[Demisesodlu]

Please help I'be been bronze since in SEA since release, I can beat gold and silver players with ease, as I am Silver in NA. IS there a Problem at why I cant get in better leagues. I just lost my last match but before that was on a 14 game winning streak. I have 80%winrate.

8/10 of times my oppenetn if favoured over me even tho im rank 1 bronze and they are also bronze and the other 2/10 times they are even. Why can't I get a rank.

I know I have flaws in my play but surely I play well enough to at least get into Silver.

Here is replay of my last game the loss. http://www.mediafire.com/?mpu4jkawsav66zc

[nirvAnA]

the short answer is its a mechanics issue

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[Demisesodlu]

what do you mean by mechanics tho?

[noobinater]

I had shit like this for ages. After I finally got put into silver I was only there for a week before they put me in gold.

The ladder is dumb for some people

[Demisesodlu]

its stupid im now at a 82% winrate and im back on winstreak bronze players are too easy

[Daboo]

Well..one thing worth checking is the quality of the players your playing against. If you play well against bronze players, but dont win against silver players, the system will not see a point in putting you there, because your going to lose to silver players anyway.

Remember to be promoted you need to prove to the system that you can hang with the silver players, and that is by beating players who are above bronze, and not beat people who are around your level.

Dont worry about any of that, just focus on improving your play, and the promotions will come automatically. dont focus on what you won, focus on the losses, and see why you lost, once you correct those, you should be promoted in no time.

And at times the system might be a little worried about promoting you even when you have a good win streak..and thats because of past losses, and waiting for your mmr to catch up to promote you. But you dont really have to worry about all of this, just focus on your game and have fun.

Edit: The one thing that I saw from this replay, notice how at the engagement at 11 minutes, you cleaned up his army he had nothing in his base apart from probes and buildings. But Your re-macroed army was stuck in your base, and by the time you could get those guys to his base he could get an army against with his warp gates, and warp in close to your base with his proxy pylon, and constant re-inforcement from the proxy pylon ultimate killed you off. Terrans dont have proxy pylons, but what you can do is set waypoints to your rax, and send then to say the xel naga tower, so when you cleaned up the army, you could've marched in with your new army and killed him off.

so lesson from that game would be use waypoints for re-inforcements while fighting....and you can always runaway, if it doesnt go your way.

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Bugalugs McScruffin:

All good advice in this post :)

[SkyBreaker]

It may be difficult, but try not to bother yourself with what league or rank you are; play each game hoping to improve X, Y or Z in your gameplay (which you can work out by watching through your replays and pinpointing certain aspects of your play which need work).

The promotions and all that other good jazz will come in time, but in the mean-time focus on improving your gameplay and the rest will fall into place

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[Demisesodlu]

but im at the top of my ladder right now by a good amount of points and the thing is im still getting matched with bronze even tho my end score is so high and from watching replays my macro seems to be better in most games

[theang123]

ladder just reset giv it some time

[Demisesodlu]

if i win 100 games in bronze i should be silver by then right?

[VB_Boony]

Originally Posted by Demisesodlu

if i win 100 games in bronze i should be silver by then right?

That is not how promotion works. You need to beat people that have a high MMR than you.
That means beating silver players. Once you are maintaining about a 50% or higher win ratio against silver player you will be promoted.

So if you beat 100 bronze players you will not get promoted. However if a fair few of them are silver you should get promoted no problem.

[Next_rim]

Not exactly. Allow me to repost the description of how ladder works from some other thread some couple months ago:

They way blizz explains this is pretty much as follows:

There is match-making rating (MMR), which is calculated a lot like chess handicap. It not only depends on your win/loss ration, but on what's your opponent MMR.

There is also confidence rating. This is basically +/- from your MMR in a certain range. The more you play, the lower the range, and the greater chances that you will face equal MMR. If you consistently win higher MMR players, your MMR is leveled fairly slowly, but uncertainty rating jumps up and down a lot.

Now, here comes the tricky part. When you click "quick match", the system first browses your league for available players. Chances are high that there will be 0 - many people won't be online, or will be in a game already. Then the system extends search to other bronze leagues AND widens your confidence rating, so you can be potentially matched with a bigger pool of players.

Now, not all bronze leagues are equal. There are three to five types of bronze leagues. Top bronze has about same MMR as medium silver or low gold (for example). This is done to widen the pool of potential opponents so that looking for a game doesn't take long, and promotion doesn't take forever.

If there are no players available yet, the system further increases your confidence rating, tapping in players from high gold and low plat. You get a plat opponent, lose, your mmr goes down A LITTLE, and process starts over again.

The biggest gain of MMR happen when you beat opponents of your own MMR level.

Your MMR won't adjust too fast if you win a lot of games. The more you win streak is, the higher the uncertainty range for you. If you are in bronze, win 15 games in a row, get matched with a master, win again, then master won't lose too much because of your uncertainty range. The system supposed you were a master, matched you with another master, and you won. Means your opp was playing supposedly equal, but for you, MMR went up as for an non-equal match (which isn't much).

Cheesers are really fun to watch ladder-wise. They can cheese up 20 games in a row, face a well-aware master, lose, then face a well-aware diamond, lose. They get their confidence interwal shrinked to plat, then they face 5 plat in a row, cheese again, then get to play top diamond again, lose 10 in a row, and end up in mid-plat.

