[|Erasmus|]

Hi guys, week 1 of the PDCL playoffs are kicking off this week.


This week we have the following matches being played:

Thursday 8th December: 8PM AEDT

+ [Playoff Matchups] +

Match 1 : Rank 1 vs. Rank 2
FaDe vs. Team VB

Match 2: Rank 3 vs. Rank 4.
Ascension Gaming vs. Crux - ToR

For Clarity, the following schedule is:

Thursday 15th December: 8PM AEDT

+ [Playoff Matchups] +

Match 3 : Loser Match 1 vs. Winner Match 2
TBD vs. TBD

Thursday 15th December: 8PM AEDT

+ [Grand Final] +

Match 4 : Winner Match 1 vs. Winner Match 3
TBD vs. TBD

Map Pool for the finals is:

+ [Map Pool] +

1. MLG Xel'Naga Caverns by HemLock
2. MLG Metalopolis by HemLock
3. MLG The Shattered Temple by HemLock
4. MLG Shakuras Plateau by HemLock
5. GSL Daybreak by HemLock
6. Tal'Darim Altar LE
7. IPL4 Antiga Shipyards by TPW
8. Abyssal Caverns
9. MLG ICCUP Testbug by HemLock

First map for this weeks games will be MLG The Shattered Temple (randomly generated).

Please join channel PDCL at the appropriate time to arrange your games.

Please Note: All playoff games will be Best of 9. So it will be the first team to 5 wins, not 4.

[cruxBsK]

cant wait *goes off to get bells and whistles suit*

[Ruscour]

Thanks for changing the Tal'darim version

[VB_WhiplashJC]

You haven't even posted the final standings?

I assume since I got no reply to my previous post that we're free to play whoever we like. Going to struggle to get 5 players anyway. :/

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

You haven't even posted the final standings?

I assume since I got no reply to my previous post that we're free to play whoever we like. Going to struggle to get 5 players anyway. :/

Looking at the way the OP is set out it would appear FaDe came 1st, VB 2nd, AsG 3rd and then Crux-ToR 4th

[deL]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

Looking at the way the OP is set out it would appear FaDe came 1st, VB 2nd, AsG 3rd and then Crux-ToR 4th

I assume it's like the brackets

http://challonge.com/sc2sea_pdcl

[deL]

Erasmus has informed me he couldn't get off work early on the night of this event and I may be taking over administration of this round of the PDCL so any questions or queries run them by me if you can't get in touch with Erasmus!

[FaDeBadger]

2 out of 4 ain't bad

[Zealo]

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2941

the standings before last week AsG is has an equal amount of match wins to VB, but 4 more set wins which puts us ahead of them.

we proceeded to win 4-0 over TA in the final round, while VB lost 2-4

how did they finish ahead of us? :S

[JiNxXx]

amazing tournament is amazing...

gives 1 day notice for bo9 finals where you are required to front 5 members.

wait-a-******* go mate. also zealo is right, the whole challonge standings are completely fucked up beyond belief, missing & having wrong results all over the place.

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Jinx

amazing tournament is amazing...

gives 1 day notice for bo9 finals where you are required to front 5 members.

wait-a-******* go mate. also zealo is right, the whole challonge standings are completely fucked up beyond belief, missing & having wrong results all over the place.

If you don't want to play TA can take your place :]

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by Jinx

wait-a-******* go mate.

If you are going to be abusive at least do it correctly. It's "way to ******* go". Not "wait a ******* go". That doesn't even make sense.

[ToRSpartaz]

Hey!!! The finals are on my birthday Yaaaaay crux - ToR best be in it make me proud

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Del can you go back in time and admin this from the start? There is no way we should be #1, the whole tournament is a shambles.

[deL]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

Del can you go back in time and admin this from the start? There is no way we should be #1, the whole tournament is a shambles.

Can't go back in time, but I'll give the results a once over and try to confirm or correct any errors with the captains of the teams. If you haven't already posted your clan's detailed results for each round in either the PDCL main thread or the appropriate round's thread please do so. Also, add me on Bnet or PM me here if you have something that you think needs changing.

In addition, to teams competing in this playoff (for now we will assume it is right until shown otherwise) please let me know if you won't be able to meet the minimum player requirement on the day, and what day/s you will be likely to play the finals so we have enough time to arrange a different play date.

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Highly unlikely we will be able to make tomorrow night, working on getting a team together. Holidays/other games are a bitch.

[oo0zula0oo]

Wow this is unbelievable.. Here we have 1 guy taking time from his busy schedule( I know he has been working real hard) to try to organize this for everyone to enjoy. And what do people do to thank him? Some mistakes he makes and people jump to bring him down..
Have you all considered how hard it was for him to run this whole event? With 3 teams also pulling out creating a mess for all the match ups and brackets? What I dont get is why are people so concerned about the placements of the play offs who cares who came first or fourth we are still in the play offs I think my team crux-tor have an advantage coz I get more practice with more games played before the finals If we make it that far.. But people are all into their standings and rankings when this was meant to be a friendly way for the clans to connect and have a competitive feel to practicing with one another..
Rly it's a shame how people don't see what goes on in the back ground but are so quick to point fingers...
Mayb nxt time you organize it and see how it feels when everyone points fingers at you for lil mistakes because this just ruins the it...
Erasmus is a good guy and you all should thank him instead of harassing him..

