[TofuGuy]

Bronze-Silver leagues are broken. You know why? These leagues are infested by people in the higher leagues who love to farm portraits. Most of them are in Masters and in Diamond.

I've reported a few players who obviously got themselves demoted so they can get easy wins from real Bronze-Silver players. I've added them to my friend list so I can check if they will really get the ban hammer.

Well, they are still out there, I tell you. I can still see them online almost everyday as if nothing happened.

[PiG]

Pretty sure this is plain wrong. There's like 1/100 games at most you will hit these people.

There really can't be that many people sad enough to do this to ruin ladder unless you're laddering at like 5am and hit the same person repeatedly.

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[Volition]

Originally Posted by PiG

Pretty sure this is plain wrong. There's like 1/100 games at most you will hit these people.

There really can't be that many people sad enough to do this to ruin ladder unless you're laddering at like 5am and hit the same person repeatedly.

While PiG is an absolute boss, I have friends in bronze and silver league, and i think the 1% is too low for how many smurfs are down there. Depending on how you define smurf (say that they have been Plat+ in 1v1 in the last 5 seasons), i would think that probably at least 1/20 games are smurf games. While 5% isnt that much higher than 1%, take for example that Zoom was in my plat league at the start of this season... and smurfs are going to be more active than most players who play their 1 game and log out for the season

The OP though is just wrong, a lot of players in silver and bronze get obsessed with who is smurfing, and try to say that a diamond 3v3 player = smurf. It doesnt. Losing the very occasional game cannot ruin bronze and silver league.

To TofuGuy, stick with it, it doesnt get any better on the way up. Work on your mechanics and learn a few timing attack builds. best of luck

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[ToRVenom]

Originally Posted by PiG

Pretty sure this is plain wrong. There's like 1/100 games at most you will hit these people.

There really can't be that many people sad enough to do this to ruin ladder unless you're laddering at like 5am and hit the same person repeatedly.

I think i may have to disagree with this to an extant. And also disagree with the OP, again to an extant.

firsly pig, one of my mates is in bronze and he vs's players every 3rd game or so that are clearly just there farming portraits or just playing the bronze league. After the games you look at ther profile and they have over 2k games and you see they win a game by over 40k points. its insane. And then after each match they leave their next game instantly . They do this to stay in the bronze league.

However with the OP. I think it is a bit harsh to be saying that the ladder is broken . There is very little Blizzard can do to stop this from happening with out upsetting some sort of balance with the ladder.
They have it now where you can report players who are just deliberately leaving games just to drop to lower leagues. I believe this is possibly the bets blizzard can do about it. I know this is a problem, i have seen this as an issue when watch my mate "Gunter" play.

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[JoFritzMD]

What PiG said. Also, I'm pretty sure 90% of the people farming portraits just worker rush so really they have no advantage over the other person.

[NvPinder]

This is vintage "the only reason I can't get out of D+ is because i keep running into tons of A- korean smurfs" iCCup logic.

Everyone that gets out of bronze/silver has to play the EXACT same ammount of smurfers/people who dropped there mmr as you do. You are at absolutely no disadvantage to anyone else in bronze/silver in terms of making your way out. And as pig said, I HIGHLY doubt you're running into as many masters and GM smurfs as you think you are, don't use it as an excuse every 2nd game you lose to a person much better than you.

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[Nemo]

Post replays of your games against those "Master smurfs". We will help you improve your game so you can beat them.

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[Mayo]

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

[syfCabracan]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

Wouldn't it be great if this was how to worked when you went diamond -> master : )

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

You're just improving, it's hard to notice yourself getting mechanically better at the game, its just something that happens over time, kinda like trying to judge how much better your aim is getting in FPS's.

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B and S are hard to get out of, but once you r, they play worse than brocoli

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

This is normal though. In bronze, people are just trying to make stuff. In silver, generally they are trying to get comfortable with following build orders and things unnatural to them, and so because they don't execute these properly it will often seem easier.

I had this period of time where I was getting better, but actually had worse results on the ladder. Basically, I trained myself early to overcome getting supply blocked by making way too many of supply depots early, to the point where I'd be at 34/91 supply or something ridiculous. Of course, it didn't matter as I was still able to execute something that resembled a 1/1/1 well enough to kill my opponents. When I went back to fix it up, it took a lot of losses before I was able to correct my play

So there'll be ups and downs right through your playing career, it doesn't mean smurfs are to blame.

