[nirvAnA]

I just want to point out the replays mentioned by chobo earlier. he plays nestea, colganzi, ogsforgg, lzgamer etc. and these would be worth an analysis. these were his recent NA ladder games

http://drop.sc/replays?utf8=%E2%9C%9...=Apply+filters

also worth mentioning is his uploading of replays. after his masters cup win i told him to upload all his reps and he did so instantly without hesitation. IF he is a hacker, he is certainly very confident of the way he conceals it to upload his games so freely.

as strafe and others come forward with more replays, feel free to compile all the replays in one post to make it easy for people to download and analyze.

Quick Comments

SanG:

he hasn't uploaded all of his replays yet, and if he refused to upload them, that'd just look too blatant. That did make me feel that he's weeding out suspicious replays.. idk, maybe he forgot them?

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I just want to point out the replays mentioned by chobo earlier. he plays nestea, colganzi, ogsforgg, lzgamer etc. and these would be worth an analysis. these were his recent NA ladder games

http://drop.sc/replays?utf8=%E2%9C%9...=Apply+filters

also worth mentioning is his uploading of replays. after his masters cup win i told him to upload all his reps and he did so instantly without hesitation. IF he is a hacker, he is certainly very confident of the way he conceals it to upload his games so freely.

as strafe and others come forward with more replays, feel free to compile all the replays in one post to make it easy for people to download and analyze.

yeah but wouldn't it be awkward if he didn't upload his replays? LOL

and also he only uploaded 2 games vs enderr, didnt he 2-1 enderr? one game is missing

[Eddie]

Serious accusations! Hopefully the truth can be found. Since it was my event he won, i'd definitely love to hear more about these concerns, as well as more input from CHoBo.

It's worth noting that while this is his first big tournament win, he has participated in many! Masters Cups, SEASL, etc. Always plays decent, but not quite placing. Perhaps Sunday it just all went right for him?

Also he has been both GM on SEA + NA for quite some time. Unsure of KR ranking? Unless hacked every game from day 1, clearly is a smart and skilled player.

He has coached quite a few people, and preaches an unorthodox style. Grand Master Manual coach here.

Has been labelled a very cheesy, all-in and unorthodox player by many. This may work well in ladder games, but tournaments are a different situation, which may explain the lack of success to date.

I was only able to watch the Masters Cup finals live - missed the other games in the tournament due to admin duties.

That G1 4 rax push on Shakuras wasn't really suspicious to me. If he was paying attention to the minimap me might have spotted the overlord near his rax's, as it did show up. Further more, as he pushes out, no lings on towers? Then pokes up ramp and already 2 spines + queens minimun, all indicate that he'd been scouted, and Mafia was fairly prepared for it, likely producing/holding back some lings. Like he said, might have won, might have lost, that all seems pretty reasonable to me. Furthermore he made some nice decisions later into the game, building up the vikings, only revealing some, going for bc/ghost, but largely i think it came down to that lucky nuke, which Mafia admitted he missed. No nuke, Mafia might/probably would have won.

G2 was just a well executed proxy, and smart position. G3 i think he just outplayed Mafia, won the main engagement, killed off mutas, was able to keep on pushing the advantage from there, with the benefit of nice tank positioning and drops. Mafia likely quite tired i'd imagine at this time.


- Would love to hear more about other replays. More from CHoBo, and see him attend and perform at live events, which is the best way to prove ones ability to the community.

From what i've seen, and his records to date, i don't think there is sufficient evidence of hacking. We all must be sure, as it's a pretty big thing to accuse someone of. Would be very sad if he does actually hack.

I'm not that great at analysis, so i'll leave it to those better at the task, and have a stronger understanding of the game.

Quick Comments

	MrToast:	Eddie saying what all those who care think.
	TAEdgE:	he got the 2nd best record on NA from anyone on SEA, when he was unknown.. that can be seen as suss
	nirvAnA:
	RicocheT:
	inFeZa:	eddie is a bause
	CHoBo(kice):	tytytyty

[NvRossi]

Admin Note: The original sc2gears log by Rossi was wrong as it was under blizzard time and not aligned properly to the replay.

