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**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 9:54 AM

City Hunter's Starcraft II Anniversary Festival

City Hunter's Starcraft II Anniversary Festival runs from the 24th to the 31st of July and features some amazing prizes including a WHOLE PC SET The tournament will run over 2 weeks, The qualifiers being held on the 24th of July and the Finals on the 24th of July All teams will go home with a Prize! This Competition is unique in that it will feature two FINALS, one for 1st Placed Group Division Winners and another for the places second in their Group. a HUGE thanks to MSI who are our EXCLUSIVE sponsors for this event.

There will be 4 qualifiers on 24th of July across 4 of City Hunter's locations (Chinatown,, Burwood, Haymarket and Chatswood)
The Grand Final will be on the 31st of July at Chinatown

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Prizes

Prizes:

1st Division FINAL1st. Whole PC set (A fractal Design case, with an MSI 560 Graphic Card, MSI P67AC45 Mother Board, Intel i7, 4G RAM and DRW Drive also include a Razer Abyssus and Razer Arctosa and a BenQ 24inch led monitor) + $200 City Hunter Shop Credit
2nd. MSI U160 Black net book + $100 City Hunter Shop Credit
3rd. MSI 560 Graphic card + $50 City Hunter Shop Credit
4th-8th MSI Helicopter EACH

2nd Division FINAL1st. MSI U135(DX) Black net book + $200 City Hunter Shop Credit
2nd. MSI 560 Graphic card + $100 City Hunter Shop Credit
3rd. MSI helicopter + $50 City Hunter Shop Credit

Registration: REGO IS NOW FULL

Admission Prices:
$10 per person

Questions? feedback? etc leave comment below ill try and reply asap ^_^

deL · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 10:02 AM

Will probably sign up for Haymarket but if I am in a position to top the group I think I'd prefer to throw matches to get in division 2...

**nirvAnA** · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 10:02 AM

HOLY CHECK A WHOLE PC? NOTEBOOKS?

why are AU tournaments always so awesome!!!!!!!

yea the 1st prize of the 2nd division is wayyyyyyyyyyy better than the third prize of the 1st division.
i agree that pple are gonna end up throwing matches

**nGenLight** · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 10:18 AM

Fix the prize system, the prizes for Silver league is way too good. This will encourage throwing matches and give bad players the impression that they can get big prizes whilst putting minimal effort compared to the guys that are in the Gold league.

Gold league should have the best 3 prizes whilst Silver league should have the 4th-6th best prizes, that would make a lot more sense.

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nirvAnA:

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by nirvAnA

HOLY CHECK A WHOLE PC? NOTEBOOKS?

why are AU tournaments always so awesome!!!!!!!

yea the 1st prize of the 2nd division is wayyyyyyyyyyy better than the third prize of the 1st division.
i agree that people are gonna end up throwing matches

I guess its a risk you take if more than 1 person throws a match then you're pretty much in the same position atleast if you make to top 8 in 1st Division you go home with a helicopter

**nGenLight** · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 10:33 AM

Its the same reason we don't hand out huge prizes for the GPD or BSG. Big prizes should be allocated for the players at the top. The silver league is a good marketing idea, but the prizes for them is kinda silly.

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nGenLight

Its the same reason we don't hand out huge prizes for the GPD or BSG. Big prizes should be allocated for the players at the top. The silver league is a good marketing idea, but the prizes for them is kinda silly.

we'll keep that it mind for next time, prizes are finailised now, if people want to throw matches I think its pretty dopey because if you dont feel you can top 2 1st division you're not going to to come 1st in 3rd division, also keep in mind the 2 netbooks arent the same the 1st division one is alot better

**nGenLight** · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

we'll keep that it mind for next time, prizes are finailised now, if people want to throw matches I think its pretty dopey because if you dont feel you can top 2 1st division you're not going to to come 1st in 3rd division, also keep in mind the 2 netbooks arent the same the 1st division one is alot better

This is good to hear. I understand that it is finalised now, thanks for heeding our feedbacks anyway.

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	cRSenSei:
	TAriiChard:

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nGenLight

This is good to hear. I understand that it is finalised now, thanks for heeding our feedbacks anyway.

one thing is certain we will have another SC II event

aztecx · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 5:53 PM

What's the requirements to play in the second division?

aztecx · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 6:15 PM

I also want one of those helicopters.

ROOT`iaguz · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 10:50 PM

Is the map pool finalized?

