?

Any thread my guns aren't on isn't a thread at all.

[ToR.Arnor]

For those playing at Home



Note i8 hasnt been pasted yet :P

Quick Comments

	xGKingdelete:
	mGGNemesis:

[ETL.Santi]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

For those playing at Home



Note i8 hasnt been pasted yet :P

tgun, light, yang, targa

im so smart

*wtf guys how do you even know that...

Quick Comments

	syfMiley:	you got it all wrong
	inFeZa:	all wrong

[|Erasmus|]

Just felt like saying... the times on this images seem to be going clockwise... so the 3pm/3:30 etc probably fit that pattern, too (if we're struggling to work out where they fit)

[Dox]

Nice! How come you left out i8 though?

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by Dox

Nice! How come you left out i8 though?

I think it goes on the far left but cant be sure because the patterns dont seem to match O.o lets hope 4pm's reveal helps ^_^

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

I think it goes on the far left but cant be sure because the patterns dont seem to match O.o lets hope 4pm's reveal helps ^_^

Flip it horizontally and put it on the right. That's where it goes.

Time is reversed, and the blue and orange is on the right side of the star.

[ETL.Santi]

nice, finally we get to know whos the new iM team

Quick Comments

	cRSenSei:	iMtgun
	Dox:	iMTargA

[Dox]

[syfMiley]

Left and Right logo's as pointed out by Captain EdgE!

Originally Posted by Dox

Left is SenSei!
Right maybe Yoon, will have to look into it!

http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/JMcHale/i3.png
JMcHale is from Community.
It's a community tournament!

Quick Comments

Dox:

Yay! But what about the top and bottom?

[neKo]

You Tube

You Tube

[cRSenSei]

i got a raging clue right now

[ToR.Arnor]

Pretty sure the person next to SenSei is Ninja btw ^_^

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Pretty sure the person next to SenSei is Ninja btw ^_^

Yes he did that at ACL!

[inFeZa]

its the countdown to 2012.

[syfMiley]

Atm us hardy boys are gonna use deth as the filler for Mr 14:45 whilst we work on logo's

Quick Comments

NOM:

I'll marry that dude, he's cute.

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by TAMiLes

Atm us hardy boys are gonna use deth as the filler for Mr 14:45 whilst we work on logo's

Here you go hardy boys



SenSei, Ninja, tgun,EdgE, yaaaang, Iaguz, TargA and ?

8 person invitational? I mean this with no disrespect to theplayers but It looks like a "King of Kongs" style tournament

[TargA]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Here you go hardy boys



SenSei, Ninja, tgun,EdgE, yaaaang, Iaguz, TargA and ?

8 person invitational? I mean this with no disrespect to theplayers but It looks like a "King of Kongs" style tournament

everyone in SEA is a "kong" except for glade..

Quick Comments

syfSoundwave:

Damn you TargA don't steal my lines.

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by TargA

everyone in SEA is a "kong" except for glade..

yup and I dont see Glades pic here :P

[|Erasmus|]

Does that mean Mr 17:00 is not ninja, but someone from cR, since sensei and targa are so conveniently located next to their team logos?

[inFeZa]

far right a girl?

Quick Comments

Maynarde:

Or iaguz / Maynarde

[nGenLight]

oh i see myself........ ??? xD

Quick Comments

Dox:

[SanG]

So, no terrans in iM? T.T

[ToR.Arnor]

who? the punkstar

Quick Comments

	Dox:	yeh gurl pop dat collar
	nGenLight:	CUTE ME OFF THAT PIC PLZ EWWWWWW
	nirvAnA:	HAHAHA GUILTY AS CHARGED!!
	MooZfY:

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

iaguz: THIS IS NOT Mjölnir!!!

[nGenLight]

guy next to yang still isnt me chris... he shld be obvious!!!!

Quick Comments

Bash:

possible pig? his tt jacket has quite the collar.

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

guy next to yang still isnt me chris... he shld be obvious!!!!

Maybe he should.. phone a friend!

Quick Comments

	Maynarde:	Is that GSL on your pants or are you happy to see us
	NOM:	God damn it Miles, take all my rep points

[ROOT`iaguz]

Arnor's picture completely destroys Ray's position that he is not a collar popped up kind of guy

Quick Comments

	ToR.Arnor:	BOOM
	nGenLight:	wotever faggots
	Dox:	LOL
	Bash:

[Dox]

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Dox

Wondering if the bottom image is the sequential logo.

Still unsure of other logo's though.
http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/FetaGenre/i6.png
"FetaGenre" dat cheese genre

Quick Comments

zenabi:

you are too good at this

[|Erasmus|]

oh yeah, i spy a sequential gaming logo there...

EDIT: bloody miles posting between opening this thread and replying... :/

[x5_Potter]

The little logo at the top of the first picture looks like the bottom of the star on top of the Immunity logo kinda.

Quick Comments

syfMiley:

For Dox!

[ToR.Arnor]

Im gonna say the numbers in the last piece mean nothing bar the "1800" which will be the "reveal" time of the next piece (6pm)

[Dox]

Apparently I've given out too much rep in the last 24 hours so in response to Potthead's post:

[JoFritzMD]

I'm confused as to why I don't see myself in there :S

Also, popped collar guy is obviously Flash. In every pic I see of him he's always popped collar. Hair style suits too.

[Dox]

5 minutes early, but hey what the hell!

Quick Comments

	syfMiley:	Ohh that touches me on the g-spot
	Baldie:	That is one sick race logo merge
	mGGNemesis:

[syfMiley]

It's all coming together

[|Erasmus|]

bottom left logo looks kinda like the pattern on the xG shirts, just inverted. I guess this is in place of a proper logo for the xG team...

[Another]

the shape on the right is protoss symbol, the pictures of light/yang + this

[Another]

also the shapes up top left are koru's a native plant to NZ, and big with maoris. something to do with jaz?

EDIT: are you sure?

Quick Comments

	syfMiley:	no
	ROOTPetraeus:	leave jamie alone :(

[SanG]

Urghghh U bloody tease DOX

[Dox]

Originally Posted by cRSanG

Urghghh U bloody tease DOX

Not teasing anything, all the info has been delivered!

Quick Comments

	Another:	dick
	SanG:	URGHGHHLHFSLIFLKHAasdf

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Originally Posted by cRSanG

Urghghh U bloody tease DOX

this coming from the guy who moons me on skype.

Quick Comments

	Fenner:
	Another:	i dont know why i expected a normal comment from you
	TABottles:

[syfMiley]

Here's what we got combined.