Quick Comments

	ToRDjvillian:	+1
	Zealo:
	ToRSmotPokingFish:
	Synizta:

[BlackWidow]

Although I agree zula, perhaps instead of giving the clans a day to organize a 5 man team, he gives them a week?

I'm sure he is busy, but so is everyone else. You know most people have real life things to do too. And usually they schedule these things days in advance.

Announcing the teams are scheduled to play the next day is a bit of a low blow... Especially for the smaller clans...

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by oo0zula0oo

Wow this is unbelievable.. Here we have 1 guy taking time from his busy schedule( I know he has been working real hard) to try to organize this for everyone to enjoy. And what do people do to thank him? Some mistakes he makes and people jump to bring him down..
Have you all considered how hard it was for him to run this whole event? With 3 teams also pulling out creating a mess for all the match ups and brackets? What I dont get is why are people so concerned about the placements of the play offs who cares who came first or fourth we are still in the play offs I think my team crux-tor have an advantage coz I get more practice with more games played before the finals If we make it that far.. But people are all into their standings and rankings when this was meant to be a friendly way for the clans to connect and have a competitive feel to practicing with one another..
Rly it's a shame how people don't see what goes on in the back ground but are so quick to point fingers...
Mayb nxt time you organize it and see how it feels when everyone points fingers at you for lil mistakes because this just ruins the it...
Erasmus is a good guy and you all should thank him instead of harassing him..

agreed, i'm sorry erasmus/other admins if i came across as upset/abusive/...harass...y?

i was just confused

[VB_WhiplashJC]

If I was just saying he's done a shit job then what you say would be valid. How unresponsive he's been (not just to VB) doesn't help.

He's made a mess of the match ups himself, not the teams pulling out.

I won't put my hand up to run it because I'm one of the leaders of a participating clan, which was one of my criticisms.

[oo0zula0oo]

Well to me our clan knows that every Thursday there will be a clan league on so I dont see why you have to try find people every week? it has already been told that its a weekly thing so as clan leaders they should know that they need to prepare a team for each week.. i thought that would be common sense...
if everyone waits for things to be handed to them on a plate then nothing will get done people can take the initiative just like TCP who set up their teams so that every week they are ready for when the match ups are sent.
I know its bad that it is sent a day before but Crux-Tor also didnt know it was happening but we have an understanding that our players will be there to support on Thursday. for the teams in the play offs they should know that they will be playing the playoffs so they should have a team ready for when it happens..
to me i feel that its common knowledge that there will be games on thursday and even if my team leader doesnt tell me i plan around that time.
i thought that is what everyone does?

Quick Comments

	FaDeBadger:	Common sense too much for some people
	deL:

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by oo0zula0oo

Well to me our clan knows that every Thursday there will be a clan league on so I dont see why you have to try find people every week? it has already been told that its a weekly thing so as clan leaders they should know that they need to prepare a team for each week.. i thought that would be common sense...
if everyone waits for things to be handed to them on a plate then nothing will get done people can take the initiative just like TCP who set up their teams so that every week they are ready for when the match ups are sent.
I know its bad that it is sent a day before but Crux-Tor also didnt know it was happening but we have an understanding that our players will be there to support on Thursday. for the teams in the play offs they should know that they will be playing the playoffs so they should have a team ready for when it happens..
to me i feel that its common knowledge that there will be games on thursday and even if my team leader doesnt tell me i plan around that time.
i thought that is what everyone does?

that's how AsG does it too.

we're ready to start but there's no one from crux-tor in PDCL channel at start time? :S

[BlackWidow]

Its not handing it to people on a plate. Its letting people know that 'Yes it is on Thursday.'

Until something is set in stone that it is on Thursday, no one is 100% sure its going ahead on Thursday, thus the make other plans...

GSL wouldn't announce GSL Novemember on October the 31st and expect people to show up just because 'its common sense that there is a monthly GSL.' Thats just highly unprofessional and again, a low blow...

Ok bad analogy, but you know what I mean.

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Jesus christ, can you put a paragraph in your posts please?

VB hasn't missed a single week, FYI.

The issue here is that before this thread we had no idea if we were going to make the playoffs because of the way the ladder was done.

[VB_Ice]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

The issue here is that before this thread we had no idea if we were going to make the playoffs because of the way the ladder was done.

And also we had no idea who we were going to be playing so instead of having a week to reschedule (since we cannot field a team for tonight) we have around a day to reschedule our game.

[VB_Rhuubarb]

How did we come first? We haven't won a non-walkover round in over a month...

EDIT: Just looked at recent results, and they aren't correct...

[BlackWidow]

To top it off I overlooked the fact that until yesterday our clan weren't even sure if they were even in the Playoffs.

"Oh and btw, your in the playoffs. You have a day to organize a 5 person team (who have real lives too)."