The correct log posted by UHF is in this post and indicates no actions were made at all in that time frame http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=571

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Concrete Evidence thanks to BIGGUN for noticing it

Today 1:21 PM: Peleus: http://drop.sc/191657 - That's a replay of me vs Chobo 15 mins before Masters Cup. Kinda embarrising because I got shut down so hard with a failed all in and it makes me look pretty bad
(Extra analysis regarding this game)

please proceed to 9:20 to 9:40 on chobos point of view

he has 4 martines selected and does not move his vision at all.
Video evidence
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320413207

now after opening up sc2gears there is some very interesting results.

+ Show +

9:21 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (100fc)
9:21 Peleus Train Zergling
9:21 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 0
9:21 Peleus Train Zergling
9:21 Peleus Train Zergling
9:21 Peleus Select Egg (40428), Deselect all
9:21 AsGCHoBo Train SCV
9:22 Peleus Select Drone x22 (10204,10208,10210,10214,10238,10258,30268,10280,4 028c,102a4,102c0,203c4,d0400,70438,5043c,5044c,504 50,1048c,30504,20510,20518,4052c), Deselect all
9:22 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:22 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 9
9:22 AsGCHoBo Train SCV
9:22 Peleus Select Larva x4 (403d8,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:23 Peleus Select Drone x8 (10208,10258,102a4,70438,5044c,50450,30504,20518), Deselect all
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:24 AsGCHoBo Select Engineering Bay (90384), Deselect all
9:24 AsGCHoBo Upgrade Terran Infantry Armor 1
9:24 Peleus Right click; target: Mineral Field (10000)
9:24 Peleus Return Cargo (Drone)
9:25 AsGCHoBo Upgrade Terran Infantry Armor 1
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:25 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:25 Peleus Select Larva x5 (403d8,80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:25 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:25 Peleus Select Larva x5 (403d8,80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:25 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:25 Peleus Select Larva x5 (403d8,80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:26 AsGCHoBo Select Armory (304d0), Deselect all
9:26 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:26 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:26 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:26 Peleus Train Drone
9:26 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:26 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:26 Peleus Select Larva x5 (403d8,80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:26 Peleus Select Egg (403d8), Deselect 1 unit
9:26 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:26 Peleus Select Larva x4 (80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:26 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:26 Peleus Select Larva x4 (80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:26 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=63.2,y=129.1
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=63.2,y=129.1
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 Peleus Select Egg (80440), Deselect 1 unit
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=63.2,y=129.1
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 Peleus Select Egg (404a8), Deselect 2 units
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=63.2,y=129.1
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 Peleus Select Egg (304e4), Deselect 3 units
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 Peleus Select Egg (304f4), Deselect 4 units
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 Peleus Select Evolution Chamber (303a8), Deselect all
9:27 Peleus Upgrade Zerg Ground Carapace 2
9:27 Peleus Upgrade Zerg Ground Carapace 2
9:28 Peleus Upgrade Zerg Ground Carapace 2
9:28 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 0
9:28 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:28 AsGCHoBo Train SCV
9:28 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 9
9:28 AsGCHoBo Train SCV
9:28 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 8
9:29 Peleus Select Queen (2030c), Deselect all
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:29 Peleus Spawn Larva (Queen); target: Hatchery (20230)
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:29 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 9
9:30 Peleus Select Zergling x15 (3022c,d0234,50310,503b8,60424,40430,60458,5046c,4 0474,30494,40498,404a0,304ec,30508,20538), Deselect all
9:30 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 0
9:30 Peleus Deselect 14 units
9:30 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 9
9:30 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Select Baneling Cocoon (50310), Deselect 1 unit
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 AsGCHoBo Calldown MULE (Orbital Command); target: Mineral Field (100b8)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:31 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:31 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:31 Peleus Select Baneling Cocoon x4 (60424,40430,5046c,40474), Deselect 5 units
9:32 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:32 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:32 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:32 AsGCHoBo Select Marine x15 (30260,a02cc,802e0,5039c,503e0,503f0,50420,40460,3 0478,404ac,304b0,304b4,304c8,304dc,204f0), Medivac x5 (203d4,c03e4,10454,40464,30524), Deselect all
9:32 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=71.2,y=129.8
9:33 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=71.1,y=128.5
9:33 AsGCHoBo Select Marine x6 (30218,130300,303b4,20414,2045c,30470)
9:33 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=67.9,y=126.3
9:33 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Assign 4
9:33 AsGCHoBo Attack; target: x=68.8,y=103.6
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 0
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:35 AsGCHoBo Select SCV (101ec), Deselect all
9:35 AsGCHoBo Build Supply Depot; target: x=26.0,y=142.0
9:35 Peleus Select Larva (1056c), Deselect all
9:35 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=27.5,y=141.1
9:35 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:35 Peleus Select Larva (1056c), Deselect all
9:35 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:35 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (100c0)
9:35 Peleus Select Larva (1056c), Deselect all
9:35 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:35 Peleus Select Larva (1056c), Deselect all
9:36 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (100c0)
9:36 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:36 Peleus Select Larva x2 (50410,1056c), Deselect all
9:36 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (100c0)
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:36 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:36 Peleus Select Larva x2 (50410,1056c), Deselect all
9:36 AsGCHoBo Select SCV (3020c), Deselect all
9:36 Peleus Train Overlord
9:36 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=25.5,y=138.0
9:36 Peleus Train Overlord
9:36 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=25.5,y=138.0
9:36 Peleus Train Overlord
9:37 Peleus Select Egg (50410), Deselect 1 unit
9:37 Peleus Train Overlord
9:37 Peleus Select Egg (1056c), Deselect 2 units
9:37 AsGCHoBo Build Supply Depot; target: x=26.0,y=138.0
9:38 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (1003c)
9:38 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 4
9:38 Peleus Right click; target: x=21.5,y=54.0
9:38 Peleus Deselect 1 unit
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:39 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:39 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 4
9:39 AsGCHoBo Attack; target: x=73.5,y=99.1
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:39 Peleus Right click; target: x=143.9,y=88.5
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:40 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:41 Peleus Hotkey Select 1
9:41 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=65.4,y=130.0
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:41 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=65.4,y=130.0
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 4
9:42 AsGCHoBo Attack; target: x=78.5,y=93.8

