[ShinyA]

EDIT -

When I first made this thread, I honestly didn't really remember being such an asshole to people. I haven't played on SEA or really had anything to do with the community or it's players in over a year. In the past couple of days however I was invited to play a few games of DotA with some of the SEA players, it sounded like fun so I hopped on the TS server that they used and we had a blast! It was maybe the most fun I had had online in a while.

While on the TS server though it came to my attention that I was legitimately hated by a lot of the SEA players that I had encountered during the time that I had been actively playing on SEA. I was completely shocked and caught off guard by it because I had no idea that these people that I hadn't really thought much of in a year had such serious hatred towards me! I didn't really remember specifically being an asshole and I was pretty dumbfounded.

I made this thread in hopes of figuring things out and hopefully resolving the issues that people had with me. Well, only one of those things has completely happened and it isn't the latter! I remember the dumb things that I've done and said, the people I've insulted, and the possible bridges that I have burned. I'm sincerely sorry to anyone affected by the idiotic things that I've made them put up with in the past. I've always had a problem with my ego and attitude, it's gotten me into trouble in the past and it's something I continue to work on every day. I'm not the same person I was a year ago, even though I'm not a kid I know I have immature tendencies and they often get the better of me.

It's okay if no one forgives me but do know that I'm sorry and do seek your forgiveness. If put in the same situations that I was in when acting like an idiot in the past I promise you I would behave differently. I took losing way too hard in the past and it caused me to lash out. I'm embarrassed for myself thinking back on the stupid things I've done.

I'm sorry, if given the chance I'd like to make it up to all of you!

[Loach]

I'll be honest. Never met you!

But good on ya coming forward to get stuff sorted out (=

[Peleus]

Never heard of you, so I don't have an opinion either way.

Edit: apart from saying that if there are particular players that have an issue with you take it up with them.

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by Peleus

Never heard of you, so I don't have an opinion either way.

Edit: apart from saying that if there are particular players that have an issue with you take it up with them.

I would but it seems like there's a ton of people with issues to the point where I don't know who to take it up with lol

[BearPack]

This is the first I have even heard about you, so I'm indifferent, but it's good you've come out to apologise regardless.

If there's a lot of people, The best thing to do would be to start from the top, apologising to people you've affected the most, and work your way down.

People usually let go of old grudges if you come clean =]

[inFeZa]

there's always room for apologies and making out up.

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neon:

hate it when i accidentally make out

[neon]

I think I'll go and eat worms.

[TAEdgE]

You were better in DotA than Zain one game so you're alright

[NvPinder]

Why do you lie about strange things like getting GM on kr? Is it that important to you that people like you?

edit; Also I don't particularly have a problem with you except that someone I hold in very high regard had a big problem with you, I generally dont just blindly take sides but I have a lot of respect for said person as a level headed guy who wouldn't irrationally hate anyone over something silly. So I stood by him in his hate for you.

[yongming]

came in here expecting zanooku but was disappoint.

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[AxSGRiM]

Someone could have been bming on your traded acc?

[TAriiChard]

Hi MensA,

So this goes back a year, back to when I ran tournaments for teamiCHOR,net with TALkori. In the lobby to the start of the finals between TARossi and Saint (Sensei) you were BMing the shit out of me and Rossi when I said that there were no observers allowed (I'm the admin) which followed with you accusing me of being able to cheat for Rossi. After a much heated argument I decided to leave the lobby and let the players play the finals (because you were teammates with Sensei and didn't trust an "admin" to observe the game).


A few weeks later, due to your success in one of the similar tournaments you were invited to the $500 mwave invitational tournament. You didn't arrive within the 15 minute start time and at around the 30 minute mark I gave the spot to either Jazbas, Revenant or Enderr..... My memory is bad lol. So you decided to arrive when your spot was given to them and then abuse me again for giving your spot away of which I decided to be nice and give the spot back to you.... You lost game 1 and then forfeit and left the tournament...


From then on I simply decided to not trust you and with the amount of abuse I received from you why should I? You abused me, my fellow admins and my fellow clan mates. I'm not holding onto a grudge. I just don't want to be associated with you.


Yours Sincerely,
TAriiChard

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by NvPinder

Why do you lie about strange things like getting GM on kr? Is it that important to you that people like you?

edit; Also I don't particularly have a problem with you except that someone I hold in very high regard had a big problem with you, I generally dont just blindly take sides but I have a lot of respect for said person as a level headed guy who wouldn't irrationally hate anyone over something silly. So I stood by him in his hate for you.

http://www.sc2ranks.com/kr/2762714/%...95%BC/season/6

I've been in GM multiple times on multiple servers. You can check the match history on that account if you want, I play only GM's and I offrace on the account...

I heard you guys were laughing and saying stuff like "LOL MENSA GM ON KR WHAT A MORON KID" and shit like that, but I haven't had any contact with any of you guys for like a year and when I did I had like 90% win ration GM on SEA and placed well in every tournament I played in so for you to automatically assume I lie about things is just silly..