[deL]

I'll be in channel PDCL around 8pm AEDT and we will see who is there and whether we can reschedule anything

As far as I'm concerned I see nothing wrong with just doing all of the matches next weekend (thursday round 1, friday or saturday round 2, saturday or sunday grand final - will discuss it with you guys to see which would be best).

[VB_Rhuubarb]

imo, I think this should be pushed back a week, to fix the brackets (the posted results are wrong atm) and to give some teams a chance to get ready :P

[deL]

Considering the possibility of incorrect brackets I decided that we will definitely be pushing the playoffs back by 1 week. There were several options on how to take it from here so I'll talk to Erasmus about it but the concensus in the channel with the 16 odd players who turned up that these were suitable solutions:

1) After fixing the brackets, play out round 1 of the finals next Thursday 15th at 8pm AEDT with the existing format as posted in the OP. Round 2 will also be played on Thursday 15th between the loser of the top2 teams and the winner of the 3/4th teams. (The risk here is that one game could go 4-0 giving the players a rest or cooling down, while the other may go 5-4 and be epic making the players exhausted and making the second match start very late). Round 3/grand finals would be played the following thursday (22nd); or

2) After fixing the brackets, alter the format to be a more standard #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3 single elimination. This way there are only 2 rounds (semi finals and grand finals) so it fits the truncated schedule of 2 weeks.

Sorry on behalf of Erasmus and any other PDCL admins for the bracket errors, postponements and any inconvenience it has caused any of the players. Let's look forward to a smooth finals series next week

PS - if you have suggestions or comments about the incorrect portions of the brackets please post them here to make it easier to sort out!

Quick Comments

Zealo:

thanks for stepping up

[Zealo]

are brackets sorted yet (or is there a list of disputed matches at least)?

will starting map on thursday still be shattered temple?

[deL]

I've tried to get in contact with Erasmus but it seems he is still busy or bogged down with work or something

[Zealo]

can you make the call then?

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Well personally I think we're at the stage of it not mattering any more, I'm happy to play FaDe again to get it over with. We'll have a team of at least 4 on tomorrow night.

[deL]

Yah Erasmus still MIA No one has posted what results they thought were wrong, I have no idea on that so if you guys are just happy to go ahead with the matchups that were announced last week we might as well just get it started.

[VB_WhiplashJC]

I think the main one was that the result for the 2nd VB-FaDe was the wrong way around.

[deL]

Ah, that doesn't actually change anything though xD

[x5_Potter]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

Ah, that doesn't actually change anything though xD

I think he means the ladder was completely wrong to what it should have been.

[Ghnaschnakoff]

AsG hasn't heard anything from Crux-ToR. Can someone get them to contact us or atleast get into the PDCL ingame channel?

[deL]

Originally Posted by Ghnaschnakoff

AsG hasn't heard anything from Crux-ToR. Can someone get them to contact us or atleast get into the PDCL ingame channel?

Zealo PM'd me and said you guys were good for Saturday afternoon/night instead. This was passed on to Maynarde who is trying to get in touch with the crux-ToR guys.

[Maynarde]

Crux-ToR people (if you're still around) FRONT AND CENTER. Please respond in this thread of PM me on this site.

I've emailed all the ones I know, hopefully you get back to me soon. Like deL says, we got a game to play on Sat!

[ToRSpartaz]

Whats happened with Eras? o.O

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Whats happened with Eras? o.O

Not sure, but if you could help me round up some Plats and Diamonds from ToR I'd be much obliged

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Not sure, but if you could help me round up some Plats and Diamonds from ToR I'd be much obliged

Ez pz will do tomorrow bro ^^

[deL]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Ez pz will do tomorrow bro ^^

AsG didn't specify a time so just to avoid confusion I think keep it to 8pm unless you organise another time with them

Thanks for keeping track of the results whiplash, cya at barcraft!

Congratulations to FaDe for advancing to the grand finals, we will find out saturday who plays VB in the semi final (will be a new thread for it)!

[VB_WhiplashJC]

FadeAbStRaCt > JiNxXx
FadeAbStRaCt < Boony
HoneyBadger > Boony
HoneyBadger > Malik
HoneyBadger > VBWhiplashJC
HoneyBadger > VBRhuubarb

Quick Comments

deL:

so handsome

[Zealo]

thanks for that del

[Zealo]

we are available pretty much any time saturday afternoon/night, just let us know what time suits you tomorrow or early saturday if possible please.

5pm perth time (8pm sydney time) is fine if you want to go with that

[Zealo]

no crux or tor people online... again

[ToRSpartaz]

SAme i couldnt find ANYONE>!>!>!>!?!?!?!!?

[Zealo]

AsG > crux tor

walkover

(4-2 if you want to go by the scores in the friendly last week)

[deL]

Will update with a new thread tonight some time for the semis and grand finals on next thursday

EDIT: Will have to knock off early tonight, will try get the thread done tomorrow

[Zealo]

confirmed finals start 5PM perth (8pm sydney) time on thursday?

[deL]

Here you go sirs, PDCL Playoffs Day 2: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=53421

[Zealo]

thanks del!