[FaDeBadger]

Championship League B
Week 2 matchups

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Thursday 26th January 9.00PM AEDT :ToT4 - 2crux

Game1:	doctor	2 - 0	cruxFate	on GSL Bel'shir beach (winter)
Game2:	Phoenix	2 - 0	cruxSpoon	on GSL Antiga Shipyard
Game3:	adybToT	2 - 0*	cruxTc	on GSL Daybreak
Game4:	YiDaToT	2 - 0	cruxTeslaz	on GSL Dual Sight
Ace match:	oGrNsCo	1 - 2	cruxShoodyo	on MLG Taldarim Altar

+ [map pool loser picks no veto] +

MLG Taldarim Altar, WCG Metalopolis, MLG Shakuras Plateau, GSL Antiga Shipyard, GSL Daybreak, WCG The Shattered Temple, GSL Dual Sight

Week 2: Which team wins the match?
ToT	Bet!
crux	Bet!
Draw	Bet!

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Thursday 26th January 9.00PM AEDT :nRv 3 - 3 WNGiWNG

Game1:	Flamga	0 - 2	Petraeus	on GSL Bel'shir Beach (winter)
Game2:	Ease	2 - 0	Venom	on GSL Antiga Shipyard
Game3:	LiOn	2 - 0*	Digby	on GSL Daybreak
Game4:	Faulting	2 - 0*	Kroot	on GSL Dual Sight
Ace match:	nRvGrim	1 - 2	lzq	on MLG Taldarim Altar

+ [map pool loser picks no veto] +

MLG Taldarim Altar, WCG Metalopolis, MLG Shakuras Plateau, GSL Antiga Shipyard, GSL Daybreak, WCG The Shattered Temple, GSL Dual Sight

Week 2: Which team wins the match?
nRv	Bet!
WNG	Bet!
Draw	Bet!

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Thursday 26th January 9.00PM AEDT :FaDe 4 - 2 ToR

Game1:	FaDeManly	2 - 0*	Kringe	on GSL Bel'shir Beach (winter)
Game2:	FaDeGofire	0 - 2	Superman	on GSL Antiga Shipyard
Game3:	FaDeEdOne	0 - 2	Danosaur	on GSL Daybreak
Game4:	Scope	2 - 0	Deesam	on GSL Dual Sight
Ace match:	FaDeVenosaur	2 - 0	Jae	on MLG Taldarim Altar

+ [map pool loser picks no veto] +

MLG Taldarim Altar, WCG Metalopolis, MLG Shakuras Plateau, GSL Antiga Shipyard, GSL Daybreak, WCG The Shattered Temple, GSL Dual Sight

Week 2: Which team wins the match?
FaDe	Bet!
ToR	Bet!
Draw	Bet!

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Thursday 26th January 11.00PM AEDT :Cube 3 - 3 HDMD-kT

Game1:	CubeBy	2 - 0	kTevilbox	on GSL Bel'shir Beach (winter)
Game2:	CubeRixilius	2 - 1	GTEunjung	on GSL Antiga Shipyard
Game3:	CubeDione	2 - 0	Kobushi	on GSL Daybreak
Game4:	CubeTanTaniX	0 - 2	paradox	on GSL Dual Sight
Ace match:	CubePayAso	0 - 2	polkadodge	on MLG Taldarim Altar

+ [map pool loser picks no veto] +

MLG Taldarim Altar, WCG Metalopolis, MLG Shakuras Plateau, GSL Antiga Shipyard, GSL Daybreak, WCG The Shattered Temple, GSL Dual Sight

Week 2: Which team wins the match?
Cube	Bet!
HDMD-kT	Bet!
Draw	Bet!

