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ProAnnn · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:05 PM

In case you haven noticed, Coca forfeited his Code S spot due to some match fixing ssues.

Source from : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=285580
What happened
In ESV Korean Weekly, one of the rounds(Ro32) was Byun(GhostKingPrime) vs SlayersCoca. Coca was 1 game up 1-0 and was winning the 2nd game. 150 supply to 50 ( 6 base to 1). Byun asked Coca to leave the game so that it will get to a game 3 and coca gladly obliged. In the end Byun won 2-1. The conversation was in game and can be found in the TL Thread.

+ [Screenshot of the games] +

Translation of their convo
Byun: **** ****
Coca: Trap card!
Byun: I got dominated ****
Coca: You have to put down a planetary. I have 3 expansions.
Byun: No it's not that. Mutas
Byun: Leave **** **** ****
Coca: I surrender
Byun: Let's go to a third game
Coca: ok. gg
*Coca leaves game*

Punishment for Coca
Following the Coca vs Byun controversy at the latest ESV Korean Weekly, SlayersCoca decided to forfeit his spot in GSL code S. Furthermore, he no longer is part of Slayers A team and will practice out of the Slayers house.

Gayeon AKA Jessica and Boxer apologised profusely about the incident.

Coca won't participate in any tournament, offline or online, until Slayers team decides his "mentality" as a pro is ready for it.

Punishment for Byun
The other player involved in this case, GhostKingPrime AKA Byun, also won't be allowed to participate in future tournaments until the team deems ready. He will still practice at the team house though.

I started this thread to know what are your opinions about this issue?
Some questions

Is this considered Matchfixing?
Do you think the punishment is too harsh or too lenient? Why?
If you think it is too harsh or too lenient, suggest a punishment.

+ [My Own Personal Opinion] +

Note: In this particular tournament, a Code A spot was NOT awarded. The prizes were $100, $50, $25, $25 for 1st,2nd, 3rd-4th respectively. (I believe it is in USD).

Pictures are all taken from Team Liquid.

nard · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:12 PM

I do believe the correct term would be match-fixing.

Any form of match fixing is bad and I think the teams reacted in such a way to distance themselves from such activities. A lenient approach would only reflect that the teams condone such behaviour. This would also affect sponsorship and other stuff like that.

Regardless whether the outcome is inconsequential, the fact is that the result switched from a probable CoCa win to a Byun win.

ProAnnn · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:17 PM

LOL. DIDNT NOTICE I TYPED WRONG. Thanks for correcting the match-fixing part. Time to ninja edit so that noone notice

**iMSystem** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:19 PM

I haven't read into the whole thing to much, or even given too much attention to it, but from what I read, the consequences are actually brutal.

Forcing a drop out of Code S, losing your team and then no longer being able to participate back into GSL tournaments / re-invited back to the team until you prove yourself again.

Shits harsh man

aLtShortizz · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:25 PM

Imagine how people who bet on Coca to win would feel about this.

This is gonna take a big hit on Esports betting.

**iMSystem** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:29 PM

Poor Byung: 죄송합니다.. 정말 죄송합니다..
(Sorry, I'm really sorry)

Just posted on his twitter.

I really feel for this guy, I know match-fixing is bad and fucks everything up, but he has to be absolutely gutted right now.

Cyanide · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:32 PM

the bigger problem is the legitimacy of future tournaments. things like trust and credibility must be built over time. having something like this happen, regardless of whether there was any money involve, would definitely rock the boat, and that is definitely not good at all.

aLtShortizz · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by System

Poor Byung: 죄송합니다.. 정말 죄송합니다..
(Sorry, I'm really sorry)

Just posted on his twitter.

I really feel for this guy, I know match-fixing is bad and fucks everything up, but he has to be absolutely gutted right now.

Are you serious? Hes a retard.

What did he lose from this? I mean Coca lost a Code S spot which is like the holy grail and got kicked\suspended from the best team. Byun on the other hand, got a suspension from his Coach.

And what kind of person ask his opponent to leave when hes losing in a competitive match?

RicocheT · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:41 PM

I can understand the harsh stance on Byun/Coca, especially with sAvior still fresh in E-sports minds. They have to have a strong stance to say 'there will not be any sort of match-fixing.' Still, it's a huge hit for both of those players, especially for Coca giving up his Code S spot, and both players being out of tournaments for a while. I feel sorry for Coca, so much potential, and he's now in Boxer's doghouse. Not a good position to be in, not at all.

Quick Comments

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Snx.FigJig · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:52 PM

I think they may be using them as an example for future match fixing that may happen in the future to show how harsh they are on it, no matter how small it is. Just unfortunate that they've become the example. If the savior match fixing didn't happen I don't think the punishment would have nearly been as big, they're afraid of it happening again in SC2 I think and hitting down hard on things like this to deter people from trying it at all.