Cuz scrap station and delta quadrant are really bad maps. They aren't played anymore in tournaments, too skewed or just too weird.

Also, are you running ladder versions of the other maps or MLG or GSL versions? No-one likes close positions.

Other then that, ya, I"m down.

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PiG:

wow I didn't have to be the one to say it for once!

NvRossi · Fri, 17th-Jun-2011, 11:01 PM

agree with iaguz, sounds good otherwise!

dippa · Sat, 18th-Jun-2011, 3:05 AM

how much do you guys think a netbook is worth, out of curiosity?

Frogurt · Sat, 18th-Jun-2011, 1:02 PM

**** all that other shit. That helicopter looks sweet.

fishling · Sat, 18th-Jun-2011, 2:25 PM

Looks good. Chinatown one better not be too full lol.

**ToR.Arnor** · Sat, 18th-Jun-2011, 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aztecx

What's the requirements to play in the second division?

Its in the OP, but here it is if you cant find it

'This Competition is unique in that it will feature two FINALS, one for 1st Placed Group Winners and another for the places second in their Group.',

if you read the format section for qualifiers youll see each group will consist of 4 people so if you come 1st in your group you go to 1st division finals 2nd you go to 2nd division finals, 3rd and 4th dont go to the finals

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Originally Posted by iaguz

Is the map pool finalized?

Cuz scrap station and delta quadrant are really bad maps. They aren't played anymore in tournaments, too skewed or just too weird.

Also, are you running ladder versions of the other maps or MLG or GSL versions? No-one likes close positions.

Other then that, ya, I"m down.

yeah map pool is outdated I believe its from when we held our original comp the maps Im looking at now are as follows

- MLG Metalopolis
- Xel’Naga Caverns
- ESL The Shattered Temple
- Tal’Darim Altar LE
- Shakuras Plateau

- GSL Crevasse
- GSL Terminus SE

the GSL maps im not sure about as some people may not be familiar with it

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Originally Posted by dippa

how much do you guys think a netbook is worth, out of curiosity?

the netbooks are worth different amounts hopefully I can post the model numbers when I talk to Dave on Monday

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PiG:

w00t much better maps

dippa · Sat, 18th-Jun-2011, 9:32 PM

i know the netbooks are worth different amounts, that's kind of my point. people are freaking out OHWOWWWWITSANETBOOK for first place div2, but the reality is that netbooks are cheap as **** these days. in dollar terms, its probably only worth double that of the store credit.

allocating prizes that LOOK good (but really aren't worth that much monetarily) is a smart and sensible option if you want to really inspire competition at all levels. if cityhunter follows the suggestions to beef up div1 prizes, you're going to end up with a situation where only the top 8 players really want to go along to lan because the value just isn't there for everyone else.

i know top players want more money, but its in cityhunter's best interest to distribute prizes this way so they get the maximum turnout. better turnout = event is more economically viable. better business case = better LAN scene.

last thing we need is LAN starcraft dying in aus ... again.

edit: some of the cheapest model MSI netbooks can be bought online for less than $250, so keep that in mind when you lose your shit over how 'good' the prizes for div2 are. they're good, but they're certainly not devaluing from div1 at all.

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nGenLight:

I don't appreciate you trying to suggest I am "losing my shit" when I presented very reasonable arguements.

**nGenLight** · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 7:34 AM

Your concern for LAN starcraft in Australia is genuine. But I have to disagree with your statement regarding top players wanting more money. I suggested what I suggested purely because I can forsee the incoming abuse and motivating mediocre players that you don't need to work hard to get big prizes.

Coming 1st in your school Athletics carnival should not equal to getting a Silver medal in the Olympics - The marketing scheme to get lesser-skilled players to be awarded is fine, to award them ALMOST the same as the top players makes me want to compete in the Silver division.

TAavanar · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dippa

i know the netbooks are worth different amounts, that's kind of my point. people are freaking out OHWOWWWWITSANETBOOK for first place div2, but the reality is that netbooks are cheap as **** these days. in dollar terms, its probably only worth double that of the store credit.

allocating prizes that LOOK good (but really aren't worth that much monetarily) is a smart and sensible option if you want to really inspire competition at all levels. if cityhunter follows the suggestions to beef up div1 prizes, you're going to end up with a situation where only the top 8 players really want to go along to lan because the value just isn't there for everyone else.

i know top players want more money, but its in cityhunter's best interest to distribute prizes this way so they get the maximum turnout. better turnout = event is more economically viable. better business case = better LAN scene.