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Saturday 28th January 9.00PM AEDT :AsG 3 - 3 Iris

Game1:	Sedz	1 - 2	nGenCrimson	on GSL Bel'shir Beach (winter)
Game2:	Griefer	0 - 2*	IrisFlaunt	on GSL Antiga Shipyard
Game3:	Dox	2 - 0	IrisFresco	on GSL Daybreak
Game4:	Nadir	0 - 2	IrisAnother	on GSL Dual Sight
Ace match:	Chobo	2 - 0	TtGiGaKowi	on MLG Taldarim Altar

+ [map pool loser picks no veto] +

MLG Taldarim Altar, WCG Metalopolis, MLG Shakuras Plateau, GSL Antiga Shipyard, GSL Daybreak, WCG The Shattered Temple, GSL Dual Sight

Week 2: Which team wins the match?
AsG	Bet!
Iris	Bet!
Draw	Bet!

Official Caster - FaDeMeatex

Current Standings

Team	Win	Draw	Loss	Record	Points
1.ToT	2	0	0	7/3	6
2.nRv	1	1	0	7/3	4
3.AsG	1	1	0	6/4	4
4.Iris	1	1	0	6/4	4
5.ToR	1	0	1	6/4	3
6.FaDe	1	0	1	5/5	3
7.iWNGWNG	0	1	1	4/6	1
8.Cube	0	1	1	4/6	1
9.HDMD-kT	0	1	1	3/7	1
10.crux	0	0	1	2/8	0

* denotes walkover

Quick Comments

	cruxSpoon:	This Layout...is sex
	nirvAnA:

[mGGDaedalus]

Hey maybe for future weeks could these threads be posted in the SEA League subforums instead of the tournaments one? Took me a while to find this one this week

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by FaDeJoshboy

Hey maybe for future weeks could these threads be posted in the SEA League subforums instead of the tournaments one? Took me a while to find this one this week

Sure, if that makes it easier for people. I'll do that next week.

[FaDeBadger]

Lineups should have been submitted by now. All teams received a pm reminding them of the changed deadline. As of right now 2 teams have not submitted lineups. I allowed until midnight AEDT, 3 hours past the deadline because we changed it from the first week.

These two teams will both be deducted 1 point from the ladder. Please guys, make sure your lineups are submitted on time. I would hate to have results be affected by something as small as this. From this week onwards there will be zero tolerance on late submissions.

[Dox]

Which two teams?

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by Dox

Which two teams?

AsG and ToR. The two top teams >.< Can I get some feedback on whether people think there should be a warning the first time or point deduction straight away.

[Snx.FigJig]

In the other tiers a point has been deducted straight away, so unless they also give a warning it wouldn't be fair to just change it here imo. I think though there should be a warning though for the first time across all tiers.

Quick Comments

FaDeBadger:

That's my thinking. Probably an adjustment for next season

[Dox]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

AsG and ToR. The two top teams >.< Can I get some feedback on whether people think there should be a warning the first time or point deduction straight away.

Weird, we have a Facebook page where they copy/paste the line-up for everyone to see, and that was shared at 7:20PM on Monday.

[CHoBo(kice)]

I disagree with taking a point for first offence.

To be honest some people are unaware of exact procedures or what needs to be done as they may not have participated before.

From my perspective I was unaware we needed to submit scores twice seeing Cube submitted the match results I thought we wouldn't need to based on the fact they were already submitted.

I am not a team captain but this is my view of the situation.

I would hate to see players who played really hard including myself lose hard earned point for this.

Regardless the penalty, if it was clear what needed to be done I am sure they would have done it. I doubt they would be lazy and just not post it if they went to all the trouble of helping to organise it. Since there is more than 1 clan offender obviously it was not clear to more than 1... I am just looking outside the box really...

Your decision in the end.

Quick Comments

	MrToast:	Couldn't agree more
	ToRSpartaz:	Agreed, mate I hadn't even seen the note for the change. Assumed that the format for entering the line up was standard.

[Sedz]

This is entirely my fault Eddie/Badger.