[AxS.Sorathez]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

The same thing happened to me back when I was in bronze-silver... I remember being SO happy about finally getting in to silver, started thrashing everyone, and then gold a week later.
I don't entirely know what happened, but I think it's just that sometimes players experience a sudden burst of skill, getting promoted, and then having an easy time in the league above. Maybe not, but that's what I think.

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[ToRSpookToR]

Because people in bronze do things that dont make sense haha. or you gosu

[Mayo]

Originally Posted by Spo0k

Because people in bronze do things that dont make sense haha. or you gosu

Yeah this is true, but also true for Silver.
I wonder how some people even make it from bronze to silver some times.. I played a Terran on Friday night, won the game @ 22 minutes and his natural was only half completed.

He went 1 base with bio/mech and then transitioned into battle cruisers...

Or a Protoss I played on Friday night went void rays against my BIO army, called Terran OP when I beat him and then continued to tell me that he didn't use build orders or strategies.

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[ToRSpookToR]

i have the same problem in diamond everyone that beats me is a smurf its a real problem

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Umad bro? :P

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by HoHVenom

And then after each match they leave their next game instantly .

This would mean that players in Bronze league - statistically would hit the smurfs and lose to them in a legit game and hit the smurfs when they leave the game straight away equally - there for cancel out the effect on MMR..

play more games - you'll get out of Bronze.

I think... I was never in Bronze

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[ToRVenom]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

This would mean that players in Bronze league - statistically would hit the smurfs and lose to them in a legit game and hit the smurfs when they leave the game straight away equally - there for cancel out the effect on MMR..

This is assuming they hit that one person over and over again. Again not all players are smurfs.
So There is a chance for people to go up int he league however with the amount of smurfs you can face on the ladder i am saying it is alot harder now for players to advance out of bronze and silver.

[QEDFridge]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

I think... I was never in Bronze

this line infuriates me :P

[Bloodmyst]

Is it possible to get bronze smurfs in Platinum? It's bullshit I tell you! 2ez!

On a serious note, don't worry about it dude. On the rare occasion I come up against a smurf and get roflstomped, these are the games I learn most from! So I don't mind it too much tbh.

If you want to look on the positive side of things, every now and then I come across those players deliberately losing games to get demoted. One night I got matched up against the same guy 4 times and he had left the game each time. I think the amount of smurfs you play against = the amount of leavers you play against. It evens itself out.

There's only 2 things that grinds my gears in this game;

1. Storm
2. Spook always being 1 league above me! Grrrrrr!

[Frogmite]

I just played a blatant smurf, his name is tScDjent please be carefull everybody.

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LOL

[Mayo]

I can personally say that across my ~50 games of Bronze, I only played 2 portrait farmers and 0 smurfs (from what I could tell).

[Akilos]

Of all the games I've ever played I haven't even bumped into portrait farmers while in bronze and silver. I just got out of silver like a day ago.I wonder how you manage to bump into them.

[ZethaXEL]

Haha had a game where i was against a terran player and i was on 3 base about to take my fourth at the same time was on robo tech(collosi) with 3-3 on the way for my army until he did like a multi drops killing my expos and pylons with 3-3 marine marauder. My army was no matched for his mm ball supported with vikings and ghost emping my army to death >.<.... Turns out he was diamond for a few seasons and suddenly dropped to silver O.O but it was cool as at the very least i faced a decent player =)

note:Was learning toss at that moment >.<

[lisward]

I'm bronze and I'm pretty sure I met at least 4-5. Played like 2 of them, 3 of them just kept on leaving the game at the start, it was really cute.

[Shana]

Originally Posted by lisward

I'm bronze and I'm pretty sure I met at least 4-5. Played like 2 of them, 3 of them just kept on leaving the game at the start, it was really cute.

I met one Platinum player yesterday that left the game after 5 secs. When I check his match history, he always leave the game if its a PvP -.- no idea why he hates PvP

[TACeeSerps]

I played against a Smurf doing placement the other day. Not his fault he got paired against me, but I got rolfstomped hard. Now he is in Top 50.. at least I can say I've played against a while in league. Guess he isn't really smurfing if he is now in but being in league, it felt wrong having to play against someone that skilled.

I feel like when playing against smurfs/portrait farmers, you have to look at the positive. That one day you may get to the point where you can beat them straight up. Then you will know all your hard work is worth it, while they spent there time playing against easier competition.