last thing we need is LAN starcraft dying in aus ... again.

edit: some of the cheapest model MSI netbooks can be bought online for less than $250, so keep that in mind when you lose your shit over how 'good' the prizes for div2 are. they're good, but they're certainly not devaluing from div1 at all.

you said that if you start making the prizes for div1 too good only the top 8 players will go, thats not true because i know for one im not a top 8 player and if i could i would go just for the fun of it and the fact that it is a lan and lans are so unbelievably fun, im just curious have u ever been to a lan?

deL · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nGenLight

Your concern for LAN starcraft in Australia is genuine. But I have to disagree with your statement regarding top players wanting more money. I suggested what I suggested purely because I can forsee the incoming abuse and motivating mediocre players that you don't need to work hard to get big prizes.

Coming 1st in your school Athletics carnival should not equal to getting a Silver medal in the Olympics - The marketing scheme to get lesser-skilled players to be awarded is fine, to award them ALMOST the same as the top players makes me want to compete in the Silver division.

Exactly, the kind of players who would qualify for silver (assuming groups are accurately seeded) would be guys who don't really win any prized online tournaments so they are going to be happy with whatever they get, even if it's a $50 mouse or headset. It seems weird that the "best of the worst" is rewarded more than a "mediocre good player".

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Originally Posted by avanar

you said that if you start making the prizes for div1 too good only the top 8 players will go, thats not true because i know for one im not a top 8 player and if i could i would go just for the fun of it and the fact that it is a lan and lans are so unbelievably fun, im just curious have u ever been to a lan?

I think you have to consider that not everyone has a large, tight-knit social clan like TA that you have, and that could influence how likely you are to attend LAN events.

dippa · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by avanar

you said that if you start making the prizes for div1 too good only the top 8 players will go, thats not true because i know for one im not a top 8 player and if i could i would go just for the fun of it and the fact that it is a lan and lans are so unbelievably fun, im just curious have u ever been to a lan?

LANs always entail some degree of masochism - people who aren't top 8 but will continually strive to break through regardless - but eventually, if the value isn't there, yes, people will stop going.

have i ever been to a lan? yes.

dippa · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nGenLight

Your concern for LAN starcraft in Australia is genuine. But I have to disagree with your statement regarding top players wanting more money. I suggested what I suggested purely because I can forsee the incoming abuse and motivating mediocre players that you don't need to work hard to get big prizes.

Coming 1st in your school Athletics carnival should not equal to getting a Silver medal in the Olympics - The marketing scheme to get lesser-skilled players to be awarded is fine, to award them ALMOST the same as the top players makes me want to compete in the Silver division.

cityhunter isn't running the olympics; they're running an event, which needs to be paid for. in turn, that requires an equal level of support from the community in order to make it financially sound.

if it's not viable, they won't continue to run the event. to that end, they need a good turnout - and that involves giving prizes to the second division.

the notebooks are not the same model. this we already know. five seconds research also reveals that the cost of the netbooks will most likely be less than $500 for both divisions, with the second division prize likely to be under $250.

The graphics cards are about $260-270, if they're awarding the same models given out in their poster. How much is the "whole PC" worth? Could be anywhere between $750-1250. We don't know yet, although it's safe to assume that it's the most valuable prize on offer.

With that in mind, the prize breakdown is:

Division One
($750-1250) + $200 store credit = $950-1450 value
($400-450) + $100 store credit = $500-550 value
($260-270) + $50 store credit = ~$350 value

Division Two
(~$250) + $200 store credit = ~$450 value
($260-270) + $100 store credit = $360-370 value
Promotion Helicopter(?) + $50 store credit = probably ~$150 value

How far does the store credit go? Not that far; it's not enough to buy a monitor, although you could buy yourself another SC2 account if you wanted.

Incidentally, sorry Light, you didn't deserve my earlier comments. (hence the removal via edit)

But I've seen this sort of thing before where people complain about the distribution of prizes and think, hang on a second, that's giving too much reward to players who don't deserve it.

You know what the problem is?

You're thinking about the event in the wrong way.

This isn't about what players deserve for their reward. If that was the case, we'd still be running BW tournaments for LAN. The point of this is to turn over a profit for Cityhunter. As gamers, we're going to get a good time out of that. I'm certain of it - I've been to enough Cityhunter tournaments in my time to know that.