Had a bit of an issue with the game being on Australia Day, most of our players were busy with family or friends so we got the match rescheduled. We (within the team) all agreed upon Sunday, but due to conflicts, the other team couldn't make Sunday, so we agreed on Saturday night. I thought because of the re-schedule I could delay submitting a line-up an extra day so I can actually chase up some fill-ins for those not able to make Saturday night as I did not want to submit an incorrect line-up.

However, rules are rules, whatever punishment you guys agree upon we'll take it and we'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

[CHoBo(kice)]

sorry i missed the point i thought results not lineup... my bad..
but yeah its been a huge mixup trying to reschedule as Thursday is a no go, trying to get all players to agree on a day .

[Another]

damn i wanted to play dox ! : D

[|Erasmus|]

Superman is Zerg for ToR... Just letting you know before FaDe calls shenanigans because they have been practicing for a toss... ><

Quick Comments

mGGDaedalus:

good to know, cheers

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Superman is Zerg for ToR... Just letting you know before FaDe calls shenanigans because they have been practicing for a toss... ><

Fixed, turns out I can't read.

[FaDeBadger]

Ok, after discussion with Frogmite and nirvAnA we've decided for tier 3 that a first time offence will receive a warning. If it happens again the team will lose a point, hopefully there will be no need for a 3rd penalty.

In future, if you reschedule your game to a later date and want to submit a delayed line up you must pm myself or Eddie and inform us when your lineup will be submitted at a latest of 48 hours before your new date. AsG and ToR, this is your first warning. While I fully appreciate the difficulties both teams had that ended up preventing them from submitting on time delayed lineups really inconvenience the write up of this thread.

Now that the business is out of the road, hopefully the games can be as awesome this week as they were last week. Gl hf.

Quick Comments

nirvAnA:

[Dox]

Thank you! That's awesome.

[Zealo]

probably fair, lineup was submitted >48 hours before the match, but should really pm admins to let you know what's happening

[Navi]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

Ok, after discussion with Frogmite and nirvAnA we've decided for tier 3 that a first time offence will receive a warning. If it happens again the team will lose a point, hopefully there will be no need for a 3rd penalty.

In future, if you reschedule your game to a later date and want to submit a delayed line up you must pm myself or Eddie and inform us when your lineup will be submitted at a latest of 48 hours before your new date. AsG and ToR, this is your first warning. While I fully appreciate the difficulties both teams had that ended up preventing them from submitting on time delayed lineups really inconvenience the write up of this thread.

Now that the business is out of the road, hopefully the games can be as awesome this week as they were last week. Gl hf.

I'm seriously hoping that other tiers receive warnings as well if this is the case??
It would be extremely unfair that other tiers are receiving a penalty whilst this tier just gets a slap on the hand??
I also still don't understand how they could not be submitted on time - I manage another team in this tier that was subject to the reschedule issues and still managed to get a line up in on time??

On another note, is it possible to cast my team's matches against AsG on saturday? I don't have work on weekends so am available to cast =]

[FaDeBadger]

Each tier is run by a seperate set of admins so we all tweak the rules slightly to fit our tier and our schedules. Generally speaking, the lower the tier the less strict the rules. I can't speak for the other admins, but I've been advised by Frogmite and nirvAnA (head admins) that for this tier there should be a warning. You'll have to take other tiers up with their respective admins.

You casting your teams matches should not be a problem. Make sure you get your stream listed on SC2SEA if it isn't already!

Quick Comments

Frogmite:

FaDeBaller

[Navi]

Cool thanks I'll deff have a chat to nirvana first =]

And thanks for permission, i'm pretty sure its been listed since the start of sc2sea but i've never actually double checked! :P

Bring on the games this Saturday! (And thursday )

[ProAnnn]

Actually, if you couldnt submit the lineup in time, you should contact your Tier's admin as soon as possible to get their understanding. For my case, my team(T2) was uncontactable due to CNY. I contacted the admin on the deadline itself and they granted me 1 day grace to submit lineup. I did what i should do to contact them but if you didnt even bother to contact your admins, you deserve the ladder point deduction.