-Not 100% sure about Light or iaguz

[5:42:00 PM] rAY^: have u found me yet
[5:44:34 PM] rAY^: hint
[5:44:40 PM] rAY^: i wear clothes that show off my body shape

-This made me pick the picture of him eating something messy because he wouldn't want to get his really nice asian clothes dirty.

http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/222324/i7.png
-These URL hint at dates.
http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/canceR/i8.png
-Cancer= JUNE 22 - JULY 23

-June 22,23,24 is a weekend so that would be a viable date for a tournament.

http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/UnCleSam/i4.png
-Uncle Sam and his quote "we need you"
-This event needs us? the community?
-Australian flag and JMchale url hints at a COMMUNITY Australian Tournament and these are the invites.
-In the last picture the URL was http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/EightMoreLeft/i9.png
-8 more invites left

Quick Comments

	MooZfY:	Well done..
	TAriiChard:	LOL HARDY BOYS!
	ToRSpartaz:	Sexy sexy man
	Another:	wow nice, dox cup3?
	ROOTPetraeus:	o_o ex secret agent

[Dox]

Miles, you've done it again.

Quick Comments

TAriiChard:

is it all correct?

[Stallion]

Miles you are actually amazing at this. Are you secretly a detective? or a mad scientist? or an evil villian of sometype so that you somehow understand all these cryptic clues?

Well done

[ToR.Arnor]

Also note here:

http://www.sc2sea.com/blogs/showentr...&cutoffdate=30

June 22nd-24th is a blacked out block O.o

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Also note here:

http://www.sc2sea.com/blogs/showentr...&cutoffdate=30

June 22nd-24th is a blacked out block O.o

theres also something in august ^_^ hopefully another thread of entertaining clues and watching miles figure them out like a sherlock holmes book.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by SQL.Stallion

hopefully another thread of entertaining clues and watching miles figure them out like a sherlock holmes book.

Nah, I don't plan on doing any more of these. At least not for a few years.

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by Dox

Nah, I don't plan on doing any more of these. At least not for a few years.

T_T this makes me sad i enjoyed reading these

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by SQL.Stallion

theres also something in august ^_^ hopefully another thread of entertaining clues and watching miles figure them out like a sherlock holmes book.

Pretty sure the august weekend is for WCS Nationals (and/or Oceania) based off infeza mentioning he is coming to Sydney in August

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Pretty sure the august weekend is for WCS Nationals (and/or Oceania) based off infeza mentioning he is coming to Sydney in August

o sweet hopefully see you there

Quick Comments

ROOTPetraeus:

he says with confidence

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by SQL.Stallion

o sweet hopefully see you there

if it is indeed those 3 days then unfortunately I will be in Germany/ the Netherlands

[Another]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Pretty sure the august weekend is for WCS Nationals (and/or Oceania) based off infeza mentioning he is coming to Sydney in August

it makes more sense for WCS to be a 3 day event while this could easily be a 1day event as i assume itll be online? so could be july first? or after august

[Dox]

I'm glad there are a few people out there who enjoy the mysteries, but I think the overall reception isn't quite as positive. :P

Quick Comments

	Stallion:	thank you kindly sir :)
	ToRSpartaz:	Its frustrating in terms of the wait, the mystery can be fun ;D
	TAEdgE:	how people complain about an 8 hour wait is beyond me
	Maynarde:	I think they're kewl - number of thread views says people agree
	syfChadMann:	..|.. to the haters.
	TAminimat:	..|.. indeed, announce it however you like :D
	|Erasmus|:	To be fair, this one is much more to my style cause it's not dragged out for days.
	Jaywalk:	always fun to read :)
	mGGNemesis:

[TCPLemminks]

so the flag is Aus and Sg?
so SEA team league?

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by TCPLemminks

so the flag is Aus and Sg?
so SEA team league?

Just curious, how is it Sg?

[deL]

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Loach:

So relevant

[Dox]

That's doing all sorts of weird and unexpected things to me

[inFeZa]

i think we should have a dox and miles charades game at ACL on stream.

[x5_Bard]

While we are on the topic of relevance

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TABottles:

lol wtf

[syfMiley]

Hooray

+ Show +

Originally Posted by Bard

While we are on the topic of relevance

I see your fresh prince and I raise a DMX

You Tube

You Tube

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TABottles:

LOL why are these so funny

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by Bard

While we are on the topic of relevance

I prefer this one...

You Tube

You Tube

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[Dox]

16 of Australia's best StarCraft 2 players will go head to head over the weekend of June 22nd - 24th, where they'll be battling it out online for over $4,500 in cash and prizes. I'm pleased to reveal the first 8 of these invited participants. The other 8 will be revealed very soon, along with the official event announcement. Keep an eye on the news for all the details.

Light (xG)
tgun (GoSu)
iaguz (xG)
yang (iM)
TargA (Mf)
Rossi (Nv)
SenSei (cR)
MaFia (iM)

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	SanG:	FINALLY bloody tease
	TAminimat:
	syfMiley:	See you in a few years mate!
	nirvAnA:	sick prize pool!
	TheGentleman:	ah, finally!
	syfChadMann:	sensual
	VoxMSI.Rogue:
	iM tgun:	You mean I'm not part of iMxGKingNv? LIAR!
	FSBenAD:
	Mayo:
	mGGNemesis:
	asdfSchnitzel:

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by Dox

16 of Australia's best StarCraft 2 players will go head to head over the weekend of June 22nd - 24th, where they'll be battling it out online for over $4,500 in cash and prizes. I'm pleased to reveal the first 8 of these invited participants. The other 8 will be revealed very soon, along with the official event announcement. Keep an eye on the news for all the details.

Light (xG)
tgun (GoSu)
iaguz (xG)
yang
TargA (Mf)
Rossi (Nv)
SenSei (cR)
MaFia (iM)

Sounds great! There's definately a bunch of other guys who can match it with this lot, look forward to hearing who the last 8 are!

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xGKingdelete:

[deL]

Let it be known that I accept my invite, Dox. Must have been filtered as spam cos I don't see it in my inbox.

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TAminimat:

[x5_Bard]

Thank god you didnt post the 50 cent version...

[syfSoundwave]

Go go tgun! He needs to win so he can get money to go back to Korea.

[Dox]

Oh yeah, you guys are more than welcome to speculate on who the other 8 players are!

[UHF]

Originally Posted by Dox

Oh yeah, you guys are more than welcome to speculate on who the other 8 players are!

TWO CAN PLAY YOUR GAME DOX. My first guess, in relevant puzzle form.

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	ToR.Arnor:	Glade? ^_^
	NvPinder:	lmfao!
	xGKingdelete:

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by UHF

TWO CAN PLAY YOUR GAME DOX. My first guess, in relevant puzzle form.

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NvRossi:

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by UHF

TWO CAN PLAY YOUR GAME DOX. My first guess, in relevant puzzle form.
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4520/gladethe13th.jpg

I WANT TO PLAY AS WELL.


My one and only guess!