But as, like I've seen in the past, gamers eventually skew things towards the top end, the bottom end stops coming. There's no value in paying $20-30-40 for an event when you only get to play a few games. You may as well stay at home and ladder on Battle.net, or try your hand at the many SEA and NA online tournaments we now have access to. This was the case in Counter-Strike - when competing in major online events in NA was an impossibility - and I cannot see how this won't crop up in SC2, especially when we can compete in all the major NA and SEA tourneys (besides that Nvidia pro-am. No Australia allowed? wtf -.-).

LAN isn't kept alive because of players like glade, iaguz, yoonyj, edge, tgun, all the TA members and so on. Half of the players whose attendance is required to keep the event afloat are knocked out within the first four rounds.

Without those players, you don't have a tournament - so Cityhunter, rightly, has thought of a measure to try and placate those who know they don't have a chance.

You might not agree with it, but that's how it is. If you still want to compete in the "Silver" division based off that, keep in mind you're going to be sorely disappointed with your reward. And you'll have the knowledge that you chose to cop out to the lower division when you could have aimed for more.

For those who genuinely weren't in the hunt for first, this won't be a problem, but I think you guys know where I'm coming from. It's a bit difficult to put this all forward - I'm new here and all - but I've been around LANs for a very long time and the last thing I want to see is the SC2 community make the same mistakes BW and CS did.

(And Light, I'm truly sorry. Forums are a bad place for me :| Forgive?)

deL · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 5:18 PM

dippa sure half the players are casuals who come and they keep the LAN events afloat, but I'd argue that the competitive or hardcore players are more important. They are the ones who come to EVERY LAN event where most of the others they cater to with these prizes will turn up once or twice and never again. Also the hardcore players are going to tell their friends and get more people to come to the LAN and help advertise it to other like-minded players. If you neglect the needs of this core group in any way you are damaging the longevity of such events - it doesn't mean throwing huge prizes at them, just a modest prize distributed in a well thought-out manner in a tournament that has a fair, seeded format is enough to keep these core players interested.

I'd say this brings in more support than the casuals even if they seem to make up 50%+ of the attendance, because without the hardcore players (or competitive level scene to watch on stream, etc.) these casual players would probably never hear or care about local events. Nothing makes you feel like playing more than seeing you local hero or favourite GSL player cut sick with some crazy strategies!

aztecx · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by deL

dippa sure half the players are casuals who come and they keep the LAN events afloat, but I'd argue that the competitive or hardcore players are more important. They are the ones who come to EVERY LAN event where most of the others they cater to with these prizes will turn up once or twice and never again. Also the hardcore players are going to tell their friends and get more people to come to the LAN and help advertise it to other like-minded players. If you neglect the needs of this core group in any way you are damaging the longevity of such events - it doesn't mean throwing huge prizes at them, just a modest prize distributed in a well thought-out manner in a tournament that has a fair, seeded format is enough to keep these core players interested.

I'd say this brings in more support than the casuals even if they seem to make up 50%+ of the attendance, because without the hardcore players (or competitive level scene to watch on stream, etc.) these casual players would probably never hear or care about local events. Nothing makes you feel like playing more than seeing you local hero or favourite GSL player cut sick with some crazy strategies!

That's actually not true. It is because of the hardcore players and the overly serious environment that casual players choose not to turn up to these events. I remember playing in a war3 tournament years ago at the old iStar internet cafe. Whilst some players turned up with the intention to win, most turned up just to have fun. I remember people having a couple of beers during their games. Afterwards, once the event was down to the last bunch of players, everyone would sit around the plasma screen watching the games whilst a player observed with a mouse and keyboard. This was great because everyone could sit around, mingle and watch these entertaining games as a group - a sense of community. Standing behind a player game after game, bunched up against 5 other people just to get a glimpse of their screen gets boring quickly.

Another thing is, I feel that the top players you are talking about don't in fact have the personality needed to pull a crowd along to these events. They bring no drama or excitement to the game. I want to see friction between the top players, and not just a stupid 'GG' after every game. I remember PhilMiraldo getting the shits with PowerOrc on the war3 ladder after a loss. Most would consider this BM, but I would consider this personality and would make me want to watch their games so much more. For the casual gamer, it is hard to interpret the strategy used between two high-level players so the intricate details of a game don't really matter. Most casual players would rather watch Idra vs Cruncher than MC vs Nestea any day.

I think they are doing a good thing with this second league, whether or not people agree with it. There is obviously an issue with player attendance at these tournaments and they are taking steps to try and rectify the problem. The 'local heroes' methodology is obviously not cutting it.