I'm assuming the person you're referring to is richard , the only time I really remember having interaction with him was when he was hosting a tournament and I just remember reporting my wins to him. I don't know why he hates me so much , honestly

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by TAriiChard

Hi MensA,

So this goes back a year, back to when I ran tournaments for teamiCHOR,net with TALkori. In the lobby to the start of the finals between TARossi and Saint (Sensei) you were BMing the shit out of me and Rossi when I said that there were no observers allowed (I'm the admin) which followed with you accusing me of being able to cheat for Rossi. After a much heated argument I decided to leave the lobby and let the players play the finals (because you were teammates with Sensei and didn't trust an "admin" to observe the game).


A few weeks later, due to your success in one of the similar tournaments you were invited to the $500 mwave invitational tournament. You didn't arrive within the 15 minute start time and at around the 30 minute mark I gave the spot to either Jazbas, Revenant or Enderr..... My memory is bad lol. So you decided to arrive when your spot was given to them and then abuse me again for giving your spot away of which I decided to be nice and give the spot back to you.... You lost game 1 and then forfeit and left the tournament...


From then on I simply decided to not trust you and with the amount of abuse I received from you why should I? You abused me, my fellow admins and my fellow clan mates. I'm not holding onto a grudge. I just don't want to be associated with you.


Yours Sincerely,
TAriiChard

I don't remember the first bit, but the second bit I played that tournament on time! I lost a game to Deth and then I forfeited ( it was like 4 AM my time ). I had waited up the entire night and was there on time...><

T_T

[NvRossi]

we also don't like being lied to

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by TARossi

we also don't like being lied to

about ?

[nGenLight]

I've been BM'd pretty hard in my SC2 lifespan, you were one of the few I distinctively remember gave me so much crap (Combination of arrogance, racist, person attacks) back on your account Shinya when I first started playing.

You were also a spastic to guys I hold to high regard like Rossi and Richard.

You were the reason I was very skeptical about Andrew "Sensei".

I don't believe you ever got GM in Korea and I'm not interested in you trying to prove it.

I speak for many others that this server and community just don't care enough about you, and if you really want to make up grounds, stop making excuses and start apologizing, or else, **** off.

Ray

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[TASlowHands]

Originally Posted by MensA

I've been accused and blamed for flaming clan TA to the point of RiiChard holding a grudge for a year about it but I don't remember every doing this

Sounds p standard tbh

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ToRSpartaz:

You sir are very very sexy ^^

[AxSGRiM]

if you're trying to come clean stop trying to come up with I don't remember BS

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	x5.Revenant:	Dayum.
	NDG.Stitch:	do u even kno him lol
	NOM:

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

I've been BM'd pretty hard in my SC2 lifespan, you were one of the few I distinctively remember gave me so much crap (Combination of arrogance, racist, person attacks) back on your account Shinya when I first started playing.

You were also a spastic to guys I hold to high regard like Rossi and Richard.

You were the reason I was very skeptical about Andrew "Sensei".

I don't believe you ever got GM in Korea and I'm not interested in you trying to prove it.

I speak for many others that this server and community just don't care enough about you, and if you really want to make up grounds, stop making excuses and start apologizing, or else, **** off.

Ray

WTF?
I'm chinese, how the hell can I racistly attack you?

Not to mention the only account I've ever used on SEA was LzHMensA, I've never used shinya or anything related to shinya on SEA.

I remember having gg's vs you and playing against you in a few go4sc2's...don't remember ever bming u =\

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

I don't know you at all, but it seems you need to stop with the bullshit.

People such as Rossi, Richard, Ray and Pinder I hold incredibly high opinions of and NONE of them are going to lie, especially in a thread where you are asking what you have done wrong.

If you cannot accept what is being said, man up and face it, then why are you making a thread for this in the first place.

From what people have described it sounds like you have done some pretty rude shit to them over time and need to stop saying "i don't know what i did, i didn't do that, it wasn't me, it's not my fault" etc etc.

Accept responsibility.

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[Baldie]

I like turtles.

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[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by IrisRogue

I don't know you at all, but it seems you need to stop with the bullshit.

People such as Rossi, Richard, Ray and Pinder I hold incredibly high opinions of and NONE of them are going to lie, especially in a thread where you are asking what you have done wrong.

If you cannot accept what is being said, man up and face it, then why are you making a thread for this in the first place.

From what people have described it sounds like you have done some pretty rude shit to them over time and need to stop saying "i don't know what i did, i didn't do that, it wasn't me, it's not my fault" etc etc.

Accept responsibility.

Rossi admitted to blindly accepting the opinion of someone else, not having any other opinions of me. Then Richard says the reason he hates me, or partly, is because I flamed Rossi...seems a bit weird...and then Light accuses me of racistly attacking him ... when we are both chinese ... on an account that I never used on SEA.

Whatever.

If I've flamed anyone, I APOLOGIZE, Whatever happened it was over a year ago, you guys saying "don't act like you don't remember"...a year ago in starcraft is like an eternity.