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	Mayo:
	NOM:
	asdfSchnitzel:	YAY!
	xGKingdelete:	ah man
	TAavanar:	OUR BOY!

[ROOT`iaguz]

Obviously not glade because he is unpopular and completely terrible at Starcraft.

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	Dox:	yeah **** that guy
	|Erasmus|:	wait, who are we talking about?
	Mayo:	I thought he quit after his pro Red Alert Career?

[iM MaFia]

glade, ninja, pig, deth, pinder, edge, yoon, pokerface

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ToRVenom:

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Mafia

glade, ninja, pig, deth, pinder, edge, yoon, pokerface

Dox was asking about players of particular races.. so I'm guessing he is looking for race balance in his invites...?

[Dox]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Dox was asking about players of particular races.. so I'm guessing he is looking for race balance in his invites...?

Yep, most definitely. No more "Top 8 ZvZ" brackets, tyvm!

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Asrathiel:

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Dox

Yep, most definitely. No more "Top 8 ZvZ" brackets, tyvm!

You sir are quite the gentleman, and some may also say you are a scholar.

[Another]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Dox was asking about players of particular races.. so I'm guessing he is looking for race balance in his invites...?

i dont think theres enough protoss in SEA for a strong represnetation as a third of 16

[iM MaFia]

ya but it wont stop all zergs top 4

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	Mayo:
	xGKingdelete:	sad but true

[Dox]

Originally Posted by Mafia

ya but it wont stop all zergs top 4

I'm okay with that. As long as we see some decent representation along the way.

[cRSenSei]

glade, pig, deth, pinder, edge, yoon, delete, fourby

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	Another:	hmmm maybe a 5th protoss instead of so many zerg/terran?
	iM yang:	2+3 = 5
	syfChadMann:	2+3=4!!

[cRSenSei]

IrisAnother: hmmm maybe a 5th protoss instead of so many zerg/terran?

That is 6 Protoss: Me, Light, Yang, Pinder, Delete, Fourby

Could only think of 4 top SEA terrans though: Deth, Iaguz, Rossi, Yoon

Might replace a zerg with a terran, but i couldn't think who.

[Another]

oh thought fourby was different race, 5 toss sounds good : ) hmmm i think its inevitable theres going to be like 7-8 zergs

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cRSenSei:

[Fourby]

Originally Posted by IrisAnother

oh thought fourby was different race, 5 toss sounds good : ) hmmm i think its inevitable theres going to be like 7-8 zergs

How DARE you. ..l..

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Another:

i will never forget again !

[syfChadMann]

I'm going to go with 5 Protoss 5 Terran and 6 Zerg?.. maybe 4 6 and 6..
we already have:

Originally Posted by Dox

Light (xG)
tgun (GoSu)
iaguz (xG)
yang
TargA (Mf)
Rossi (Nv)
SenSei (cR)
MaFia

Which equates to, 3 Zerg, 2 Terran and 3 Protoss...
so who are the next 3 Zergs? I think; ninja, edge and moonglade...
another 3 Terrans? Yoon, deth and
3 more Protoss: delete, fourby and Pinder
hmm.. All Australian tho.. who can they be

[ToR.Arnor]

My Guess for final 8 ^_^

Pinder (Nv)
Ninja (SQL)
Yoon (Nv)
mOOnGLaDe (Nv)
Deth (Nv)
TtPiG (Tt)
pokerface (xG)
Filthy

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	iM yang:	i think HuK will be the last random player
	cRSenSei:	sorry no!

[cRSenSei]

Light (xG)
tgun (GoSu)
iaguz (xG)
yang
TargA (Mf)
Rossi (Nv)
SenSei (cR)
MaFia
Fourby (cR)
PiG
Ninja (SQL)
Deth (Nv)
Yoon (Nv)
mOOnGLaDe (Nv)
Delete (SQL)
EdgE (cR)

FINAL

[syfChadMann]

I agree with SenSei,
but..
-delete
+ninja

[Dox]

I'm not gonna confirm or deny anything until I've published the remaining 8 players, but I will say this:

I did not invite all of the Nv players.

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cRSenSei:

fixed list for you

[Another]

is it aus only? if not surely jaz will get an invite?

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by IrisAnother

is it aus only? if not surely jaz will get an invite?

Originally Posted by Dox

16 of Australia's best StarCraft 2 players will go head to head

I assume it is Australian players only.

[Another]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

I assume it is Australian players only.

whats the reasoning behind that? its all online, and imo a lot more nz people would watch if jaz was playing

sorry im used to TL where it quotes inside a quote, was talking to Dox as you quoted him

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syfChadMann:

don't ask me man.. not my tournament.

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

I assume it is Australian players only.

Remember that old saying

is only a country until we decide to take it

[inFeZa]

is it justin bieber?

[ToRSpookToR]

Sang!!!10char

[Dox]

FXOpen just announced their qualifier dates for invitational series #6. One of the two SEA qualifiers literally overlaps this event down to the exact starting time. This is yet again, another reason why people should ******* talk to eachother before they go around announcing shit.

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Mayo:

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Dox

FXOpen just announced their qualifier dates for invitational series #6. One of the two SEA qualifiers literally overlaps this event down to the exact starting time. This is yet again, another reason why people should ******* talk to eachother before they go around announcing shit.

tell them to move their shit or no one is going - NO ONE FUCKS WITH DOX'S TOURNAMENT.

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Stallion:

indeed

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by Dox

FXOpen just announced their qualifier dates for invitational series #6. One of the two SEA qualifiers literally overlaps this event down to the exact starting time. This is yet again, another reason why people should ******* talk to eachother before they go around announcing shit.

Boycot FXO ? :P

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Dox

FXOpen just announced their qualifier dates for invitational series #6. One of the two SEA qualifiers literally overlaps this event down to the exact starting time. This is yet again, another reason why people should ******* talk to eachother before they go around announcing shit.

I was ******** talking to people about our event, Nirvana will back me up that was actively looking for a time so that it wasn't clashing with anything, I was setting up our stuff with playhem a few days before announcing so I had to go with what nirvana had told me since you weren't online.

You have me on skype, you have frequency on skype for fucks sake talk to us instead of getting on forums and complaining like a child. It's only a qualifier do you really think there was no way I wouldn't change it?

I was already in the process of seeing when my staff were available so I could change the date after I saw your post on TL, If you log into skype you will also see I left you a message about it over a day ago.

this is yet again, another reason why people should ******* talk to eachother

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	syfMiley:	come on mate
	TAminimat:	gotta agree with unstable here
	NOM:	It's just miscommunication no need to flame.

[Fourby]

what is an fxo?

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by cRFourby

what is an fxo?

A dyslexic fox.