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deL:

I can talk out my ass too but I choose not to. Consider the same.

dippa · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by deL

dippa sure half the players are casuals who come and they keep the LAN events afloat, but I'd argue that the competitive or hardcore players are more important. They are the ones who come to EVERY LAN event where most of the others they cater to with these prizes will turn up once or twice and never again. Also the hardcore players are going to tell their friends and get more people to come to the LAN and help advertise it to other like-minded players. If you neglect the needs of this core group in any way you are damaging the longevity of such events - it doesn't mean throwing huge prizes at them, just a modest prize distributed in a well thought-out manner in a tournament that has a fair, seeded format is enough to keep these core players interested.

Thing is, they're not neglecting the 'core community' by throwing PCs and a (good) netbook at them.

I've also found 'word of mouth' is a misnomer. If you promote the event properly, you don't need to rely on 'word of mouth' because you're in contact with everyone that wants to attend in the first place. Good promotion is part of advertising in places that aren't natural starcraft hubs, because there's a lot of forums that have starcraft fans unwilling to post or visit the normal sites (either because they feel alienated from the community, it's not their normal hangout or it's a multi-focus site like Whirlpool or something).

It's these people that are best served by the second division, and it's also these people that are best served by the competitions. Everyone here needs to understand: for the prizes to be really substantial, you need a healthy, strong turnout. I'm not talking 16, 32 people - I'm talking to the level where you're actually turning people away on the day. Once you get to that stage, then you can really start putting up prizes that make mouths drool.

As my little breakdown pointed out, the prize for the second division is modest. It's completely in line with prizes handed out for other second divisions at Cityhunter; it's certainly by no means the largest, which I would know since I've had the experience of running several competitions and a LAN league at their venue in Sussex St.

This is where the insularity of the community starts to breakdown. If you compare the prizes for this compared to what's been handed out for CH's DotA or previous CS tournaments, this is perfectly fine. There's nothing extravagant about it whatsoever. It's exactly what you're asking for; but you guys are just lacking the experience from other scenes to realise that.

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Originally Posted by deL

dippa sure half the players are casuals who come and they keep the LAN events afloat, but I'd argue that the competitive or hardcore players are more important. They are the ones who come to EVERY LAN event where most of the others they cater to with these prizes will turn up once or twice and never again.

I've come across this problem a lot. The answer is pretty simple: value.

If you give people value for money and the admins do a decent job - make sure rules are handed out fairly, don't let players have the run of the venue and make sure that the event runs on time - then people will have a good enough experience that they will want to come back.

There are pricing issues. When I was running LAN leagues at

and Cityhunter, I found that CS'ers were willing to accept a $10 weekly rego fee to play two matches. (This is a different format; I'll come back to the topic in a second, but bear with me here.) When we ran a second one at

, I found that offering players three games a week for $15 - the same value, $5 a game - was actually worse.

Our specific problem there (my mate and I, genesis, wonderful bloke) was that two games gave people enough time to play their games without preventing them from doing things in the city. All-day competitions do that. Most of the time you'll be busy playing, eating or waiting to play your games. You certainly won't be able to go shopping or see a movie - there's just no room in the schedule for that. Players also felt drained after the first two games, particularly if they'd lost both of them. Losing one game doesn't really bother anyone - you know you have another game in reserve - but for some reason, that third was too much.

For the one-day competitions - which ran on a similar format to this - we found that the tipping point was to keep with the group format. That's exactly what Cityhunter's doing. I'm not surprised; it's the smartest option available. The value is about the same (I'm presuming there's no BO3 for groups, as it's not listed), with a minimum of three games costing players $10, or $3.33/game.

I think the 4 player groups might be a little small. BO1 + LAN + dirty cheese is not the best combo in the world. But Cityhunter have always been fantastic at melding competitions to the community's will, something you've already seen a little in this thread. If you allow around 45 minutes maximum for each game (which is a real upper limit) you could probably squeeze the groups to 5 or 6 and resolve things a lot sooner. It depends on how many PCs CH intends on using.

Also, a crucial question is: will CH have their own SC2 accounts available for use? I've been to events where hackers have forced the tournaments to be cancelled - and I'd hate to lose my SC2 account to a dodgy PC.

CZE · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 7:55 PM

I can't agree more with dippa's argument. Giving incentive for the competitive yet not top top level players is paramount to feeding the community and growing it into something greater. Having experienced many many LAN competitions alex has run since 2004 (in CS 1.6 primarily) I know exactly where he's coming from.