EDIT - oops that was pinder who said he didn't know me, not rossi :P

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[mOOnGLaDe]

i'm not sure if we've ever crossed paths before, but if we did i do not remember you! therefore i do not dislike you

[mOOnGLaDe]

unless you're that spr guy that has a moonglade account then i will chop you

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[Sc2Clare]

LOL moonglade~~~~

[SanG]

inb4 thread closed

[AvPoker]

I recall you pylon blocking me in a tournament game once and calling me a maphacker. Why wouldn't I hate you?

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by xGKingPoker

I recall you pylon blocking me in a tournament game once and calling me a maphacker. Why wouldn't I hate you?

lol i think i remember that

on tal darim ?

333333333333

sorry ^_^

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

I've been BM'd pretty hard in my SC2 lifespan, you were one of the few I distinctively remember gave me so much crap (Combination of arrogance, racist, person attacks) back on your account Shinya when I first started playing.

You were also a spastic to guys I hold to high regard like Rossi and Richard.

You were the reason I was very skeptical about Andrew "Sensei".

I don't believe you ever got GM in Korea and I'm not interested in you trying to prove it.

I speak for many others that this server and community just don't care enough about you, and if you really want to make up grounds, stop making excuses and start apologizing, or else, **** off.

Ray

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[PiG]

Why do you have so many accounts?

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mGGAequitas:

coz blizzard doesn't think anyone would ever possibly want to change their name more than once every 6 months

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by PiG

Why do you have so many accounts?

hmm well I started off on shinyA on NA and then got a new one when I joined a new team + used MensA on SEA ( separate battle.net account altogether ). Then just changed names in different teams

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by MensA

http://www.sc2ranks.com/kr/2762714/%...95%BC/season/6

I've been in GM multiple times on multiple servers. You can check the match history on that account if you want, I play only GM's and I offrace on the account...

I don't even know you, but this sort of arrogant shit doesn't really run too well around here.

Trust me, experience.

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	deL:	You display learning cognitive abilities similar to that of a chimp. I couldn't be more proud.

[Pandan]

Step 1: "HAY GUISE I'M GM ON KR, EU, NA, SEA ALL AS RANDOM, LIKE A BOSS."
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

Maybe other people aren't the problem, perhaps figuring out Step 2 could be your problem?

[iM yang]

This time last year I hadn't even attended my first lan for SC2 and I can't even remember who I talked to (was before I got onto TS teamspeak) back then.. seems legit that he can't remember what was said to people in lobbys and such.
Does seems like you're honestly surprised that people dislike you and from what i've seen you're a pretty nice guy. Although I tend to remember when people are ***** to me when all I try to be is nice so I can see where rich is coming from.
Do hope you **** can sort this out cause you're fabulous to play dota with ^_^

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	mOOnGLaDe:	orb
	ShinyA:	no you're fabulous ! <3 <3

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Pandan

Step 1: "HAY GUISE I'M GM ON KR, EU, NA, SEA ALL AS RANDOM, LIKE A BOSS."
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

Maybe other people aren't the problem, perhaps figuring out Step 2 could be your problem?

He got asked how good he was at SC2, it wasn't like he just straight up said 'respect me coz kr gm yo'

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by tgun

I don't even know you, but this sort of arrogant shit doesn't really run too well around here.

Trust me, experience.

I'm an arrogant person, I know it's one of my faults. I try to be more humble and maybe I was a cocky asshole before, I just really don't remember ever doing anything to make people hate me so much lol.

Like look at Light's response, I don't recall ever being mean to him. He says I'm racist but we're both the same race.

But as for linking the account, I wasn't bragging. It all came about because when I was on TS someone asked me "are you good at sc2 / what rank are you?" and I said "gm na and kr" and then apparently the next day I got flamed for saying that. Then in here I got flamed so I posted my account, I wasn't just coming in and throwing it around lol

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Pandan:

[Pandan]

I rescind my smart-arse reply then

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by MensA

I'm an arrogant person, I know it's one of my faults. I try to be more humble and maybe I was a cocky asshole before, I just really don't remember ever doing anything to make people hate me so much lol.

Like look at Light's response, I don't recall ever being mean to him. He says I'm racist but we're both the same race.

But as for linking the account, I wasn't bragging. It all came about because when I was on TS someone asked me "are you good at sc2 / what rank are you?" and I said "gm na and kr" and then apparently the next day I got flamed for saying that. Then in here I got flamed so I posted my account, I wasn't just coming in and throwing it around lol

If you don't think what you said is arrogant (which is what you're defending in the second half of your post) then there's your problem. :|

If you just linked the account and left it at that; leaving it as proof that you are indeed masters on KR with a very nice winrate, it'd be sweet. However, you went on to say "Oh, btw, I only offrace and **** around, and it's all against Korean GM's". That's the arrogant part.

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by tgun

If you don't think what you said is arrogant (which is what you're defending in the second half of your post) then there's your problem. :|

If you just linked the account and left it at that; leaving it as proof that you are indeed masters on KR with a very nice winrate, it'd be sweet. However, you went on to say "Oh, btw, I only offrace and **** around, and it's all against Korean GM's". That's the arrogant part.