Shoutout to whoever NocturnaIsle is, thanks for being manner about the game.

[Hydroid]

Maybe I was just too awful at the game to notice, but I spent 3 months in bronze when I got the game and played a couple hundred games down there and never noticed any smurfs. One or two players who had a couple thousand league wins, but looking at their records they played sporadically with bad mechanics and not doing too well.

[ProAnnn]

Potrait farmers often have close to 0 MMR so they play other portrait farmers. Means they leave every single game, they farm portrait by having their opponent leave faster than them.

[mushistar]

Most portrait farmers arnt that good tho D: ive met like.. two that were really good out of 40ish and this is in the past two months from playing na/kr/sea. xD

[inFeZa]

I have about 4 accounts that i just use to tank to bronze and farm portraits. Sorry for ruining your day.

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Stallion:

LOL <3

[Shana]

Just play your best and try to win those so call portraits farmers

I played against a Gold Zerg which was a Diamond player in all previous leagues, guess what? I rofl storm him FLAT while trying to confuse me with his words in the game.

always try to best anyone you play against. Treat lost games as a way to learn new stuffs or reinforce your builds. And most importantly is to HAVE FUN!!!

[ToRDarKnoob]

i dun think purpously dropping is banned it just means ur a dick imo

( and free points for me!)

[x5_dot]

Can someone explain to me the appeal of portrait farming? WTF IS THAT?? o.O

I've seen some of those people with hundreds of wins but less points than me and i'm like "heeheehee i have more points than you NA NA NA NA NA NAAAA NAAAAA!"

[Cordance]

Originally Posted by dot89

Can someone explain to me the appeal of portrait farming? WTF IS THAT?? o.O

I've seen some of those people with hundreds of wins but less points than me and i'm like "heeheehee i have more points than you NA NA NA NA NA NAAAA NAAAAA!"

But they get prwwity pictures so next season they break out of bronze with their l33t skills and go on their way.

Seriously though playing against higher ranked people use to always make me happy because build steal incoming once I watch that replay. Its why I always play in the CO when I can, I know Im going to get stomped but I also know Im going to get to see a solid build or some rude cheese (which is also semi solid just if you have to much it gives you the runs). If your getting stomped there is clearly a flaw in your play look for it, improve it and rank up. If you cant deal with losing you are going to be more frustrated than a one handed man with sand paper stuck to his palm and no G/F. SC2 match making system is meant to get you to lose 50% of the time.

[Stokez]

Yeah personally i have never versed a portrait farmer. Just luck of the draw I guess

[Aiya]

Smurfs are just Masters on the ladder, and Masters stay forever~~

[Lurch]

During a 3v3 match with a couple of my silver mates... We hit Yangg and with a couple of other 1v1 GM's. I don't think it was portrait farming though :-).

[Dawei]

The only ever time I have played the same player 3 times in a row was against a farmer - good for me in terms of getting 3 instant wins in a row haha but yeah long run not too good.

I've also came across people who quit simply because they hate TvT. Some people quit for various reasons.

I love getting worker rushed! It's great fun to defend and then smash them!

[syfCabracan]

When blizzard finds portrait farmers they should lock their portrait to something rediculous for x length of time, they would lose customers but it would be funny.

[Easy]

They should remove all their achievements. That would be awsome, same with map hackers , remove their ladder ranking, make them play 50 practice matches or something like that :P

Did 50-10 on bronze, facing 7 smurfers. I think thats sad, portraits are cool when you actually earned them with a lot of work, not playing BSG Players.

[Bash]

This one time, i didnt play SEA ladder for 2 seasons so i could hit bronze & work my way up again.
I'll let you all know how that goes.

[dKiWi]

9 pylon
12 forge
14 cannon
16 cannon
18 cannon
20 cannon
21 gateway
25 core
28 stargate
29 pylon
35 fleet beacon

Standard bronze league build order.

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[xxGunslingerxx]

Been said before but yeah there just aren't enough people in that 20% slot to really influence your w/l ratio significantly. If you think you played a smurf, shrug and hit the find game button stick at it and you'll be silver in no time

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Mayo:

Good advice!

[Johnny.L]

Smurfers are making it harder for me to get my friends into this game >.<" I always let them play around with my little brothers account and all they complain about is that they feel like they're getting better but still getting raped by people in bronze.