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	Champi:	Dyxlestic fox ***
	Mayo:

[Pandan]

A company owned by a guy who publicly tweets that he will turnover > 1 billion us dollars in 2012 on eSports.

i.e. the product of a batshit lunatic, and something I try to ignore

[frequency]

Originally Posted by Pandan

A company owned by a guy who publicly tweets that he will turnover > 1 billion us dollars in 2012 on eSports.

i.e. the product of a batshit lunatic, and something I try to ignore

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[deL]

Maybe if someone didn't release their tourney details in a series of cryptic images someone else would know when the event is

EDIT: looks like he is moving it anyway http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...c_id=341401#19

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	Peleus:	lol
	Fourby:	some noob lol
	Bash:	lol
	iVnStinger:	hahaha

[dippa]

Originally Posted by Unstable

I was ******** talking to people about our event, Nirvana will back me up that was actively looking for a time so that it wasn't clashing with anything, I was setting up our stuff with playhem a few days before announcing so I had to go with what nirvana had told me since you weren't online.

Didn't Dox put together a Google spreadsheet calendar for tournament admins and organisers so this shit didn't happen?

http://www.sc2sea.com/blogs/showentr...&cutoffdate=30

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by dippa

Didn't Dox put together a Google spreadsheet calendar for tournament admins and organisers so this shit didn't happen?

http://www.sc2sea.com/blogs/showentr...&cutoffdate=30

I was not informed of this document by anyone while I was probing around, It's also in a hard to find place along with the weekend is grayed out, that doesnt help anyone.

I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I did what I could with the resources I had at the time and I am moving the qualifier I just don't know where to yet, My issue is dox knows where and how to contact me but instead decided to complain on forums.

[iM tgun]

I like where this thread is going

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inFeZa:

banned. you cant use that pic

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by tgun

I like where this thread is going

[inFeZa]

Hey dox - its okay bro - its an invitational

[Dox]

Summary: Unstable comes in, abuses me, calls me a child and gets angry at me because he chose to speak to nirvAnA instead of me. Bravo. Very professional image you're projecting on behalf of FXO.

How does the weekend being grayed out "not help anyone?" It shows that the entire weekend is booked out for events, so it's probably not a good idea to schedule anything on those days. What more information do you need?

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Dox

Summary: Unstable comes in, abuses me, calls me a child and gets angry at me because he chose to speak to nirvAnA instead of me. Bravo. Very professional image you're projecting on behalf of FXO.

How does the weekend being grayed out "not help anyone?" It shows that the entire weekend is booked out for events, so it's probably not a good idea to schedule anything on those days. What more information do you need?

Where in my post did I say I was angry at you because I chose to speak to nirvana? I said I spoke to him because you were unavailable so I went with the information I had available to me which caused the clash which I immediately rectified once it became known to me.

I called you a child because you instantly ran to a forum to bitch and complain when you had far more mature options available to you but you chose to ignore them and stir up drama instead. Just like now when you tried to change the entire context of my post.

I even clarified that in my post responding to dippa when he linked me to the spreadsheet.about why I responded in that fashion.

Coming in, using a "summary" that summarizes completely false information to try and dodge anything... really dox? I expect more from you

Greyed out what more could you need? ok lets start with

- Was it a small scale lan?
- Was it a AU or NZ etc only event?
- Was it a qualifier for a different event like TSL quals?
- Was it a only gold/play/masters etc event?
- Was it a small prize pool online event?
- Was it starting at a regular time or different to normal?
- Was it a multiple day big event or 3 smaller ones broken up?

These are all factors that need to be taken into consideration when you are planning events because some you can schedule at the same time without conflict and some you cant, the time of the event also makes a big decision in everything.

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	Nandos:	great post
	NDG.Stitch:	yep i have to agree with all of this
	zenabi:

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Unstable

Where in my post did I say I was angry at you because I chose to speak to nirvana? I said I spoke to him because you were unavailable so I went with the information I had available to me which caused the clash which I immediately rectified once it became known to me.

I called you a child because you instantly ran to a forum to bitch and complain when you had far more mature options available to you but you chose to ignore them and stir up drama instead. Just like now when you tried to change the entire context of my post.

I even clarified that in my post responding to dippa when he linked me to the spreadsheet.about why I responded in that fashion.

Coming in, using a "summary" that summarizes completely false information to try and dodge anything... really dox? I expect more from you

Greyed out what more could you need? ok lets start with

- Was it a small scale lan?
- Was it a AU or NZ etc only event?
- Was it a qualifier for a different event like TSL quals?
- Was it a only gold/play/masters etc event?
- Was it a small prize pool online event?
- Was it starting at a regular time or different to normal?
- Was it a multiple day big event or 3 smaller ones broken up?

These are all factors that need to be taken into consideration when you are planning events because some you can schedule at the same time without conflict and some you cant, the time of the event also makes a big decision in everything.

Calm down kiddo, you gotta stop pointing fingers at people.
I am so disappoint

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	Nandos:	It wasn't him who started pointing fingers
	ToR.Arnor:	no need to add fuel mate
	NDG.Stitch:	go read mannn
	syfChadMann:
	Unstable:	Pointing fingers? this started with dox flaming on here instead of a simple PM "hey can u change your qualifier date it clashes with my thing"
	inFeZa:	very dissapoint
	NvRossi:	shut the **** up miles

[nirvAnA]

Yes, unstable did talk to me, I told him all weekends were probably going to busy till july. But to be fair FXO didn't have much flexibility with their dates to play around with so a clash with one of the tournaments on the weekends was inevitable and i guess he chose the grayed out one because he didn't know how massive in prizes it was going to be?

I'm just glad that dox who had the flexibility to work with managed to move dates.

edit: I was also unaware of the magnitude of the grayed out event. had I known it was so massive it would have rang a bell and i would have told unstable. i basically told him what i knew, the next 3 weekends were acl / gigabyte qualifiers, and there was eve cup #2 and masters cup to look out for as well.

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Dox:

read his post? he clearly said he didn't know the spreadsheet existed

[BaKaiNu]

I'm going to step in now, and say: MOVE IT TO PMs!

Damage is already done, and rectified.

Now settle your differences elsewhere.

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	iM tgun:	But.. but... I want entertainment
	NOM:	Your new name is Atamagaii inu. This post contains no baka.
	inFeZa:	just ******* BAN THEM ALL ^_^
	nirvAnA:
	Mayo:
	SLCN.NXZ:	Smart dog, not stupid!
	ROOTPetraeus:	bakaaaaaaaa

[Peleus]

I agree with Baka, I don't like it when mummy and daddy fight.

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	NOM:	It's more of a 3-way.
	inFeZa:	hawt

[Pandan]

So that's now 2 events (in a row) that Nirvana had prior knowledge of both and somehow 'forgot' or it was 'too hard' to avoid a conflict.