You're right, sorry. I felt a bit defensive because I was being attacked and being called a liar. But yeah I didn't have to say that, my fault T_T

[Fenner]

Hi MensA, nice to meet you!

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iM yang:

Stop being so cute! :D

[NvRossi]

its easy not to remember being a **** to someone, i am good at that. However there are alot of people that do remember you being a **** to them. Thats obviously where the hate is coming from.

and it was more like, wait a second this foreigner that we haven't heard of is GM on Korea? oh wait this foreigner is Mensa? yea nah....

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TAEdgE:

'yea nah' hope to see this in more rossi posts

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by MensA

You're right, sorry. I felt a bit defensive because I was being attacked and being called a liar. But yeah I didn't have to say that, my fault T_T

If I could give rep, I'd give you positive rep -- Never had any bad run-ins with you, so you're ok in my books.

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by TARossi

its easy not to remember being a **** to someone, i am good at that. However there are alot of people that do remember you being a **** to them. Thats obviously where the hate is coming from.

and it was more like, wait a second this foreigner that we haven't heard of is GM on Korea? oh wait this foreigner is Mensa? yea nah....

I mean obviously I've pissed people off, believe what you want but I don't remember being that much of an asshole but it's not a coincidence that everyone hates me. I get that but at the same time I feel like it's extremely exaggerated. Even in what you just said, why would my skill ever be in question? If I'm known for just being a completely and utter douchebag that has nothing to do with whether or not I'm GM on KR or not but immediately you guys jump on to that as if I'm lying for no reason.

[NvRossi]

Because some of us myself included feel we have a general indication of your skill level believe you're not Korean GM level and that you're lying for no reason?

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by TARossi

Because some of us myself included feel we have a general indication of your skill level believe you're not Korean GM level and that you're lying for no reason?

See, like how does that not feel like you're attacking me? I don't mean this in any sort of bad manner but when I was playing on SEA that season I beat almost every one of the top players on SEA at one point, in tournaments not just ladder. Not to mention you guys haven't had any sort of interaction with me in over a year. Why would you have that assumption? You don't feel that's a little bit biased?

Also, thanks for unbanning me from TS, I appreciated it. It seems RiiChard doesn't forgive me or w/e since he just banned me again

[dippa]

hi mensa

*waves*

**** off now

*waves*

[TAEdgE]

I think people are still underrating how HARD getting Korean GM is. Sure, a few more foreigners now are getting it such as NightEnD who you wouldn't put in the top 10 outside of Korea but still it is so hard to get and yet you've apparently achieved it and your skill makes you around top 20 foreigner in the world.

Like, i've never seen 'Classic' make waves in any online tournaments or clan wars (correct me if i am wrong.) It's easy to see why people are skeptical of your actual skill level when the proof is a sick good record of an account that doesn't actually have a GM insignia on sc2ranks. For what it's worth, my Masters account last season was 60-34 on KR and that's what a high masters player can get with default MMR. I still feel no where close to GM and if i got it, wouldn't deserve it.

Every top player on SEA has beaten every other top player on SEA too pretty much nowadays, and you never won any of the go4sc2 tourneys or anything so it's just ladder wins where i'm sure a lot of those players beat you back.

I don't dislike you by the way, just talking about skill.

[NvRossi]

Its just my opinion, sorry if i hurt you're ego, but i still highly doubt you were ever GM on Korea. Its not a big deal.

But yea i unbanned and rebanned you as i feel its probably for the best for now

[Bloodmyst]

Errrrr, hmmmm.

Dude, if you've been a jackass to someone and they don't like you... Guess what!?!?! You can't expect to give a half hearted apology and expect everything is going to be honky dory! From what I've made out on the last few of your posts, I keep seeing the word/s "GM." No offense dude, but no one gives a flying f^*k what your rank is.

But I will let you in on a little secret, it also helps in life too. Never lie, no one likes a liar.

I don't know why people be hatin' on you and I don't know you, or have anything against you. But from what I've made out from the thread so far, you were probably better off minding your own business just enjoying yourself and playing the game.

TLDR; "If" you are, stop speaking sh^t.... and get on with it. Don't try to create a "sympathy" thread.

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	zenabi:	just for saying honky dory ♥
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[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by EdgE

I think people are still underrating how HARD getting Korean GM is. Sure, a few more foreigners now are getting it such as NightEnD who you wouldn't put in the top 10 outside of Korea but still it is so hard to get and yet you've apparently achieved it and your skill makes you around top 20 foreigner in the world.

Like, i've never seen 'Classic' make waves in any online tournaments or clan wars (correct me if i am wrong.) It's easy to see why people are skeptical of your actual skill level when the proof is a sick good record of an account that doesn't actually have a GM insignia on sc2ranks. For what it's worth, my Masters account last season was 60-34 on KR and that's what a high masters player can get with default MMR.

I rarely play SC2 and when I do I usually have success. I came back for a couple months, got GM on all my accounts and played loads and recently kind of stopped playing again. Normally though I just make money coaching / doing tutorial videos.