[Cube.Dione]

HDMD-KT vs Cube will be 11pm AEDT, tnx tnx.

[ToRSpartaz]

So whats the situation for the first offense being a warning or not? Because in ToR's case I have been having problems with the Net as of late and haven't been able to check my PM's on Sc2sea and therefore I wasn't aware of the change in the registration.

I dont mind of course man, but just wondering

[FaDeBadger]

First offense is a warning, both ToR and AsG have officially received a warning. I will PM the managers after this round so they have an official note of the warning. Further offenses will result in point deduction.

[ToRSpartaz]

Kringe vs Manly (WO for FaDe)
Superman 2 > FaDeGoFire
Danosaur 2 > 0 FaDeEdOne
DeeSam 0 < 2 Scope
Trusty 0 < 2 FaDeVenosaur

Fade Win 4-2 Gg wp all ^^

[Reere]

nRv vs WNG [3-3] TIE

Flamga < Petraeus [0-2]
eASe > Venom [2-0]
LiOn > Digby [Walkover]
Faulting > Kroot [Walkover]
*nRvGrim < lzq [1-2]

* = Ace Match

GG WP all~

[Fate]

Results for Crux B (Spoon's Soldiers) vs ToT
game 1 Tot won (1 point) doctor(sub for darknite) 2 - 0 cruxFate
game 2 Tot Won (1 point) Phoenix 2 - 0 cruxSpoon
game 3 postphoned due to missing players and lack of subs adybToT vs cruXTC
game 4 Tot won (1 point) YiDaToT 2-0 cruxTeslaz
Ace match: Crux B won (2 points) oGrNsCo 1-2 cruxShoodyo

So at the moment its ToT 3 - 2 crux B, if Crux B wins the postphoned game 3 ToT and crux B will draw 3-3, if ToT wins game 3 ToT wins 4-0 due to ace match not being counted.

[Cube.Dione]

Game 1: GSL Bel'shir beach (winter) - CubeBy vs kTevilbox(P) 2:0
Game 2: GSL Antiga Shipyard - CubeRixilius vs GTEunjung(P) 2:1
Game 3: GSL Daybreak - CubeDione vs Kobushi(Z) 2:0
Game 4: GSL Dual Sight - CubeTanTaniX vs paradox(T) 0:2
Game 5: Ace game: MLG Taldarim Altar - CubePayAso vs polkadodge(T) 0:2

3:3 DRAW

[ToRSpartaz]

Sooo many draws xD

[Dox]

Game 1
SedZ 1-2 Crimson

Game 2
Griefer 0-2 Flaunt (FORFEIT)

Game 3
Dox 2-0 Fresco

Game 4
Nadir 0-2 Another

Ace
CHoBo 2-0 Kowi


AsG 3 - 3 Iris
(DRAW)

Quick Comments

	Zealo:	hero dox saves us again! :)
	TAEdgE:	impressive

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by Fate

Results for Crux B (Spoon's Soldiers) vs ToT
game 1 Tot won (1 point) doctor(sub for darknite) 2 - 0 cruxFate
game 2 Tot Won (1 point) Phoenix 2 - 0 cruxSpoon
game 3 postphoned due to missing players and lack of subs adybToT vs cruXTC
game 4 Tot won (1 point) YiDaToT 2-0 cruxTeslaz
Ace match: Crux B won (2 points) oGrNsCo 1-2 cruxShoodyo

So at the moment its ToT 3 - 2 crux B, if Crux B wins the postphoned game 3 ToT and crux B will draw 3-3, if ToT wins game 3 ToT wins 4-0 due to ace match not being counted.

Why would the ace match not be counted?

[Dox]

And it's a tie between Iris and AsG!