sc2gears when configured to blizzard time nullifies this information. However the screenlock is still evident.

Quick Comments

	Champi:	thats the biggest screen lock ive ever seen. Chobo is a hacker
	EveSigns:	rofl loving the passion that is going into this
	iM MaFia:	ROFL
	Chappo:	Seems pretty concrete
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	chobo is chobo but rossi is bossi
	Baldie:	For the love of god put that in a spoiler hahaha!
	Peleus:	Wow....

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

Concrete Evidence

+ [whole load of stuff in here] +

thanks to BIGGUN for noticing it

Today 1:21 PM: Peleus: http://drop.sc/191657 - That's a replay of me vs Chobo 15 mins before Masters Cup. Kinda embarrising because I got shut down so hard with a failed all in and it makes me look pretty bad
(Extra analysis regarding this game)

please proceed to 9:20 to 9:40 on chobos point of view

he has 4 martines selected and does not move his vision at all.
Video evidence
http://www.twitch.tv/ta_rossi/b/320413207

now after opening up sc2gears there is some very interesting results.

9:21 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (100fc)
9:21 Peleus Train Zergling
9:21 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 0
9:21 Peleus Train Zergling
9:21 Peleus Train Zergling
9:21 Peleus Select Egg (40428), Deselect all
9:21 AsGCHoBo Train SCV
9:22 Peleus Select Drone x22 (10204,10208,10210,10214,10238,10258,30268,10280,4 028c,102a4,102c0,203c4,d0400,70438,5043c,5044c,504 50,1048c,30504,20510,20518,4052c), Deselect all
9:22 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:22 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 9
9:22 AsGCHoBo Train SCV
9:22 Peleus Select Larva x4 (403d8,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:23 Peleus Select Drone x8 (10208,10258,102a4,70438,5044c,50450,30504,20518), Deselect all
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:23 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:24 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:24 AsGCHoBo Select Engineering Bay (90384), Deselect all
9:24 AsGCHoBo Upgrade Terran Infantry Armor 1
9:24 Peleus Right click; target: Mineral Field (10000)
9:24 Peleus Return Cargo (Drone)
9:25 AsGCHoBo Upgrade Terran Infantry Armor 1
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:25 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:25 Peleus Select Larva x5 (403d8,80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:25 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:25 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:25 Peleus Select Larva x5 (403d8,80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:25 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:25 Peleus Select Larva x5 (403d8,80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:26 AsGCHoBo Select Armory (304d0), Deselect all
9:26 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:26 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:26 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:26 Peleus Train Drone
9:26 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:26 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:26 Peleus Select Larva x5 (403d8,80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:26 Peleus Select Egg (403d8), Deselect 1 unit
9:26 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:26 Peleus Select Larva x4 (80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:26 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:26 Peleus Select Larva x4 (80440,404a8,304e4,304f4), Deselect all
9:26 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=63.2,y=129.1
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=63.2,y=129.1
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 Peleus Select Egg (80440), Deselect 1 unit
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=63.2,y=129.1
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 Peleus Select Egg (404a8), Deselect 2 units
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=63.2,y=129.1
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 Peleus Select Egg (304e4), Deselect 3 units
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 Peleus Train Zergling
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 Peleus Select Egg (304f4), Deselect 4 units
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:27 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:27 Peleus Select Evolution Chamber (303a8), Deselect all
9:27 Peleus Upgrade Zerg Ground Carapace 2
9:27 Peleus Upgrade Zerg Ground Carapace 2
9:28 Peleus Upgrade Zerg Ground Carapace 2
9:28 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 0
9:28 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:28 AsGCHoBo Train SCV
9:28 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 9