As far as clanwars, I played a bunch way back in like season 2 - 3 of GM , whenever that was. Also recently I beat Ostojiy in clanwar against Its GoSu in which my team won.

I still think it's stupid to jump to conclusion about someones skill who you haven't had any sort of interaction with in a year. And it wasn't as if I was trying to brag, I was asked a question. For what it's worth my Kr account was like 65-10 at one point in that season before I started offracing. ( that comes of douchebaggish , arrogant, I don't mean it that way, I'm just defending myself ).

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[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by TARossi

Its just my opinion, sorry if i hurt you're ego, but i still highly doubt you were ever GM on Korea. Its not a big deal.

But yea i unbanned and rebanned you as i feel its probably for the best for now

I don't get my ego hurt, I don't care much about whether or not people believe I was GM or am. I posted my account, I can sign on that account, hell lets get on Korea we can 1;1 on that account. The only reason I'm defending myself and even trying to get things settled out is because I had a lot of fun playing with you guys in DotA and was completely surprised at the hate I got because it's never been brought to me before.

It was over a year ago and I'm greeted with so much hate for stuff that happened so long ago.

[dippa]

i was joking earlier, by the way, i don't actually know mensa.

don't go around dropping stats about your accounts though, it does more to hurt your case than help it (because as you correctly surmised, it does look douchebaggish).

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x5_Bard:

then edit it out?

[PiG]

showmatch 3x bo3 you vs glade, rossi and light to prove you can compete with the best of sea and that your claims might have some fruit.

Sound good yes?

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	nirvAnA:	excellent idea, but Mensa needs to put something at stake if not its just a free ride!
	syfCabracan:	Losers to get chobo tags?

[ShinyA]

^ Sure, if they want.

you can close this thread, it seems no one will accept an apology if I give it and I got my answers as to why there's so much hate

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by MensA

I rarely play SC2 and when I do I usually have success. I came back for a couple months, got GM on all my accounts and played loads and recently kind of stopped playing again. Normally though I just make money coaching / doing tutorial videos.

As far as clanwars, I played a bunch way back in like season 2 - 3 of GM , whenever that was. Also recently I beat Ostojiy in clanwar against Its GoSu in which my team won.

I still think it's stupid to jump to conclusion about someones skill who you haven't had any sort of interaction with in a year. And it wasn't as if I was trying to brag, I was asked a question. For what it's worth my Kr account was like 65-10 at one point in that season before I started offracing. ( that comes of douchebaggish , arrogant, I don't mean it that way, I'm just defending myself ).

There is no jumping to conclusion about skill. Ultimately nowadays skill is based off of 90% Tournament results and 10% ladder ranking and victories (and this is more EU/KR ladder). Someone who wants to stick by his skill so diligently and shows no modesty yet bases it off of ladder and says they go inactive a lot is pretty hard to argue against.

It's a big slap in the face at least to me too that this player that hasn't proved himself (because he never plays actively) can achieve ranks that are better than all of what this forum has achieved apart from mOOnGLaDe.

BTW i did enjoy DotA when i played with you, and thankyou for the apology

[wTlzq]

just a neutral but "So apparently everyone hates me" as Title of the thread dont seems like asking for forgiveness as compared to "Apology towards XXX" etc

saw quite a few threads about people asking for forgiveness and their OP was quite different from yours

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PiG:

[dippa]

Originally Posted by EdgE

It's a big slap in the face to at least me too that this player that hasn't proved himself (because he never plays actively) can achieve ranks that are better than all of what this forum has achieved apart from mOOnGLaDe.

something that's also worth pointing out is that despite achieving x100 more than anyone else in the region over an extended period of time, you won't see andy act like an elitist, shit on other players publicly or use his excuse to be generally bm.

i'm not singling out mensa here - like i said, don't know the guy - but it'd be nice if that attitude became a little more popular.

[Pandan]

Maybe he thinks GM means "Gold Metal" not "Grand Master" ?

[nGenLight]

You're either a liar or some one whos so incredibly up his own ass that you don't remember being a fcuking dick to people. What you done holds consequences, it's just a shame you don't bloody remember them (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here).

You BM'd me on three seperate occassions.

I was a newbie BlueLight just starting out, you were playign Terran on your account Shinya. You made sure I know that you were a BW pro and that I was a peice of shit who deserved to die and not compete with big dogs like you, oh and then you lost.

Sometime in season 3 or 4, you were on your LzH account on SEA, found me ladder, 4gated, failed and told me what a kunt I am and you would never lose to me if this was on NA.

In one of the first IEM tournament things, you 4gated and beat me, I said "When in doubt, 4gate" as a response to what I should have done, you proceeded to get all defensive, calling me a massive ****** and a total shitkunt.

You threw in multiple racist insults now and then which I recall, but obviously I did not take it seriously as I know you are from HongKong, and is the language you probably use on the NA server, so no I don't think you are a racist, but you are one arrogant rude person who needs to learn that you can't be a **** to people, then come in and say you don't remember doing so and expect people to forgive you.

Go **** yourself.