[alwaysdryToT]

Originally Posted by Fate

Results for Crux B (Spoon's Soldiers) vs ToT
game 1 Tot won (1 point) doctor(sub for darknite) 2 - 0 cruxFate
game 2 Tot Won (1 point) Phoenix 2 - 0 cruxSpoon
game 3 postphoned due to missing players and lack of subs adybToT vs cruXTC
game 4 Tot won (1 point) YiDaToT 2-0 cruxTeslaz
Ace match: Crux B won (2 points) oGrNsCo 1-2 cruxShoodyo

So at the moment its ToT 3 - 2 crux B, if Crux B wins the postphoned game 3 ToT and crux B will draw 3-3, if ToT wins game 3 ToT wins 4-0 due to ace match not being counted.

The interest thing is I never receive a massage from crux guys about postphoning match, u guys also not even try to contact me, is it right?

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by alwaysdryToT

The interest thing is I never receive a massage from crux guys about postphoning match, u guys also not even try to contact me, is it right?

Firstly, you still haven't answered my question of why the ace match wouldn't be counted and secondly, you have every right to decline to play the "postponed" match if you cannot get people available for it as I have already told you in PM. I am waiting for a response from you on whether you can come to an agreed time with crux or not.

[alwaysdryToT]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

Firstly, you still haven't answered my question of why the ace match wouldn't be counted and secondly, you have every right to decline to play the "postponed" match if you cannot get people available for it as I have already told you in PM. I am waiting for a response from you on whether you can come to an agreed time with crux or not.

lol，firstly, I never said ace match wouldn't be counted, fate did
secondly, in the last PM, u said u would ask crux manager and back to me soon, its me who waiting a response ,not you.
thirdly, I know I have right to decline postponed, but I want to be nice, even Im not contacted by crux guys, I still advise my player to play postponely. but now, I think we deserve a walkover.

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by alwaysdryToT

lol，firstly, I never said ace match wouldn't be counted, fate did
secondly, in the last PM, u said u would ask crux manager and back to me soon, its me who waiting a response ,not you.
thirdly, I know I have right to decline postponed, but I want to be nice, even Im not contacted by crux guys, I still advise my player to play postponely. but now, I think we deserve a walkover.

This should have been done by PM. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. If crux said that the ace match would not be counted then you should have been informed hence me asking you as well. I have told you multiple times now what your options are. You no longer have the choice. It is a walkover to you because I need the results now.

In future, I would appreciate these types of matters be worked out between the team managers. The idea is for the admins to be the rule enforcers, or the *knowledgebase* of the rules. Not for us to micromanage every matchup and baby sit team managers.

To all managers, should anything like this occur in the future do it by PM or skype and not in the thread.

To the crux manager, I'm still curious why the ace match would not be counted. If you could PM me as to why that would be great.

[FaDeBadger]

OP has been updated with all results as has the current standings table. Week 3 thread has been posted here!

[alwaysdryToT]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

I have told you multiple times now what your options are.

But I only received two PM, which the last one was at 12:58AM 27th Jan 2012 and you said you were going to talk to crux manager regarding the postponed match and get back to me. After that however I have received no more response. Thus, I never knew what my options were. Although the known server issures might have contributed to this as PM might not have been correctly sent and recewived. We wanted to be nice and wait for a postponed match but we need timely feedback. As I have told you I have tried to contact the crux manager in their channel but received only ignorance.

IMO,as an admin, you are not just the rule enforcer. Admin has to act as a mediator should any disputes arise amongst various teams. We have now only completed two rounds and I predict many more problems such as today's will come for you admins to resolve.
Team managers will always try to talk to each other if anything does happen and admin's involvement will only be sought if nothing is coming to an agreement. So far our oppoentents have been nice and understanding and we have been the same to them.
Lastly, good luck to all teams and all admins in future rounds of the SEACL.

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by alwaysdryToT

IMO,as an admin, you are not just the rule enforcer. Admin has to act as a mediator should any disputes arise amongst various teams.

Purely a case of semantics. Obviously admins will resolve disputes. The result is already in as a walkover to ToT.

This will be last post in a public thread I will give on this matter and the last time I will say this, these matters should be sorted out BY PM OR SKYPE. This thread is purely for the matchups and results submission.