9:28 AsGCHoBo Train SCV
9:28 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 8
9:29 Peleus Select Queen (2030c), Deselect all
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:29 Peleus Spawn Larva (Queen); target: Hatchery (20230)
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:29 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:29 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 9
9:30 Peleus Select Zergling x15 (3022c,d0234,50310,503b8,60424,40430,60458,5046c,4 0474,30494,40498,404a0,304ec,30508,20538), Deselect all
9:30 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 0
9:30 Peleus Deselect 14 units
9:30 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 9
9:30 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Select Baneling Cocoon (50310), Deselect 1 unit
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 AsGCHoBo Calldown MULE (Orbital Command); target: Mineral Field (100b8)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 Peleus Morph to Baneling (Zergling)
9:31 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:31 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:31 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:31 Peleus Select Baneling Cocoon x4 (60424,40430,5046c,40474), Deselect 5 units
9:32 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:32 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:32 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:32 AsGCHoBo Select Marine x15 (30260,a02cc,802e0,5039c,503e0,503f0,50420,40460,3 0478,404ac,304b0,304b4,304c8,304dc,204f0), Medivac x5 (203d4,c03e4,10454,40464,30524), Deselect all
9:32 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=71.2,y=129.8
9:33 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=71.1,y=128.5
9:33 AsGCHoBo Select Marine x6 (30218,130300,303b4,20414,2045c,30470)
9:33 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=67.9,y=126.3
9:33 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Assign 4
9:33 AsGCHoBo Attack; target: x=68.8,y=103.6
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 0
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:34 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:35 AsGCHoBo Select SCV (101ec), Deselect all
9:35 AsGCHoBo Build Supply Depot; target: x=26.0,y=142.0
9:35 Peleus Select Larva (1056c), Deselect all
9:35 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=27.5,y=141.1
9:35 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:35 Peleus Select Larva (1056c), Deselect all
9:35 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:35 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (100c0)
9:35 Peleus Select Larva (1056c), Deselect all
9:35 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:35 Peleus Select Larva (1056c), Deselect all
9:36 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (100c0)
9:36 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:36 Peleus Select Larva x2 (50410,1056c), Deselect all
9:36 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (100c0)
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:36 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:36 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:36 Peleus Select Larva x2 (50410,1056c), Deselect all
9:36 AsGCHoBo Select SCV (3020c), Deselect all
9:36 Peleus Train Overlord
9:36 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=25.5,y=138.0
9:36 Peleus Train Overlord
9:36 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=25.5,y=138.0
9:36 Peleus Train Overlord
9:37 Peleus Select Egg (50410), Deselect 1 unit
9:37 Peleus Train Overlord
9:37 Peleus Select Egg (1056c), Deselect 2 units
9:37 AsGCHoBo Build Supply Depot; target: x=26.0,y=138.0
9:38 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: Mineral Field (1003c)
9:38 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 4
9:38 Peleus Right click; target: x=21.5,y=54.0
9:38 Peleus Deselect 1 unit
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:39 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:39 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 4
9:39 AsGCHoBo Attack; target: x=73.5,y=99.1
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:39 Peleus Right click; target: x=143.9,y=88.5
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:40 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:40 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:41 Peleus Hotkey Select 1
9:41 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=65.4,y=130.0
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2
9:41 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=65.4,y=130.0
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 3
9:41 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 4
9:42 AsGCHoBo Attack; target: x=78.5,y=93.8