Maybe you should sub-contract out your managerial skills to someone with some ability to talk with other people, or hell, maybe even someone competence?

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	Snx.FigJig:	no
	ROOTPetraeus:	go die
	Bash:	doesnt work like that
	TheGentleman:	You have been warned for this post, that's good enough for me. @IrisPetraeus: idc how much you disagree with a post there's nothing funny about the sentiment "go die".
	inFeZa:	this does not deserve a warning.
	dee:	you need serious help

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Pandan

So that's now 2 events (in a row) that Nirvana had prior knowledge of both and somehow 'forgot' or it was 'too hard' to avoid a conflict.

Maybe you should sub-contract out your managerial skills to someone with some ability to talk with other people, or hell, maybe even some competence?

Calm the **** down kid. You're expecting him to be able to keep track of every event running the SEA scene without fail? Are you kidding me? **** off.

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	Pandan:	I do not, but I expect him to do better when he knows of conflicts
	TAEdgE:	flipped coin]

[x5_Potter]

Nirv runs a SEA community site, not the entire server.

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	Frogmite:	yeap
	nirvAnA:	exactly lol
	Another:

[Pandan]

He even admits to having prior knowledge both times.

He knows both sides of the fence, and doesn't direct those two sides to discuss - he just personally decides "its too hard" and gives up.

That is fucked, imo

EDIT: What I'm really saying - is that after the GIGABYTE conflict, which I can believe was an honest mistake, you would think efforts would be put in place to prevent it from happening again; but that's not the case. Literally the exact same thing happened again, with Nirvana telling the other person to reschedule. He could have just opened communications between both event organisers both times - didn't event try on either until after announcements were made...

I don't care how nice a guy Nirvana is (or whatever bandwagon you want to get on), both of these conflicts could have been prevented, or AT LEAST COMMUNICATED by Nirvana to both parties and resolved the issue before it became one. He CHOSE not to do anything and then told the party he didn't communicate to reschedule on both occasions.

That, and ONLY THAT, is why I believe he either doesn't care, or is incompetent.


EDIT2: Rest assured if Vanzr or Dox did this, I would give them the same amount of criticism. I'm sure they can both vouch on the occasions that I've told them before...

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	FaDeBadger:	**** off
	Snx.FigJig:	go away
	Another:	dude.
	ToRVenom:	silly
	dee:	go back to CS where you belong

[Pandan]

[3:22 PM] TAminimat:
i dont really see the problem with events clashing..
[3:22 PM] TAminimat:
just causes the organisers to be more competitive
[3:22 PM] deneb has just replied to the thread Masters Cup Sun 3rd June! $10 prize just for joining
[3:22 PM] Pandan:
If it can 100% be avoided, then I just see it as harming the scene
[3:22 PM] Pandan:
big pet peeve of mine
[3:23 PM] UHF:
its more of an issue here than most other places as our scene is smaller
[3:23 PM] Pandan:
^
[3:23 PM] UHF:
although, it just means lesser names have a better chance of winning
[3:23 PM] UHF:
which isn't really a problem
[3:23 PM] yaaaang:
in a purely competitive environment that makes sense
[3:24 PM] Pandan:
no the problem is 2 events with 40 people > 1 event with 100?
[3:24 PM] Pandan:
When they are online, i think thats a problem
[3:24 PM] Pandan:
what sponsor is going to give decent money to 40 people
[3:24 PM] TAminimat:
how many weekends do you think are in every month tho
[3:24 PM] Pandan:
when he can give the same amount to 100 and get wider reach?
[3:25 PM] Pandan:
You can choose to clash with so many things
[3:25 PM] Pandan:
choosing to clash with the biggest one twice in a row
[3:25 PM] Pandan:
is just retarded
[3:25 PM] Pandan:
the GIGABYTE thing could have had SHITLOADS of people attend
[3:25 PM] SC2SEA StreamBot:
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[3:25 PM] TAminimat:
so your saying clash with anyone just not the events im affiliated with
[3:25 PM] Pandan:
now it will get considerably less because people MUST attend ACL for wcs
[3:25 PM] Pandan:
I'm not affiliated with ACL, fyi
[3:26 PM] coolbeans has just replied to the thread Whats Your Gaming Gear?
[3:26 PM] Pandan:
my point is, both ACL and GIGABYTE could have BOTH had much higher attendance, but now both are vultured
[3:26 PM] yaaaang:
oh pandan
[3:26 PM] yaaaang:
you so crazy
[3:26 PM] Pandan:
and will receive a lower ROI for sponsors
[3:26 PM] TAminimat:
its a ******* good thing lol
[3:27 PM] Pandan:
how is sponsors wanting to spend less money a good thing?
[3:27 PM] yaaaang:
how is it a good thing that two big events are held on the same weekend
[3:27 PM] Pandan:
its vulturing the scene
[3:27 PM] TAminimat:
it will make both parties get more competitive?
[3:27 PM] Pandan:
if those events were on back to back events, they would have way higher attendance and sponsors would LOVE it
[3:27 PM] cR.ChadMann:
yeah minimat - Pandan is right.. shhh.
[3:27 PM] Pandan:
there is no 'competitive' they dont compete
[3:27 PM] Pandan:
if you want to go to wcs you go to ACL
[3:28 PM] Pandan:
end of story
[3:28 PM] Pandan:
therefore less go to GIGABYTE
[3:28 PM] Pandan:
thats BADDDD

From chatbox


EDIT: @Bash rep: I have a bad habit of saying some dick-ish things whilst on the route of making my point. I still strongly believe in my point, but perhaps I shouldn't have jumped @ Nirvana so hastily

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	Bash:	i dont agree with some of what you say, but that conversation makes perfect sense.
	Bloodmyst:	Go back to CS :)
	TAEdgE:	This site has ******* awful rep comments

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Pandan

From chatbox


EDIT: @Bash rep: I have a bad habit of saying some dick-ish things whilst on the route of making my point. I still strongly believe in my point, but perhaps I shouldn't have jumped @ Nirvana so hastily

This quote is about as relevant as me calling your skill in SC2 in question.

Originally Posted by Pandan

He even admits to having prior knowledge both times.

He knows both sides of the fence, and doesn't direct those two sides to discuss - he just personally decides "its too hard" and gives up.

That is fucked, imo

EDIT: What I'm really saying - is that after the GIGABYTE conflict, which I can believe was an honest mistake, you would think efforts would be put in place to prevent it from happening again; but that's not the case. Literally the exact same thing happened again, with Nirvana telling the other person to reschedule. He could have just opened communications between both event organisers both times - didn't event try on either until after announcements were made...

I don't care how nice a guy Nirvana is (or whatever bandwagon you want to get on), both of these conflicts could have been prevented, or AT LEAST COMMUNICATED by Nirvana to both parties and resolved the issue before it became one. He CHOSE not to do anything and then told the party he didn't communicate to reschedule on both occasions.