Daboo · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:55 PM

I dont really know if this can be called match fixing, But the effects of it are similar.

From what we know, this was coca throwing away a game trying to help a friend, and he did not benefit from it. Match fixing is mostly about a player throwing away games, or performing below standards for some financial benefit, from bookies etc.

But in either case the spirit of the sport is being destroyed. The point of watching a sport is to watch two competitors give it their all and show off their skills to secure a victory. Any sort of prior agreement about who wins where, removes the core of a sport and turns it into an scripted event, much like a movie. and whats more is this will lead to questions about every other game that seems "strange". Some of the best moments in sport(or e-sport) are the bizzare situations that could occur within the game, like a giant of the game being slayed by a newcomer, with ease, or idra's gg against mma after mma killed his own cc, w We still talk about them with fondness. But if the game has a tarnished reputation, people will question the validity of the game.

So while these two might not have had evil intentions, their foolish actions were quite damaging. Their punishments seem okay, hopefully they realize their mistake.

**iMSystem** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

Are you serious? Hes a retard.

What did he lose from this? I mean Coca lost a Code S spot which is like the holy grail and got kicked\suspended from the best team. Byun on the other hand, got a suspension from his Coach.

And what kind of person ask his opponent to leave when hes losing in a competitive match?

Mainly guilt about pretty much killing your friend's SC2 career

nard · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daboo

I dont really know if this can be called match fixing, But the effects of it are similar.

From what we know, this was coca throwing away a game trying to help a friend, and he did not benefit from it. Match fixing is mostly about a player throwing away games, or performing below standards for some financial benefit, from bookies etc.

Case in point.

Abbas Saad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbas_Saad

all this guy did was to agree to help a teammate to go all out to win a game. something he was already inclined to do. he was charged with match fixing as his teammate received bribes to win the game.

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:08 PM

Must admit I haven't read all of the replies - but in response to the OP
The reason this was considered match fixing and quite a bad issue was that CoCa who gg'd and left the game was about 100 food up.. at 140 something vs 47 or so from Byun.. And Byun wins?...
And people bet on professional starcraft 2 matches in Korea - so if you had $100 on CoCa and he did that - you'd be mad bro. Its like the players knew that Byun forgot something and wanted a third game to decided the match properly.

While the punishment was pretty serious - match fixing could put the game back in terms of legitimisation and sponsorship support...So I think its totally fair.

Uglymutt · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:19 PM

Coca removed himself from the code S spot I believe, this was probably the right thing for him to do in this situation.

I believe this to be match fixing, a player 'threw' the game so his friend could win, although not pre-mediated it is still match-fixing.

Coca shouldn't have done what he did (and Byun shouldn't have asked Coca to leave) but Coca is only 17.
They both screwed up, and deserve some punishment, this is probably a bit harsh, but a harsh stance must be taken on match-fixing, unless they want another Savior controversy.

I feel bad for both these players, but we have to understand that this is a competitive game and has to be taken seriously.

HowAreYa · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:20 PM

Pretty stupid of both of them. Pretty harsh punishment. But probably a good idea to make an example of them. Don't think it will happen again any time soon.

I'm more annoyed about another top Zerg getting knocked out of code S. And 2 guaranteed Terran in RO8.

aLtMrFool · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:20 PM

Read about it in team liquid, felt that its quite a harsh punishment but even if coca got the code A spot by winning, wouldn't it be automatically forfeited to byun because coca can't hold both code S and code A at the same time? I know they're friends, but being professional during their career comes before friendship. Though, I still think the punishment is still so harsh just for the (immaturity? Can it be considered this way?) Of the players.

nard · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordadon

Read about it in team liquid, felt that its quite a harsh punishment but even if coca got the code A spot by winning, wouldn't it be automatically forfeited to byun because coca can't hold both code S and code A at the same time? I know they're friends, but being professional during their career comes before friendship. Though, I still think the punishment is still so harsh just for the (immaturity? Can it be considered this way?) Of the players.

nope. they were only in RO32

**Nemo** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:29 PM

You're not allowed to do those sort of things in a official tournament, even if it's just to help a friend. But it seems to me the punishment is maybe too hard.

Zealo · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:34 PM

i wouldn't call it match fixing, but it was pretty disrespectful to the tournament.

if ESV wants to suspend them from future tournaments i would agree with them. team's can't really allow that sort of thing from their players either. i think kicking him out of the team house for it is a bit harsh, but i don't know of any less harsh penalties a team can give to players.

forfeiting his Ro16 code S games will only make things worse IMO