SC2Gears could be used like this to really get in deep for the actions that the player/program makes to really pick the replay apart piece by piece.
TAHardyBoyRossi & Biggun Right here.

[CHoBo(kice)]

Lol look I don't wanna dog pile but I will. Looks like I'm gonna have a long night replying to 5 pages worth

[TABiggun]

As you can see from Rossi's post above, I noticed that if you watch the replay of Chobo vs Peleus from Chobo's perspective, from 9:20 to 9:40 he has 4 marines selected and his view is still for this whole time. But in sc2 gears there are many actions being performed.

One of them is "Select Engineering Bay". How is this possible when Chobo doesn't have an engineering bay?

Edit: What I believe this is, is a screen lock. His screen on the replay is frozen on him selecting 4 marines and looking over his production. He is going around and clicking Peleus' buildings and these come up as his own actions.

Edit 2: I don't think I explained this very well but this is what i believe is happening.

Chobo uses from kind of hack to freeze his screen, so in the replay it shows him looking over his production with 4 marines selected. But his real view is looking at the buildings in Chobo's base. I think Chobo clicked on Peleus' buildings, and when he does this, it comes up as an action for him.

Let me give an example. I believe that chobo clicked on Peleus' evo chambers. On sc2gears there is a command:
9:24 AsGCHoBo Select Engineering Bay (90384), Deselect all
9:24 AsGCHoBo Upgrade Terran Infantry Armor 1

Chobo doesn't even have an engineering bay building at all. So when he clicks on Peleus' evo chambers, it shows the command that he selected "engineering bays".

I'm not sure if this helps to explains things at all but this is my theory.

Quick Comments

x5.Revenant:

Good point

[Champi]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

9:24 AsGCHoBo Select Engineering Bay (90384), Deselect all

Sorry Chobo, you are busted. you do not even have an engineering bay in this game, sc2gears has proven to us that you are using a program to conceal your 20 second screenlock hack

This is 100% concrete evidence. you cannot explain this, you are a proven hacker

[Rage]

Well, replays really are nothing more than a long list of commands exactly like the snippet that was posted, which the game client interprets on the fly - that's why replays can lag on 8x speed on a weak PC because its having to interpret and display the actions so fast, and also why replay files are only a few KB instead of several GB as they would be were they video.