That, and ONLY THAT, is why I believe he either doesn't care, or is incompetent.


EDIT2: Rest assured if Vanzr or Dox did this, I would give them the same amount of criticism. I'm sure they can both vouch on the occasions that I've told them before...

Again, you're thinking that Nirvana runs every tournament. This is either just extremely misguided or your mentally challenged. You're lashing out at a person who is the owner of a community site -- not talking to the guy who is running the ******* tournament. Nirvana isn't the guy that every tournament organizer goes to pre-tournament and says "Yes you can run this at x date, no you can't, etc..". It's not his fault.

The sad thing is I agree that having both tournaments is bad, but deadset mate, you're so far off base with your comments it's not funny.

[Pandan]

Considering he was approached and did discuss prior to the events being announced (his words), yes I do believe he is in a position of power and responsibility, and he didn't act accordingly.

If Dox was told about a huge competition that had $50k first place and it was on the WCS finals date, and didn't either a) attempt to convince them to reschedule or b) advise those running the WCS - I would see him in fault in THE EXACT SAME WAY.

If Nirvana misspoke when he said he discussed with both of these event organisers prior to their announcements, then it wouldn't be a big deal - but he has personally said he spoke with both of these last two conflicting event organisers and the person(s) who needed to know (Dox, ACL) was left out of the loop both times.

I feel that someone in a leadership role in the community has a responsibility to prevent this from happening, then they can. If they don't have time - all they need to do is inform or even redirect the query to someone else. Simply guessing is not good enough (imo)

This quote is about as relevant as me calling your skill in SC2 in question

As much as it is in me calling your skill in any other non-SC2 game in question? Silly insult there...
My quote is entirely relevant as it demonstrates the consequences of making these mistakes.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Pandan

Considering he was approached and did discuss prior to the events being announced (his words), yes I do believe he is in a position of power and responsibility, and he didn't act accordingly.

If Dox was told about a huge competition that had $50k first place and it was on the WCS finals date, and didn't either a) attempt to convince them to reschedule or b) advise those running the WCS - I would see him in fault in THE EXACT SAME WAY.

If Nirvana misspoke when he said he discussed with both of these event organisers prior to their announcements, then it wouldn't be a big deal - but he has personally said he spoke with both of these last two conflicting event organisers and the person(s) who needed to know (Dox, ACL) was left out of the loop both times.

I feel that someone in a leadership role in the community has a responsibility to prevent this from happening, then they can. If they don't have time - all they need to do is inform or even redirect the query to someone else. Simply guessing is not good enough (imo)

He can be approached / discuss it all he wants. Again, it isn't Nirvanas fault. You seem to not be able to comprehend this -- he runs a community site, aimed at bringing people together in the SEA scene for SC2 (and to a lesser extent other games), as well as a website where people can advertise tournaments, etc.

He isn't the one responsible for when tournaments plan their dates. He isn't the one who is a walking encyclopedia of when tournaments are running, nor does he have a schedule of when each tournament runs. With the amount of tournaments that run weekly on this website, are you really going to ******* spaz (at him, no less!) about two tournaments overlapping (which, as they are online, can easily be reschuled)?

If you want there to be an encyclopedia of all tournaments running, feel free to take initiative and create a calendar with prospective dates, or try to act as a go-between for tournament organizers and work out possible scheduling conflicts. That isn't Nirvanas job. If Dox and Unstable had said they both talked to me about their events and I hadn't said "HOLD THE ******* PHONE, THIS WILL CONFLICT!" would it be my fault that their scheduling overlapped?

No. It ******* wouldn't.

It's the organizers "fault" -- and I use the term without implications. In a community as small as ours, predicting an overlap in scheduling is a very hard thing to do. You can usually presume that a date will be open and be correct.

However, I'm going off on a bit of a tangent. My main point is that you're right to be angry about tournaments overlapping. However, you're lashing out at the wrong guy by a mile.

Originally Posted by Pandan

As much as it is in me calling your skill in any other non-SC2 game in question? Silly insult there...
My quote is entirely relevant as it demonstrates the consequences of making these mistakes.

No, your quote was completely irrelevant. Your quote was you complaining (to no-one, really..) that two tournaments are on at the same date, again, which Nirvana had nothing to do with. Yet you complain here, to the chatbox, as opposed to messaging the people in charge. Why not message the people responsible? The more people that do this, the more that they will take notice.

The big difference is that these two tournaments are live events -- LANs -- which will have booked the place that the event isrunning. Huge ******* difference than two online events.

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[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by Pandan

Likes:

*nRvPickleWeasel: *
no

*IrisPetraeus: *
go die

*Bash: *
doesnt work like that

*TheGentleman: *
You have been warned for this post, that's good enough for me. @IrisPetraeus: idc how much you disagree with a post ther...

... their post, there's nothing funny about the sentiment "go die".

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[Pandan]

I'm not missing the point at all.

If Dox came to me and told me about his event, then FXO came to me with theirs, and I didn't bring up to one or both of them that the conflict existed - I WOULD BE FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONFLICT.

If you disagree, you are welcome to - but when you have knowledge and choose not to act; you are in the wrong.

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Dont make sense

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Pandan

I'm not missing the point at all.

If Dox came to me and told me about his event, then FXO came to me with theirs, and I didn't bring up to one or both of them that the conflict existed - I WOULD BE FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONFLICT.

If you disagree, you are welcome to - but when you have knowledge and choose not to act; you are in the wrong.

No, you're not responsible for the conflict. Holy shit.

What you just said is as if you had just had someone come to you -- and tell you they were going to bash someone.

Then they did it.

And you got in trouble for it, because you didn't go to the other person, or appropriate people, and warn them.

Are you getting this?

Tournament organizers all have each-others contacts. It's not as if it's hard to reach Dox -- or Unstable -- or any other organizer. Expecting them to hear information through a grapevine is deadset ridiculous.

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NOM:

This should be a private post.

[NOM]

WAYY TO MUCH BM HERE
let me fix it...

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[BaKaiNu]

Originally Posted by NOM

WAYY TO MUCH BM HERE
let me fix it...

No, let me fix it.

The summary,

-nirvAnA is not responsible for organising tournaments for SEA scene.

-Use the "Keep Track of Events" posted by Dox (http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4867) to plan your event ahead of time from now on.

-Communicate with OTHER organizers as well.

As I had summarize the main points of the argument. Now stop this stupid pointless argument. If you really want to continue, do it in PMs. I will definitely infract if this continues onwards from my post.

Regards,
BakaInu

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[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

No, let me fix it.

The summary,

-nirvAnA is not responsible for organising tournaments for SEA scene.

-Use the "Keep Track of Events" posted by Dox (http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4867) to plan your event ahead of time from now on.