In contrast, a normal player progression would like this: 2 wins, match a higher mmr, 2 losses, match same mmr, 2 wins, match higher mmr, 1 win 1 losss, match even higher mmr, 1 win 1 loss. Increase MMR, rince and repeat.

To add, the points system doesn't affect your placement at all. It is 100% psychological. For example, you make it to #1 diamond with 1000 points. Your mmr is around mid-diamond atm. You progress and get your MMR up to top diamond. You are still #1 diamond, but with 1500 points. Now you start getting matched with low masters. You lose to all masters, but keep winning all diamonds. Your points go up since you don't lose as much points to masters, but your MMR (read - skill) is not progressing.

What you actually see is #1 in ladder and points growing, which makes your e-peen bigger and encourages you to play more. Same reason Blizz hid losses, since if you see your win/loss ration, points stop to matter to you.

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[Demisesodlu]

yeah but the problem is im not getting matched against any silver players to beat them so I can be promoted. So your saying every time i beat a more favored or same favored bronze i get closer to facing silver?

[Aean(:]

Originally Posted by Demisesodlu

yeah but the problem is im not getting matched against any silver players to beat them so I can be promoted. So your saying every time i beat a more favored or same favored bronze i get closer to facing silver?

If your beating people who are favored, it means your beating players with higher MMR. Keep that up and you'll start vsing people with silver MMR = promotion soon. Just keep playing.

[ToRDeathsFang]

I was Bronze from October last year 'till April this year....dayum that's have a year. Then it took me 2 weeks to get to gold

EDIT:Aean got vr icon good 4 u

[Demisesodlu]

I just palyed 3 games I was favored for all of that so that means my mmr wont go up right?

[ToRDeathsFang]

Basically
When your favoured, you gain very little MMR
When your slightly favoured, you gain little MMR
When it's teams even, you gain a decent amount of MMR
When your opponent is slightly favoured, you gain a lot of MMR
When your opponent is favoured, you gain A LOT of MMR
is how i think it goes

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[SkyBreaker]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

Basically
When your favoured, you gain very little MMR
When your slightly favoured, you gain little MMR
When it's teams even, you gain a decent amount of MMR
When your opponent is slightly favoured, you gain a lot of MMR
When your opponent is favoured, you gain A LOT of MMR
is how i think it goes

That's how I've always thought of it, it makes sense logically too! Although I never put excessive amounts of thought into it either; I always just try to focus on playing better with each game :]

[Hybrid]

Hey there!

I was in bronze for god damn ages, All i focused on was to be in Diamond which was the top league in the begining. But really when you think about it, the game is pretty much the same , yeah maybe a higher level of play at GM level but overall there are no different units etc, they just USE the units better/are better at multi tasking and have a more refined build orders/timings etc.

But anyway what i am trying to say is this instead of focusing on "i want to be in silver" and why am i not playing them, focus on aspects in your game you need to improve, like scouting your opponent and reacting on what army you need, really focus on the basics, and when you start to get them you will start to move up the ladder rankings. Thats when i started to move up, when i started to focus on improving 1 thing in my game, then added another thing. There are still a ton of things to improve in my game, but i am in platinum now, and that seemed to help me. Don't get to caught up about it, just try to play the best you can every game. It will simply click one game and you will start to move up.

I havent watched your replay as i am currently at work, but it looks like someone has pointed out some things to you already. Also Watch higher level replays and watch your own too, see what differences they make to you with timings, units, everything in general. Have fun playing to, your making it out to be a grind by playing in bronze.

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PiG:

[Nemo]

I've checked your last 10 games. 10 bronze and each time 10 to 14 points in victory and defeats, so the game judges that they were at your level. As you win more than you loose, your MMR is increasing but as you're are still loosing games (even if ratio of defeat is low, it doesn't try to "accelerate" your progression by giving you players with largely better MMR (Silver or Gold).

The Bronze league is the deeper one, so as long as you don't encounter Silver player at least half the time, you cannot know where exactly you are in the Bronze division. Points don't mean much in that division (and until Master in fact), just the number of games you play.

To give you an example, I was promoted to Silver when half my games were against Silver and the other half against Gold.

Just continue to play and improve, it will come soon enough.

Replay Analysis

1. 1rst supply 1 SCV too late. Suply blocked
2. 3 rax+ gaz before the Orbital Command, that's not a valid build order (and you forget to make a marine) go look there (http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=28591#post28591) and in TGM
3. 1 SCV on gaz only for long time
4. You cut SCV at 11 with 2 not working
5. You forget to make units with all your structures at all time
6. No upgardes as soon as you have your tech lab
7. Forgetting mules
8. No expand at 11"
9. 2 gas 3 guys on it instead of 6
10. Marauders are murdered by zealots and above all Immortals, always have a good marine mix in your force.
11. Bind a group of workers to a shortcut so each time you construct a building with this group shift click minerals after so they never go idle after construction

In conclusion, for me you don't have clear silver level, at your level of play you only have to improve your basic mechanics and have a decent build order (2 rax all your opponents for now). Look at the streams of Terran players of SEA SC2 too.

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PiG:

good points :)