Its plenty conceivable that a program could cause the game client to write confusing actions.

[Rage]

I would like to see this process applied to the other replays, personally.

Quick Comments

FaDeBadger:

Agreed, although only worked in this case because of screen lock

[ROOT`iaguz]

I have extremely limited experience with SC2gears. Is it reliable at noting actions like this? Perhaps this is just the program bugging out or something. But I do agree that is incredibly suspicious and I'm leaning more towards him hacking.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

I have extremely limited experience with SC2gears. Is it reliable at noting actions like this? Perhaps this is just the program bugging out or something. But I do agree that is incredibly suspicious and I'm leaning more towards him hacking.

So far, all we can see from this record of actions is that SC2gears appears to be reporting actions that don't happen when you actually watch the replay. The cause of that can't really be determined for sure unless we have a sample size greater than 1 replay.

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

I have extremely limited experience with SC2gears. Is it reliable at noting actions like this? Perhaps this is just the program bugging out or something. But I do agree that is incredibly suspicious and I'm leaning more towards him hacking.

Well, both my sc2gears and Rossi's have the same things, and im sure anyone else who runs an analysis through sc2 gears.

I am now inspecting other replays of games played in LANs of professional players to compare what actions are being performed and if there are any similar things occuring.

[TABiggun]

I would also like to add that these actions that are 'missing' from Chobo's point of view can be found in other games.

On Mafia vs Chobo on shakuras, at 5:30 Chobo randomly looks into the main. In the replay it shows him having scvs selected and not making any commands.

But in sc2 gears there are two commands which read "Build Refinery", when he doesnt do that at all.

5:29 AsGCHoBo Select Supply Depot (20368), Deselect all
5:29 AsGCHoBo Lower Supply Depot (Supply Depot)
5:30 iMMafia Select Hatchery (10290), Deselect all
5:30 AsGCHoBo Select Supply Depot (103cc), Deselect all
5:30 iMMafia Select Drone x14 (10294,10298,1029c,102a0,102a4,102a8,102dc,202e0,1 02e4,102e8,10308,10314,10340,1034c), Deselect all
5:30 iMMafia Select Hatchery (10290), Deselect all
5:30 AsGCHoBo Lower Supply Depot (Supply Depot)
5:31 AsGCHoBo Select SCV (303fc), Deselect all
5:31 iMMafia Right click; target: x=137.4,y=129.5
5:31 AsGCHoBo Build Refinery; target: Vespene Geyser (10210)
5:31 AsGCHoBo Select SCV (102c8), Deselect all
5:31 AsGCHoBo Build Refinery; target: Vespene Geyser (10238)
5:32 iMMafia Right click; target: Mineral Field (10028)
5:32 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 4
5:32 iMMafia Hotkey Select 4
5:32 AsGCHoBo Attack; target: x=31.8,y=55.0
5:32 iMMafia Select Larva x4 (303e4,10484,1048c,10494), Deselect all
5:32 iMMafia Train Drone
5:32 iMMafia Train Drone
5:32 AsGCHoBo Deselect all
5:33 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=25.9,y=56.9
5:33 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=25.2,y=56.7

Edit: The data was wrong due to sc2gears time conversion, but there is still a very suspicious blatent look at the main and natural for no reason.

[Rage]

As xpaperclip has just pointed out, SC2gears lists those actions in real time, whereas the replay runs on Blizzard time. 9:31 on the replay is not necessarily at the same point as the sc2gears list, unless sc2gears is running on blizzard time.

[Trinion]

Originally Posted by Rage

As xpaperclip has just pointed out, SC2gears lists those actions in real time, whereas the replay runs on Blizzard time. 9:31 on the replay is not necessarily at the same point as the sc2gears list, unless sc2gears is running on blizzard time.

According to Sc2gears
"Sc2gears by default converts APM and time values to real time. You can disable this on the Replay parser tab of the Miscellaneous settings dialog. "

Is this what you are referring to?

