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**nirvAnA** · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 5:23 PM

thanks all

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Originally Posted by DeathsFang

This is a great guide, well-written and very insulting to me because i fail at the same strategies used to defend rushes

thats why i also included the replays for all the cheese builds

. if you use the same strategies to defend, it might be your execution or a mechanics issue (i.e not building stuff when defending) thats the problem.

You can watch the replays and figure out what i did differently from you that succeded in stoping it so i hope that helps you.

ToRDeathsFang · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 7:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

thanks all

thats why i also included the replays for all the cheese builds

. if you use the same strategies to defend, it might be your execution or a mechanics issue (i.e not building stuff when defending) thats the problem.

You can watch the replays and figure out what i did differently from you that succeded in stoping it so i hope that helps you.

Yes...yes you are right. I don't have good game sense so i normally get royal-ra---, and also when its a sustained cheese like 7rr for example to much panic makes me do wrong things.

playwithonehand · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 2:53 PM

Nirvana is the Sc2 encyclopedia.
Thanks and good job, i learnt alot from this.

ToRDeathsFang · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 2:58 PM

LOL playwithonehand i think a lot of people are going to get ideas from that

nGenWild · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 3:20 PM

@jaz n edge
U KIDDING ME?
P just 1a = gg

Edrahil · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 5:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nGenWild

@jaz n edge
U KIDDING ME?
P just 1a = gg

I agree! that is usually the case when the protoss has 5 collosus + 3/3 upgrade 200/200 gateway army versus a pure bio based T army! I wish I was good enough to get into that situation more often!

Sixth · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 5:14 PM

i think i might have a crush on you nirv

deL · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 7:26 PM

If you a-move with P a single ghost does like 10,000 damage to your army + makes templars useless.

FlashDrakE · Wed, 23rd-Feb-2011, 10:23 PM

Great guide.

DRFT · Thu, 24th-Feb-2011, 4:29 AM

Youre awesome Nerv... we shud hang out

pXAero · Thu, 24th-Feb-2011, 7:52 PM

Can't wait to show the finished version to my friends, will help out so much!

I love how none of the terran cheese is included yet, that bit's gonna take a while.

FaDeKerrigan · Thu, 24th-Feb-2011, 8:02 PM

Awesome stuff Nirvana! Thanks alot the whole SEA community should read and appreciate this =)

shakers · Fri, 25th-Feb-2011, 7:05 AM

Just a quick question about the PvT - Proxy Gate - Scenario A:

Is it really worth sending the 5 SCV's to attack the gateway? What if he just cancels and builds another gateway; does that a couple of times and meanwhile builds a gateway back at his main. Would you not be behind because of lost mining time? I havent actually tested it or anything, just wondering.

Great guide btw!

**nirvAnA** · Fri, 25th-Feb-2011, 1:58 PM

Yeap! its extremely worth it to do it, you lose mining timing but he loses 150 for the gateway, and at least another 100 for the pylon at the end. Its at the start of the game, he doesnt have much money to cancel and rebuild the gateways so many times, just 2-3 at the very most and by that time you will have 4 marines and he would have invested so much and lost all his gateways and has no units so he will have to cut probes and lose alot to defend ur attack. yea the key is the timing, the more he cancels and rebuilds, the more money he loses from cancelling and the more his rush is delayed so u will have so many marines by the time his gateway finally is up. well when you test it out you will know ^^

for the protoss the best recovery from this failed cheese is to just give up staight away when he sends out the scvs, i.e cancel your gateway, lose that pylon and start rebuidling in your main. of course that also means you start the game at a disadvantage but thats what happens when you cheese!