[TABjornbrandr]

Originally Posted by Johnny.L

Smurfers are making it harder for me to get my friends into this game >.<" I always let them play around with my little brothers account and all they complain about is that they feel like they're getting better but still getting raped by people in bronze.

That is perfectly normal. There is a huge skill difference between the top and bottom of bronze league. Top bronze is often people with a reasonable idea of what to do but without the confidence/mechanical skill to do it efficiently OR people who have no idea what to do but just make lots of shit and hit at times when you aren't ready for it.
Bronze is an odd league, it just keeps getting better afterwards, though.

[FSDarkNemesis]

And smurfers still make my life difficult just to find a Freaking WIN in the Freaking Bronze league! I'm still in Bronze 1v1....Dafug man.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by UltimateDeep

And smurfers still make my life difficult just to find a Freaking WIN in the Freaking Bronze league! I'm still in Bronze 1v1....Dafug man.

Why your signature tells you're ?

The important thing is not your league but your level. So questions you should ask yourself:

• Are you beating 80% of the non-smurfers ?
• Are you paired with and player ?
• Are you beating 60% of s and 40% of ?

When you do that, you'll have improved enough to be promoted to . Then you will just have to be patient to play enough games at that level to be promoted. At worst, you will at the beginning of next season.

[Zealo]

And smurfers still make my life difficult just to find a Freaking WIN in the Freaking Bronze league! I'm still in Bronze 1v1....Dafug man.

this belief is incorrect. smurfers do not make it harder to win in or harder to get out of bronze league. for someone to tank their MMR they have to lose a ton. the way they do this is by losing a ton. this means that someone is winning, so someone is getting free ladder points/MMR. this 'someone' is the people in lower leagues they are smurfing in. statistically, for every smurfer that smashes you, another one deliberately lost to you.

if you can't get out of bronze league, it means at least one of two things:
a) you haven't played enough ladder games
b) you are not good enough to be in silver

blaming the existence of smurfers just makes you look as whiny (and wrong) as the people who say "i can't get out of bronze because people keep cheesing me, otherwise i'd be in gold."


sorry to single you out, your post was just a good example of the attitude that annoys me about this issue.

[Gibber]

Related... but im not saying that its extremely common or the reason why im still in lower leagues but it is disheartening.

I played 7 games a few nights about, 5 of which where smurfs. I pretty much got crushed in all five games, and looking at there season history it was, diamond+ for all of them.

Normally only get one smurfer in every 20-30 games.

[turtles]

Statistically speaking, for every smurfer who beats you shouldn't you also face a smurfer who leaves the instant the game starts?

How can you be facing so much more of one than the other?

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Smurfs? Son, there sure aren't smurfs like there used to be in my day.

Back in TT (that's Age of Mythology: The Titans for you whippersnappers), you could make as many accounts as you liked.

The ladder worked with a straight up Elo system, starting at 1600. Now, I spent the majority of my time rated around 1750, which varied a lot, because there was this thing called self-rating. When you made a new account, you could elect to self rate yourself as an expert, and it would match you with players 150 Elo points above.

Elo works on giving you points based on the difference in Elos between the players - so an average win or loss is 20 points. A loss to a self rater costs 40 points, while a win against a self rater is 5 points. That shit gets frustrating fast.

There were plenty of 1800+ players that would make a new account every time they lost their 100% wins record. There were also plenty of people using various hacks (anywhere from them appearing to resign 2 seconds in but getting the win, to spawning infinite invincible units from the campaign, to your garden variety map hack which when turned off in game caused it to go out of sync).

If you think you're playing smurfs in SC2, either they're an idiot, they got shit, or you're getting better.

[Xeen]

Same shit as we heard in BW: 'I can't get out of D because of all the smurfs!' Generally, just like in BW, it was an excuse for being bad at videogames. Shockingly enough, everyone else is trying to win, so you're not guaranteed wins in bronze - you're guaranteed to get your ass kicked until you learn how to play, and making excuses isn't helping.

Son, I rejoiced when I had a chance to play a real smurf too, because one game against that A-rank would teach me more than a dozen games with Ds.

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Mayo:

[Wolf_Dragunov]

well i have recently have been promoted into silver from bronze and it was a awesome feeling i havent vsed a smurf in a lng time. i was beating most of my silvers and ended up winning all of my gold match3es and i still am beating gold players in silver and ive met 3 plat beat 2 and lost 1 so im not to sure i havent seen many smurfs, i thnk just 1 and i got so angry it wasn't funny but idk i think if you can play some solid games (for eg this season i am now at a win los of 33 Wins to 10 loses so im really happy with that win loss it has showed that i have developed from what i was at the start of last season.