-Communicate with OTHER organizers as well.

As I had summarize the main points of the argument. Now stop this stupid pointless argument. If you really want to continue, do it in PMs. I will definitely infract if this continues onwards from my post.

Regards,
BakaInu

Just quoting because this is pretty much exactly what I was saying..

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[Pandan]

Wait, so you're saying that if you came up to me at LAN and said you were going to bash mOOnGLaDe to a pulp so that you'd win - and I didn't tell him or anyone else - that I'd be 100% clear and not guilty?

I can see what you're trying to say, but that's a god awful metaphor to be using man.

EDIT: The other reason I say it's someone like this persons responsibility, is that perhaps people might speak to Nirvana because they didn't want to speak with Dox. Would if Nirvana doesn't like Dox? What if FXO doesn't like XYZ person. Nirvana has the information (in this example) and thus should share it, when he knows it will 100% cause a conflict.

It is entirely possible that even with Nirvana sharing the information; that the conflict will remain - but giving up immediately and not even trying to resolve it, isn't the right thing to do.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Pandan

Wait, so you're saying that if you came up to me at LAN and said you were going to bash mOOnGLaDe to a pulp so that you'd win - and I didn't tell him or anyone else - that I'd be 100% clear and not guilty?

I can see what you're trying to say, but that's a god awful metaphor to be using man.

No, you're taking it to an extreme in an attempt to dodge it.

Let's say you're a friend of mine, and I said that tomorrow at school I was going to hit (y).

You didn't contact (y), for whatever reason -- you forgot, didn't expect it to be true, expected him to know via other means.

(y) then gets hit.

Who would (y) be angry at? The wanker that hit him, or you?

The way you're reacting, he'd be angrier at you than the person that hit him.

What I'm saying is, you're lashing out at a person who has nothing to do with the tournaments other than talking to the two organizers because he's friends with them, blaming it on him. I don't know how much simpler I can put it, if you don't get it now, you never bloody will.

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[deL]

I agree with pandan in that avoiding clashes is something that should be simple but is often overlooked and overcomplicated. Unstable I think was in the right to organise an FXO event, which focusses on international and Korean scenes and is generous to dip it's toe in SEA. They specifically aim some SEA material at Malaysia anyway so clashing with Australian events doesn't always hurt the intents. Dox was a little bit silly but I think it's his relexive response now seeing how many people look for a chance to bring down something he obviously puts a lot of thought and effort in to.

At the end of the day a clash isn't worth all this argument lol. It's short notice for all sides involved so just deal with it as best you can and set up a system for the future instead of getting mad over something that could have been easily resolved if ANYONE made a real attempt to. Obviously no one did and a bunch of people who did nothing about it are pointing fingers at each other.

[cruxis]

Can this topic be closed or something? It's a endless circle of pass the blame.

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BaKaiNu:

Still serves as Dox's announcement post, and he hasn't complete the announcement.

[inFeZa]

This thread has taken the way of SC2SEA's usual behaviour to turn it into a train wreck that is absurdly off topic.

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by Bakainu

Still serves as Dox's announcement post, and he hasn't complete the announcement.

Dox has the ability to post in a locked thread, I don't see the issue

[ToRSpookToR]

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[nirvAnA]

whoa there is a lot of misinformation in those above posts. If its someone feeding you a skewed perspective behind the scenes to instigate drama, I'll advise you to take caution from listening to him in the future. I'll try to keep this short and civil.

1. I do not run the whole SEA scene, neither am I responsible for every tournament in SEA

When there are big tournaments, my role usually is that of a facilitator. I help people who want to run tournaments by letting them use SC2SEA as a platform. I give tournament admins news posting permissions, or move their posts to news so they get more attention. I hand them avatars and color their names so their posts stand out more. I sometimes hand out achievement badges to players who win those tournaments to give incentive and increase participation. If organizers want to run stuff on sc2sea and aren't aware of the steps, I guide them through it and tell them what is needed first so its run well. Aka the smaller tournaments like BSGS, COs, KOFs, KOTHs upcoming "cheese tournament" etc.

The majority of the time it is all voluntary community work, there are many different tournaments going on every week and I'm comfortable with just "letting go" and letting them run their stuff. So usually that is where my involvement ends.

And for the big tournaments I am definitely not responsible for Format / Brackets / Admins / Tournament Dates / Conflicts, but help with all the minor stuff like news posts, avatars, and for e.g the sticky tournament you see on the right, which makes it easy for people to access.

Some examples would be Masters Cup, Eve Cup, APL, WCS and ACL.

Yes if I happen to know of a scheduling conflict I'll let the person know because having big tournaments that conflict is silly and helps nobody. However, common sense dictates that it is the tournament organiser who has the main responsibility to ensure his tournament does not conflict with anything, that his rules are air tight, map pool relevant etc. I don't see how I can even be held responsible.

2. Gigabyte tournament

Usually if its a big tournament, it deserves exposure but SC2SEA won't be actively involved. This tournament is different because of the magnitude of the prize pool and Tony needed it to be run well and asked for our help with the online portion of the event. SC2SEA will always support tournaments (especially big ones) although it takes considerable time and effort and why do I bother with all this? Because tournaments are great, it helps grow players, the scene, esports, etc and a well run tournament means there's a higher chance of the tournament re-occuring and magnifying the effect. Also if organizations approach me for something specific and it requires my time then yes, I can help them take care of it so they don't have to worry about anything.

So basically I was just handling the map pool, format and dates of the online qualifiers, and that is where my responsibility ends. I made it the point to avoid Masters Cup and Eve Cup on Sundays and also scheduled it to start early at 10am in case there would be tournaments held later on Saturdays, that way there would be time to run thosel. In Singapore thats 8am for me and note i normally sleep in on weekends and do not enjoy waking up at 7.30 am every Saturday for 3 weeks.

As with all the other big tournaments like Masters Cup, Eve Cup, APL, ACL I have no control over the LAN finals date, format, prizes and what not, as I said I'm just the facilitator. Of course I was communicating with Tony and told him that any conflict should be avoided and the one to look out for was the ACL LAN. I had informed Dox there will be a big event in early July and asked him several times when the ACL Sydney finals were going to be. He always said it wasn't confirmed/decided yet or perhaps he felt it was an ACL event so I wasn't privy to that information and chose not to share it. Many mods in our skype chat can attest to that. So i was unaware of the confirmed ACL date until the news post itself. Somewhere along the line Tony booked his venue (or perhaps he already booked it before he talked to me) and ACL booked their venue too (but neither announced it publicly when they did) so neither side knew of the dates and suddenly there were two conflicting dates.