[NvPinder]

Hopefully it's proven beyond any doubt whatsoever.

Dear chobo

You Tube

You Tube

If you ever manage to do anything remotely decent at LAN then maybe you will have a decent argument, but untill you stop losing to mid masters SEA players on lan but rape top-tier players online, you're always going to be a joke just like you were well before this thread even opened.

[UHF]

I get this when I parse

9:20 Peleus Deselect 3 units
9:21 AsGCHoBo Select Marine x4 (10290,102a0,40310,70384), Deselect all
9:21 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=51.3,y=127.0
9:21 Peleus Right click; target: Extractor (103f8)
9:21 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=51.5,y=126.2
9:21 AsGCHoBo Right click; target: x=51.7,y=126.0
9:21 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:21 Peleus Select Larva x4 (203e0,103e8,103f0,10400), Deselect all
9:21 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:21 Peleus Select Larva x4 (203e0,103e8,103f0,10400), Deselect all
9:22 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:22 Peleus Select Larva x4 (203e0,103e8,103f0,10400), Deselect all
9:22 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:22 Peleus Select Larva x4 (203e0,103e8,103f0,10400), Deselect all
9:22 Peleus Train Zergling
9:22 Peleus Train Zergling
9:23 Peleus Train Zergling
9:23 Peleus Select Egg (203e0), Deselect 1 unit
9:23 Peleus Train Zergling
9:23 Peleus Select Egg (103e8), Deselect 2 units
9:23 Peleus Train Zergling
9:23 Peleus Select Egg (103f0), Deselect 3 units
9:23 Peleus Train Zergling
9:23 Peleus Select Egg (10400), Deselect 4 units
9:24 Peleus Select Drone x5 (40274,902f0,30328,2038c,203c8), Deselect all
9:25 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:26 Peleus Select Drone x14 (402f8,40308,b032c,50338,70358,10364,9036c,3037c,2 0394,20398,203a4,103bc,203c0,203d0), Deselect all
9:27 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:31 Peleus Hotkey Select 1
9:31 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:32 Peleus Select Queen (20298), Deselect all
9:33 Peleus Spawn Larva (Queen); target: Hatchery (101fc)
9:33 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:34 Peleus Select Larva x4 (100300,1041c,10424,1042c), Deselect all
9:34 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:34 Peleus Select Larva x4 (100300,1041c,10424,1042c), Deselect all
9:34 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:34 Peleus Select Larva x5 (100300,1041c,20420,10424,1042c), Deselect all
9:34 Peleus Hotkey Select 4
9:34 Peleus Select Larva x5 (100300,1041c,20420,10424,1042c), Deselect all
9:35 Peleus Train Zergling
9:35 Peleus Train Zergling
9:35 Peleus Train Zergling
9:35 Peleus Select Egg (100300), Deselect 1 unit
9:35 Peleus Train Zergling
9:35 Peleus Select Egg (1041c), Deselect 2 units
9:35 Peleus Train Zergling
9:35 Peleus Select Egg (20420), Deselect 3 units
9:35 Peleus Train Zergling
9:35 Peleus Select Egg (10424), Deselect 4 units
9:36 Peleus Train Zergling
9:36 Peleus Select Egg (1042c), Deselect 5 units
9:36 Peleus Select Queen (2030c), Deselect all
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 1
9:39 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:39 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:39 AsGCHoBo Train Marine
9:39 AsGCHoBo Hotkey Select 2

Ie. he doesn't make any actions

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	This is the log everyone should have seen
	Uglymutt:	Thanks

[ROOT`iaguz]

I'm not referring to just that particular game, I mean like could you pick a random 20 seconds from any game and reliably get a list of actions that is accurate to what happens when you watch the replay.

Because if so then yea sure 100% hacker ban the ******. If not then that's not a very good way to confirm/disconfirm hackers.

Again though yea that is suspect as ****.

[Another]

i think its also important to look into the hacks interaction with sc2gears, i have no idea how it works so may be nothing, but it might have a special interaction