[Statix]

all i can say with promotion is play lots of games and as long as ur winning 50% of them ull get promoted. I was drip drapping games for best part of 6 months and feeling like i was never going to get out and then i took a holiday and hit the ladder hard, was out during that same week . . . yes, prolly 100 games later, but if ur not already subscribed get the GM manuals and literally follow the walkthrough builds and watch the replay which executes them, its just pro, believe me got me to gold in korea

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Statix

all i can say with promotion is play lots of games and as long as ur winning 50% of them ull get promoted. I was drip drapping games for best part of 6 months and feeling like i was never going to get out and then i took a holiday and hit the ladder hard, was out during that same week . . . yes, prolly 100 games later, but if ur not already subscribed get the GM manuals and literally follow the walkthrough builds and watch the replay which executes them, its just pro, believe me got me to gold in korea

You actually need to win more than 50% - if you only win exactly 50%, your MMR will never change because you're playing at exactly the level you should be!

[TAScaramanga]

Originally Posted by breadfan

You actually need to win more than 50% - if you only win exactly 50%, your MMR will never change because you're playing at exactly the level you should be!

Yeah 50% winnrate keeps your mmr stale

[Statix]

Originally Posted by breadfan

You actually need to win more than 50% - if you only win exactly 50%, your MMR will never change because you're playing at exactly the level you should be!

I dont think MMR rating goes off just wins though and looking into this over the last year and watching my friends get promoted who have around a 50% win rate just like me are getting promoted. Just because you lost a game doesnt mean to say you are the worse player of the two in sc2 as it could have been down to a mis-rally

i think it goes off a macro Vs gametime + wins(against skill level) and then blizz calculates army values and resource collection rate . cos i swear when i was getting promoted to silver from bronze i was loosing a lot more than i was winning but still got promoted.

just to add, Apollo has done a tut series and you can clearly see his APM is way off the scale compared to a regular bronze and it started matching him against plats pretty quickly after 10 wins or so, ive had 70wins in my league and gold have only featured a few times in my matchups making me think ,yeah the wins are counted of course but i dont think they may be the rolling factor in MMR

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Statix

I dont think MMR rating goes off just wins though and looking into this over the last year and watching my friends get promoted who have around a 50% win rate just like me are getting promoted. Just because you lost a game doesnt mean to say you are the worse player of the two in sc2 as it could have been down to a mis-rally

i think it goes off a macro Vs gametime + wins(against skill level) and then blizz calculates army values and resource collection rate . cos i swear when i was getting promoted to silver from bronze i was loosing a lot more than i was winning but still got promoted.

just to add, Apollo has done a tut series and you can clearly see his APM is way off the scale compared to a regular bronze and it started matching him against plats pretty quickly after 10 wins or so, ive had 70wins in my league and gold have only featured a few times in my matchups making me think ,yeah the wins are counted of course but i dont think they may be the rolling factor in MMR

No, it's quite literally just your win rate and the MMR of your opponents.

You might win 3 games in a row - first person has MMR 1500, the 3rd person is favoured and has an MMR of 1650. So from now on you are playing vs people at around 1650 also, so even if you maintain 50%, you end up in front of where you were originally.

Apollo got promoted that far and fast because he went 10-0, not because his APM is high. He went from beating bronze players consistently to beating silver players consistently to beating gold players consistently, etc. If you lost at any point, match making says "you can lose against these players, so this is at least close to where you belong". There's an abuse of a flaw in this system where people deliberately tank their MMR to bronze and when the next season starts, they win a quick 40 games in a row or whatever and skyrocket into GM. Not sure if it's fixed.

[TACeeSerps]

I can now officially say I played against a Rank 4 while in league and I lasted more than 10 minutes. Even if it was only part of his 5 placement matches. Yay for league and protecting against the early rush/cheese.

Who is NocturnaIsle anyways?? Is that a smurf or a genuine account?

