[ToRsLeePiNz]

hmm PvP - War of the worlds? i think stargate phx range upgrade would help alot more now ....

[crAzerk]

What implications would the Phoenix buff have ? Does this mean they can literally kite Mutalisks forever now? (before they could already do so quite well, now even better?)

I like the MULE nerf, makes just a little bit less ridiculous (though still quite )

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

What implications would the Phoenix buff have ? Does this mean they can literally kite Mutalisks forever now? (before they could already do so quite well, now even better?)

Yeah, literally exactly that, before we only had 1 extra range than a muta, so kiting was actually quite difficult to do without taking hits if the zerg was good at running around -> turning around to attack -> run away -> turn around to attack. With the upgrade we will have 3 range on them which will make it piss easy.

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inFeZa:

Correct. Not to mention the lag trying to kite mutas then they turn around, and you're trying to chase without flying directly at them and then they just turn around and poof goes all your phoenix.

[MooZfY]

I think more protoss are going for Colossus Phoenix now O_O

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by zoomforyou

I think more protoss are going to go Colossus Phoenix now O_O

Collosi pheonix compositions were alrdy pretty cost innefficient vs ghost-viking-MMM. Paying 400/300 for an upgrade that really doesnt change all that much at all (the vikings still just face-rape the collosi while the phoenix do relatively piss-weak dmg to them, leaving you with usually a bunch of energyless phoenix after every fight because theyve been EMPd) I dont think would even be remotely worth it compared to normal HT/archon + collosi + gateway compositions.

[wTlzq]

seems like the zerg deathball of BL,corrupters and infestors have another problem other than the mama vortex now :P

[faithHunter]

I'm Terran and for some reason I like this patch. About time they did something with MULES on Gold. This is the right decision Blizz should be making IMO (Making MULES mine the same amount of minerals on gold as they do on regular mineral patches). From what I read on the Ghost Snipe Nerf, it can be said that Blizz wants to make Ghosts more of an anti-spellcaster unit. The Phoenix range upgrade will probably make Ling Muta a lot weaker in general, and we will see Protosses going for Phoenixes AND maybe even Carriers since you also get Carrier tech for teching to Fleet Beacon.


Patch conclusion:

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GOOD FOR PROTOSS, BAD FOR TERRAN, EEEEEEYEAAAAHHHHH

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Rageboredguy:

Psy reference :D

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by neozxa

I'm Terran and for some reason I like this patch. About time they did something with MULES on Gold. This is the right decision Blizz should be making IMO (Making MULES mine the same amount of minerals on gold as they do on regular mineral patches). From what I read on the Ghost Snipe Nerf, it can be said that Blizz wants to make Ghosts more of an anti-spellcaster unit. The Phoenix range upgrade will probably make Ling Muta a lot weaker in general, and we will see Protosses going for Phoenixes AND maybe even Carriers since you also get Carrier tech for teching to Fleet Beacon.


Patch conclusion:

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GOOD FOR PROTOSS, BAD FOR TERRAN, EEEEEEYEAAAAHHHHH

It will be better for mothership tech, not carrier. nobody goes carrier.... except for me.

[faithHunter]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.inFeZa

It will be better for mothership tech, not carrier. nobody goes carrier.... except for me.

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ZC.EvilSWAT:

Even the interceptors refuse to dock at this ship

[iMSystem]

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Xenomorph:

iOrly o_O

[ToRSmotPokingFish]

i think i have done enough ranting, now i have good sleep my thoughts on this patch:

Terran Mules on gold no one can complain about, its been a long time coming

Snipe nerf, i think this was a bit drastic, i think a simple cool down on snipe would of sufficed as if you get too many ghosts you cannot invest in other tech.

As i have not played much protoss i do not know the problems protoss face with mutas, but they could kite with pheonix, i think this upgrade will be good, but it seems the tech would need to be 'rushed' to get it out before mutas, also MOAR MOTHERSHIPS I HOPE

[inFeZa]

IS DAVID KIM HIGH?
lol

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.inFeZa

It will be better for mothership tech, not carrier. nobody goes carrier.... except for me.

I had a dude do carriers (and basically nothing else but shitloads of cannons!) the other day But that's bronze, so what can you do, lol

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by Asrathiel

I had a dude do carriers (and basically nothing else but shitloads of cannons!) the other day But that's bronze, so what can you do, lol

You maybe played vs me. n_n you need a billion cannons to stay alive.

[Eddie]

Seem like reasonable changes.

Question regarding Phoenixes, Graviton Beam would also have increased range from the upgrade?

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Eddie

Seem like reasonable changes.

Question regarding Phoenixes, Graviton Beam would also have increased range from the upgrade?

Highly, highly doubtful. Although it would make the (assumed)400/300 investment more worth it if that was the case.

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.inFeZa

You maybe played vs me. n_n you need a billion cannons to stay alive.

lol, you smurfing in bronze??

[Peleus]

Wow, great to see an awesome terran give intelligent (seemingly) unbiased insight into the patch, well done iaguz.

[SLCN.Kez]

I think a lot of the reason golds will always be better for terran is because the mule can still mine over the scvs mining the gold base so they still mine it out quicker and get more minerals per minute than other races, also because terran is pretty reliant on minerals and gas isnt as much of an issue unless theyre going mech the more minerals they have the better, where as for zerg or protoss its not highly uncommon to see 1 or 2k minerals banked but have gas as their limiting factor, but I spose atleast they changed it somewhat

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by kez

I think a lot of the reason golds will always be better for terran is because the mule can still mine over the scvs mining the gold base so they still mine it out quicker and get more minerals per minute than other races, also because terran is pretty reliant on minerals and gas isnt as much of an issue unless theyre going mech the more minerals they have the better, where as for zerg or protoss its not highly uncommon to see 1 or 2k minerals banked but have gas as their limiting factor, but I spose atleast they changed it somewhat

Not at all. Terran gets mules because protoss gets to chronoboost probes and zerg gets inject so they can both outproduce Terran in workers. So if mules mine the same amount regardless of where you drop them, it's actually disadvantageous for Terran to drop them on gold precisely because you are mining it out faster without the faster income the gold -should- be providing.