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	ToRSpartaz:	I can understand where your coming from Ray.
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	<3 Ray
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	syfCabracan:	When your online, racism is racism. We can't tell where people are from just by name.
	EXCL:	**** :D

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by dippa

something that's also worth pointing out is that despite achieving x100 more than anyone else in the region over an extended period of time, you won't see andy act like an elitist, shit on other players publicly or use his excuse to be generally bm.

He said I was slightly less fabulous than him this one time.. I took great insult from this and now that you bring up his attitude, I demand an apology thread

[PiG]

Originally Posted by MensA

^ Sure, if they want.

you can close this thread, it seems no one will accept an apology if I give it and I got my answers as to why there's so much hate

Please point out the apology to anyone. I didn't see any apology.

[Baldie]

Originally Posted by PiG

showmatch 3x bo3 you vs glade, rossi and light to prove you can compete with the best of sea and that your claims might have some fruit.

Sound good yes?

What is this? Gladiator?

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	x5_Bard:	I wish! D:
	Welshy:	minus the sword weilding elephants!
	Pandan:	I sure hope so. Rossi can be TORNADO, Light could be TAIPAN, I guess glade VULCAN?

[NDG.Stitch]

Don't really know you Mensa, but I've definitely heard of you back when I was talking to Roz about the Hong Kong SC2 team. But whatever it is that you did, you should apologize fair and square, even if you didn't do it, I believe you should still apologize on behalf of the person that did it since it was through your account.

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

You're either a liar or some one whos so incredibly up his own ass that you don't remember being a fcuking dick to people. What you done holds consequences, it's just a shame you don't bloody remember them (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here).

You BM'd me on thre seperate occassions.

I was a newbie BlueLight just starting out, you were playign Terran on your account Shinya. You made sure I know that you were a BW pro and that I was a peice of shit who deserved to die and not compete with big dogs like you, oh and then you lost.

Sometime in season 3 or 4, you were on your LzH account on SEA, found me ladder, 4gated, failed and told me what a kunt I am and you would never lose to me if this was on NA.

In one of the first IEM tournament things, you 4gated and beat me, I said "When in doubt, 4gate as a response to what I should have done", you proceeded to get all defensive, calling me a massive ****** and a total shitkunt.

You threw in multiple racist insults now and then which I recall, but obviously I did not take it seriously as I know you are from HongKong, and is the language you probably use on the NA server, so no I don't think you are a racist, but you are one arrogant rude person who needs to learn that you can't be a **** to people, then come in and say you don't remember doing so and expect people to forgive you.

Go **** yourself.

I think you have me confused on the first bit. But the other two are true and I remember them. I was really angry because I was getting delay and the 2nd part I also remember, I think I apologized to you for that though because I was responding to you because I thought you were flaming me.

I am sorry, I wouldn't say those things if it happened today. I was wrong and I definitely didn't mean any of the things I said. I was mad and shouldn't have lashed out at you.

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by PiG

Please point out the apology to anyone. I didn't see any apology.

Rossi admitted to blindly accepting the opinion of someone else, not having any other opinions of me. Then Richard says the reason he hates me, or partly, is because I flamed Rossi...seems a bit weird...and then Light accuses me of racistly attacking him ... when we are both chinese ... on an account that I never used on SEA.

Whatever.

If I've flamed anyone, I APOLOGIZE, Whatever happened it was over a year ago, you guys saying "don't act like you don't remember"...a year ago in starcraft is like an eternity.

EDIT - oops that was pinder who said he didn't know me, not rossi :P

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[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by SQL.yang

He said I was slightly less fabulous than him this one time.. I took great insult from this and now that you bring up his attitude, I demand an apology thread

I also remember this one time he implied he was more handsome then me, Andy BM King yo ^_^

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Pandan:

It really depends if you count hair into the equation or not...

[Bloodmyst]

Originally Posted by MensA

I rarely play SC2 and when I do I usually have success. I came back for a couple months, got GM on all my accounts and played loads and recently kind of stopped playing again. Normally though I just make money coaching / doing tutorial videos.

As far as clanwars, I played a bunch way back in like season 2 - 3 of GM , whenever that was. Also recently I beat Ostojiy in clanwar against Its GoSu in which my team won.

I still think it's stupid to jump to conclusion about someones skill who you haven't had any sort of interaction with in a year. And it wasn't as if I was trying to brag, I was asked a question. For what it's worth my Kr account was like 65-10 at one point in that season before I started offracing. ( that comes of douchebaggish , arrogant, I don't mean it that way, I'm just defending myself ).

Originally Posted by MensA

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Nope, still couldn't find the apology.... anyone else?

[PiG]

Originally Posted by MensA

Rossi admitted to blindly accepting the opinion of someone else, not having any other opinions of me. Then Richard says the reason he hates me, or partly, is because I flamed Rossi...seems a bit weird...and then Light accuses me of racistly attacking him ... when we are both chinese ... on an account that I never used on SEA.

Whatever.

If I've flamed anyone, I APOLOGIZE, Whatever happened it was over a year ago, you guys saying "don't act like you don't remember"...a year ago in starcraft is like an eternity.