[Johnny.L]

Lol this guy is probably getting targeted by smurfers

[SGquaZa]

Well i only know 2 ppl who smurf in these leagues but thats it really. What u could do is report this ppl if u can proof it. just look at the careeer and check if they have been in in a higher leagues the seasson before cuz its unlikely someone will become that bad and will (for example) be Diamond and the next seasson bronze thats just unreal

[Skull]

Well for as much as i played few seasons ago , everything is still okay , and never met any of those u said

[nOtse]

I believe I have only ran into 1 "smurf" since I have started playing. Wasn't even really a smurf was a master who hadn't played in a couple of seasons and was playing placements. I was more dissapointed of the fact that he drone rushed me =[

[deL]

People who tank to bronze are sick, sick individuals and should be dealt with in the harshest way possible and also they probably have tiny penises.

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[Statix]

i see what ur saying fan but i literally got promoted off a ton of losses, makes me think if there is something else a foot, noit only that i won one game on my KR account placement and got placed in gold which i think is purely wrong but my macro isnt bad . . or so im told anyway

[Nemo]

In fact Battle.net use a margin of error on your MMR. When you improve, you're going to make big win runs. The margin of error on your MMR will increase along your MMR itself. When it happens Battle Net will make you face people with significantly higher level to "test your level". In that process, you're going to loose many games but it helps BNet narrowing that margin of error until the system has a good certitude on you and then it promotes you to your new league.

[ToRFutureBoy]

Originally Posted by Nemo

In fact Battle.net use a margin of error on your MMR. When you improve, you're going to make big win runs. The margin of error on your MMR will increase along your MMR itself. When it happens Battle Net will make you face people with significantly higher level to "test your level". In that process, you're going to loose many games but it helps BNet narrowing that margin of error until the system has a good certitude on you and then it promotes you to your new league.

I can attest to this personally. when I started this season with barely any 1v1 games under my belt in silver league I was predominantly playing bronze players. Then after a bunch of wins they were silver, middle of the road silver. Now that I'm 10th in my sivler league I'm playing guys at the same level and gold players (even a random plat thrown in!)

[jtxgaming]

Wouldnt say leagues are broken, especially after reading blogs by a person named 'Gheed'
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=271453
TL;DR ; he basically worker rushes to bronze and worker rushes bronze players and tries to understand why bronze players are infact - BRONZE -
Concluded that, bronze cannot a-move, sit in base waiting for something, don't manage base while looking in base (this is their only cam movement), claim that worker rushing is unfair and that race X has an advantage.

[MacGuffinSC]

Originally Posted by jtxgaming

Wouldnt say leagues are broken, especially after reading blogs by a person named 'Gheed'
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=271453
TL;DR ; he basically worker rushes to bronze and worker rushes bronze players and tries to understand why bronze players are infact - BRONZE -
Concluded that, bronze cannot a-move, sit in base waiting for something, don't manage base while looking in base (this is their only cam movement), claim that worker rushing is unfair and that race X has an advantage.

You know what is really confusing is I see replays from people stuck in bronze and they are doing stuff I see in masters, but then this level of bronze comes along and completely baffles me. So much variance in bronze it should really be called the rainbow / dice league or something.

[Bloodmyst]

Why bother with an on screen cartoon badge? Just play one game at a time and focus on one game at a time.

I'm not sure about everyone else..... but in my own experience, as soon as the ladder system starts to match you up with players a league above you and you can show a 50% win rate "against the players who are a league above you"..... expect an inc promotion

I'm not so sure why you would get upset at someone smurfing on ladder... so you can get to said league to show off your e-peen? However, I can understand why someone would rage at a smurf in a tournament environment.

If you do come up against a smurf on ladder, just focus on kicking his butt! If you do, kudos! It's not like a gold player can't beat a diamond player, it's happenend before. If you lose to the smurf, look at it in a positive way, watch the replay and I'm sure you will be able to learn heaps!

TLDR; Stop looking at your ranking/league! Who cares, just focus on 1 game at a time and the promotion will eventually come.

[jtxgaming]

I guess we can conclude that bronze is a diverse league.

[TheDanAbides]

Or perhaps you can take a different attitude...

What a fantastic match up it is if you get matched vs a masters league as a bronze leaguer. Sounds like free practice lessons to me.

If I had a choice between only matching Grandmaster/High masters and grinding my way up Plat/Diamond as I am now..I'd choose the former.

Then again I only get enjoyment via the competition of it all so I suppose it could differ.

[Daboo]

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[TABottles]

too many smurfs in gold imo - i dropped to silver because of this reason alone

[Xeen]

I had a smurf at rank 1 Master on sc2ranks. This is clearly a problem in every league.

That means even if you leave Bronze, you will be preyed on. ezgg