3. FXO tournament

Unstable did talk to me, I told him what I knew, that all weekends were probably going to busy till July. I said the next 3 weekends were acl / gigabyte qualifiers, and there was eve cup #2 and masters cup to look out for as well on Sundays. I had seen the grayed out area in Dox's calender but had no idea it was a tournament of that magnitude. Like unstable said, it could have been anything, a showmatch, Nv invitational, qualifier etc. If it was labeled "massive tournament" (but that would totally give away the hype thread) or if Dox pmed me about it, then of course you could say it had "prior knowledge", but the fact is, I did not. Dox did not talk to me and the last I heard about his big upcoming tournament was what he posted in our staff chat group - that it was going to be a show match everyday for a month and the grayed out events were only over a weekend.

TLDR:

• I did not have "prior information" about ACL event dates or Dox's event.
• All of these are not even my tournaments to begin with, and dates are not decided by me.
• Announce tournament dates ASAP to avoid conflicts, do not keep other organizers in the dark. And when conflicts happen settle them privately.

IMO right now everyone should be focusing their efforts on ensuring this does not happen again instead of pointing fingers and looking for someone to blame. This thread here by Dox is a step in the right direction.

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4867

And I do not like the insults fed from misinformation that were directed at me from Pandan, and would appreciate if you get your facts right before making such posts.

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[Unstable]

What the... How you can push this off to nirvana's fault is amazing.

For the record Nirvana did tell me to speak to Dox, I had already had the intention of speaking to him, however he was unavailable during the few days I had to finalize all my qualifiers.

I do my best to communicate with people however even via PM Dox has done nothing but avoid things and make snarky insulting remarks like "You're so unnaturally aggressive, it's bizarre. Next time I'll immediately find a computer terminal at the airport, sign in to skype and consult with you on this trivial matter. (y)"

Which again WASN'T what I was saying, which frankly if I haven't made clear it was his attitude in his post that was the issue I never will. This in my position has been 3 times that things could have been salvaged yet were not, There is only so much I can do. When someone is insulting/defensive 3 times in a row then its time to stop communicating with them as it is a waste of time.

As Del said, The FXOpen are major international events, I am trying to give SEA some exposure by SEA only qualifiers when it is very rare for tournaments to do so. Having no SEA qualifiers will frankly not have a big impact on our event but I do this because I started in SEA and I did what I can to organise things accordingly.

So going back to the "organisers should talk to each other" I did everything in my power to talk to all the organisers, it is not my or Dox's fault he wasn't available however his actions after the fact have been completely inappropriate he has been insulting/defensive each time when all I have ever said is "why did you act like this when there are more mature ways of going about it"

I have gone out of my way to work with people and everyone else I have ever worked with, GOMtv/EG/NASL/IPL/Benji/Nirvana/Del etc have always been a pleasure to work with and have always turned into mutually beneficial things. Yet from what I've been told by many, this is not the first time Dox has been difficult to deal with.

When organising tournaments and event's many people try to work with others to help the scene grow however when you do everything in your power and you cannot compromise NO ONE will ever put another tournament above their own, people will change dates because they can easily do so or they are worried they will be overshadowed. That's just how it is. One can also say that having multiple events on at the same time actually increases the quality of those tournaments because they are forced to compete, currently the consensus is to avoid everyone so we all share the viewers, but I ask you this if tournament A cant get 720p streaming but tournament B can't, why shouldn't tournament A get more viewers? they have put more effort into their Setup, That's how the world works. (this is of course a very simple example) It forces events to get better and put more effort in, other than just your basic "hey here's a tournament"

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[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

I'm going to step in now, and say: MOVE IT TO PMs!

No one listens to you anymore BaKa.. should ban them all.

[Criven]

Without trying to come across like a douchebag this thread is sitting at the top of the lists all over the front page. Visitors new and old at any level of SEA scene knowledge can click on this and watch an announcement thread decline into a finger pointing circle-jerk.

I left SC2SEA out of my regular rotation after the last load of crap-salad got flung around with the whole "Nirvana vs TheWorld" Star-League bans, watching respected members of the scene talk shit just took the shine off the apple.

I came back after hearing about the mystery thread, considering the first one got me amped enough to get posting here in the first place I was stoked to have another crack at the puzzle.

Now its this. A handful of players and figureheads weighing in with some "feign-slander" fuelling what should be personal negotiations.

in short. Crap like this is slowly but surely turning what could be called one of the best E-Sport communities in the region into the same shit that graces each and every other VG community just by airing out the dirty laundry.

Take your gripes to the people responsible not to the open forums where more than ego is at stake.

TL;DR "****** relax ayyyyeeee"

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[Dox]

Wow... I've been offline since Thursday, just been checking in on my phone occasionally between flights and moving. This thread realllllly got out of hand.

I'm just gonna go ahead and highlight that my original "people really need to talk to eachother" comment was not a direct attack on Unstable or FXO - it was merely me echo'ing an ongoing series of sentiments lately. It seems that Unstable took it as a personal attack - this was certainly not my intent. I apologise for any offense that was taken by what I said. If you were to ask those who are more active in the SC2SEA community, you'll see that I'm constantly preaching to event organisers to get involved with oneanother. I certainly wasn't throwing my hands in the air and hopelessly demanding that people boycott FXO or anything like that. I'm really happy to see FXO including SEA players/qualifiers in their events and I also want to highlight that both myself & Unstable individually agreed to adjust our schedules to prevent an overlap before this shitstorm even started. Please stop attacking eachother over nothing, this is really disappointing.

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[ROOT`iaguz]

No! **** you dox ur a dickhead

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[iM yang]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

No! **** you dox ur a dickhead

Mate shut the **** up, you and your curls don't belong here, WHERE ARE YOU ON THE PICTURE? HUH SON?! HUH?!

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[iVnStinger]

Clearly this is getting nowhere. This is an announcement/hype thread, and it has turned into a silly argument over something in the past. Just let it go. So both tourneys clashed on the same dates, so what? Now you know, now you work together to fix it.

And I think Nirvana has enough on his plate already. I don't think he will have time to check if tourneys are clashing when he has a whole website to run. Not to mention he has a clan. Both requiring a lot of time and dedication. And let's not get into real life responsibilities. I don't think you can blame him for missing something small like tournaments falling on the same date.

Things like this happen. Don't argue. Just work together to fix it.

Edit: Sorry didn't read Dox's last post. Alrighty then, it's settled. Can I please know which 2 players it is then? Unless it really is Mafia and yaaaannngggg hehe

Edit: @Dox- Sorry again, pretty hard to find in the whole mess.

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Dox:

i'm confused http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p=98773&postcount=131

[ROOT`iaguz]

Mate I'm going to cut you.

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lol

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

Mate I'm going to cut you.

With Mjolnirs Hammer?

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Asrathiel:

Mjolnir's hammer? The hammer has a hammer? :P

[ROOT`iaguz]

Yes

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