EDIT - oops that was pinder who said he didn't know me, not rossi :P

YEah exactly my point. That doesn't qualify as an apology. I've wasted enough time in this "thread", I already smell maphacker. Get out of this forum if you don't plan on changing your attitude.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by MensA

I rarely play SC2 and when I do I usually have success. I came back for a couple months, got GM on all my accounts and played loads and recently kind of stopped playing again. Normally though I just make money coaching / doing tutorial videos.

As far as clanwars, I played a bunch way back in like season 2 - 3 of GM , whenever that was. Also recently I beat Ostojiy in clanwar against Its GoSu in which my team won.

I still think it's stupid to jump to conclusion about someones skill who you haven't had any sort of interaction with in a year. And it wasn't as if I was trying to brag, I was asked a question. For what it's worth my Kr account was like 65-10 at one point in that season before I started offracing. ( that comes of douchebaggish , arrogant, I don't mean it that way, I'm just defending myself ).

What did you play vs us? The last time we played xSix, Sleep 4-killed and basically carried you guys over us :|

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VoxMSI.Rogue:

pigggggggggggggggggers

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by PiG

YEah exactly my point. That doesn't qualify as an apology. I've wasted enough time in this "thread", I already smell maphacker. Get out of this forum if you don't plan on changing your attitude.

I maphack now?

I obviously have offended many people, I forgot about some of the stuff I did but ( like I asked ) a lot of it has been brought up and brought back the memories of the stupid things I've done and said.

I do apologize for all of the flaming and any feelings I've hurt. I have gotten made before and been a douchebag and I know I can be a cocky and condescending asshole. When I made the thread I genuinely didn't remember doing that kind of shit but now I do and I'm sincerely sorry for it.

Please accept my apology and know that it will never happen again.

I really do like this community and respect all of its players. Maybe one day we can be friends ^_^

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by tgun

What did you play vs us? The last time we played xSix, Sleep 4-killed and basically carried you guys over us :|

I'm not in xSix anymore, I didn't play in any clanwar against you.

And yeah, Sleep is amazing ><!

[ToRSpookToR]

this is why people hate you...

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Spo0k

this is why people hate you...

whatttttttt

[Baldie]

Originally Posted by Spo0k

this is why people hate you...

who invited this kid?

[ToRskrawL]

I never heard of you, I never even read the whole thread BUT I HATE YA GUTS.

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[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by MensA

I'm not in xSix anymore, I didn't play in any clanwar against you.

And yeah, Sleep is amazing ><!

I'm in team itsGoSu, you said you beat Ostojiy.. when did you play us? :|

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by tgun

I'm in team itsGoSu, you said you beat Ostojiy.. when did you play us? :|

OH wow, was thinking fxo still - my bad.

Played you in ESEA, I'm on My Intent. Was a few days ago.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by MensA

OH wow, was thinking fxo still - my bad.

Played you in ESEA, I'm on My Intent. Was a few days ago.

Ah, I didn't play in that series. Fair enough.

[ShinyA]

Originally Posted by tgun

Ah, I didn't play in that series. Fair enough.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't your best lineup I think it was ostojiy, vibe, pokebunny, and wbc

[nGenLight]

Well, I speak for myself, apology accepted. That's a first step, I guess.

If you are indeed, Korean GM level, you should be the best player on this server, by a good margin.

[ShinyA]

I edited the first post:

EDIT -

When I first made this thread, I honestly didn't really remember being such an asshole to people. I haven't played on SEA or really had anything to do with the community or it's players in over a year. In the past couple of days however I was invited to play a few games of DotA with some of the SEA players, it sounded like fun so I hopped on the TS server that they used and we had a blast! It was maybe the most fun I had had online in a while.

While on the TS server though it came to my attention that I was legitimately hated by a lot of the SEA players that I had encountered during the time that I had been actively playing on SEA. I was completely shocked and caught off guard by it because I had no idea that these people that I hadn't really thought much of in a year had such serious hatred towards me! I didn't really remember specifically being an asshole and I was pretty dumbfounded.

I made this thread in hopes of figuring things out and hopefully resolving the issues that people had with me. Well, only one of those things has completely happened and it isn't the latter! I remember the dumb things that I've done and said, the people I've insulted, and the possible bridges that I have burned. I'm sincerely sorry to anyone affected by the idiotic things that I've made them put up with in the past. I've always had a problem with my ego and attitude, it's gotten me into trouble in the past and it's something I continue to work on every day. I'm not the same person I was a year ago, even though I'm not a kid I know I have immature tendencies and they often get the better of me.

It's okay if no one forgives me but do know that I'm sorry and do seek your forgiveness. If put in the same situations that I was in when acting like an idiot in the past I promise you I would behave differently. I took losing way too hard in the past and it caused me to lash out. I'm embarrassed for myself thinking back on the stupid things I've done.

I'm sorry, if given the chance I'd like to make it up to all of you!

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Baldie:

I approve of this message

[syfChadMann]

So... Okay, Apparently... no one really hates me.

Whats up with that?

Also, while I'm on the band wagon - Hey MensA - I don't know you, you've never done anything to me... so you're all cool by me (that was meaningful.. wasn't it!! - lets hug?)

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	HuT:
	TAkrunch:	I'd never hate you chadmann

[Midas]

inb4 "I don't always apologize but when I do I don't remember it" memes

[dippa]

Originally Posted by MensA

When I first made this thread, I honestly didn't really remember being such an asshole to people. I haven't played on SEA or really had anything to do with the community or it's players in over a year. In the past couple of days however I was invited to play a few games of DotA with some of the SEA players, it sounded like fun so I hopped on the TS server that they used and we had a blast! It was maybe the most fun I had had online in a while.

While on the TS server though it came to my attention that I was legitimately hated by a lot of the SEA players that I had encountered during the time that I had been actively playing on SEA. I was completely shocked and caught off guard by it because I had no idea that these people that I hadn't really thought much of in a year had such serious hatred towards me! I didn't really remember specifically being an asshole and I was pretty dumbfounded.

I made this thread in hopes of figuring things out and hopefully resolving the issues that people had with me. Well, only one of those things has completely happened and it isn't the latter! I remember the dumb things that I've done and said, the people I've insulted, and the possible bridges that I have burned. I'm sincerely sorry to anyone affected by the idiotic things that I've made them put up with in the past. I've always had a problem with my ego and attitude, it's gotten me into trouble in the past and it's something I continue to work on every day. I'm not the same person I was a year ago, even though I'm not a kid I know I have immature tendencies and they often get the better of me.

It's okay if no one forgives me but do know that I'm sorry and do seek your forgiveness. If put in the same situations that I was in when acting like an idiot in the past I promise you I would behave differently. I took losing way too hard in the past and it caused me to lash out. I'm embarrassed for myself thinking back on the stupid things I've done.

I'm sorry, if given the chance I'd like to make it up to all of you!

That's a crazy good apology. ****, even the writing is excellent.

Now: it's time to follow through.

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JoFritzMD:

I think I had a tear in my eye by the end of it

[IrisFlaunt]

hi mensa, what was the song called in your stream at around the 25min mark? http://www.twitch.tv/s2shinya/b/307696040

[Mr_Zain]

Originally Posted by EdgE

You were better in DotA than Zain one game so you're alright

Mate how did I know my name would fly in here hahaha.

Mensa, haters gonna hate, just keep up the good manner and they'll fade away. Can't please them all - I wouldn't lose sleep over it champ!

[TAhackdZ]

I have no thoughts on this BM thing at all, I don't know you and don't care to know you. However I HIGHLY suggest that this thread be locked/closed.

We don't need this kind of shit storm on our forums. If you are legitimately sorry take it up with the people you offended, don't plaster it all over our forums.

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NvRossi:

i dont believe you read the whole thread HackdZ

[inFeZa]

Threads like this is why i come to sc2sea.com

[Gunter]

Im a bit of a dick i always have been i get aggravated easily i hate losing like most people but i get really mad at it especially if i think i could of win if i did this thing instead. and i have had and dished out my share of BM but its always good to apologize. i need to apologize to QEDbanana he seems liek a good bloke but i was a dick to him quite abit but it didnt mean it it was all just getting him riald up for shits and gigs good on ya anyways mate

[cRSenSei]

Hi Nate goodluck getting everyone to stop hating you!

I know he means well and really wants to make things right with everyone, everyone has a past to move on from even myself from my SC:BW days. Although it makes me cringe when I read your replies to defend yourself which include more information about who you beat in a clan war or what record you have on korea because that's not going to help or change what people think of you or your skill level here. What edge said is also true it's 90% tournaments and 10% ladder, the top SEA players don't even play on SEA for practice anymore because they know it's pretty much a joke so they all play on KR so saying I beat all the top SEA players on SEA ladder doesn't mean much we all take games off each other on the ladder from time to time and half the time it's just f*cking around "because it's SEA". When you and I first started playing in SEA in the go4sc2 tournies we both never won any so that's what they have to base your skill level vs SEA off, I know for myself I ALWAYS got bloody knocked out in semi's or finals vs iaguz/targa/mafia/glade. I know I had this discussion with you last night - getting into GM on KR is a completely different thing to getting matches vs GMs all the time and winning and having a good win percentage in top of masters.

I hope you can one day be forgiven and be apart of us on TS again for more DOTAs

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	EXCL:
	simon:	no point living or playing dota anymore! we lost our leader yesterday :(

[PiG]

Sorry I lost my fuse yesterday your replies seemed like a giant pile of brag rather then honestly trying to apologise for anything

Good rewrite of your OP.

[Maynarde]

I think this thing has run it's course, stuff like this should really be a blog imo.

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	inFeZa:	I CAN STILL USE THE REP SYSTEM TO POST IN THIS THREAD #powerabuse
	Stallion:	i agree but was entertaining
	Bloodmyst:	I wouldn't have gotten repped for saying "Honky Dory" if it was :(