I think you need to stop going over the top and saying it's ONLY going to be casuals playing in division two. That being said this competition looks awesome in both format and prizes. GL to all participating

TAriiChard · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 8:10 PM

Just to start some controversy. If I get into an easy group where I know I'm going to come first ... I'm going to throw games away and come second so that I don't have to compete against the best (who are in the Gold Division). This way I can compete against casual players which increases my chance to win a prize from the Silver Division.

Discuss.

dippa · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 8:25 PM

that only works if you're the only one who does it.

and if the second division is as easy as you're expecting it to be.

deL · Sun, 19th-Jun-2011, 10:38 PM

Interesting about the percieved 'value' dippa. I think having regulars helps that too though - interaction with admins is pretty limited so having people that are fun to be around has more influence on having a good time.

Regarding the first part. The problem is not with the prizepool - I'd be happy with a total $250 prizepool - but with having a fair distribution and format. Nothing turns the hardcore players off more than being 'screwed' by the system. Sure everyone likes an upset or underdog but it's not exciting if the upset is caused by a faulty prize distribution (throwing matches), bad seeding or bad format. A $250 prizepool would be fine but not if it were $150 in gold and $100 in silver.

I know there are restrictions on the type of prizes you can get from sponsors but generally speaking spreading the prizes is good. Having a $50 headset or mouse for the top8 + the computer grand prize and laptop 2nd prize in gold is fine. Then with more $50 prizes for most of the silver event. That way no one is going to throw matches so the tournament doesn't lose any legitimacy and people who are casual are going to be really happy with a $50 headset anyway. It doesn't have to be a $250 prize for a casual player to be happy with winning something.

**nGenLight** · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 5:36 AM

@ Dippa: Fair points and I do agree with the theory and incentive you are coming from. However, I do prefer Del's suggestion of having the prizes trickle down, with the bulk of it at the top end - The silver division still gets prizes worthy of competing for, but not enough for 2nd tier players to consider throwing games nor 1st tier players to feel sick watching the guy who came second to them pick up a laptop whilst they get 50$ in store credit or something.

However that said, hearing the different prices for the notebooks and your summary of prizes in your prior post does make it sound much better than vague prize distribution in the tournament announcement - But I guess this type of vagueness is required to attract the casual players.

Although I'm okay with how this event is done, I would still prefer reserving the top end prizes for the top end prizes. You don't need prizes as big as Cars(reserve it for the adults) to attract the children into an event, gaming consoles will suffice.

dippa · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 8:01 AM

I'm not sure the vagueness is deliberate or necessary. It's still a netbook after all - those things can be pretty damn useful. Hell, you could do some hacking on one if you're geeky enough.

As for throwing games, if people are determined to throw games to help their friends, it's going to happen regardless. I've seen it happen at the largest tournaments (WCG national qualifiers) and smallest ones. There's nothing you can do to counter it.

Now, there's a small flaw in what deL and Light have just mentioned, so I have a question for you both.

If the value of the division two prizes is less than $500 for the winner - over two days of competition featuring 128 players - and a notebook worth less than $250 is deemed too valuable - then what qualifies as a worthwhile prize for the second division?

I believe we're all in agreement that a) a second division is a sensible, and necessary step for the growth of a healthy LAN scene and b) rewarding those players is a logical, economically sound move by Cityhunter to ensure they continue to attend LAN.

Just as a side note, I ran a LAN league once with three divisions (at Cityhunter's Chinatown store). Apart from the players enjoying the competition substantially, it also proved as an interesting recruitment drive for the higher divisions. It was scheduled so the third division would take place after the first two (giving the newer players time to observe and maybe incorporate last-minute strategies into their game for the day) and occasionally, the better players would hang around and watch the newer ones play.

Something like this might crop up if the LAN SC2 scene flourishes in Sydney; but that's getting a bit ahead for now.

Anyway, back to the question.

deL, Light: you both have to keep in mind that Cityhunter's hands are essentially tied in terms of what they can offer as prizes. If they don't offer the netbook and the graphics card (which is almost certainly a less powerful one than the one being stumped up for the top division) - what are they supposed to offer?

Remember that these prizes are given to them by MSI, and as a result are essentially free. (Even if Cityhunter are actually paying for the hardware out of their own pocket, the point still remains that they would have budgeted for the allocation of prizes for this particular event and it would be difficult, or at the very least annoying for the person responsible, to change beyond removing the prizes altogether.)

I think you can both understand what I'm getting at now: this is the best available distribution that Cityhunter can possibly do with the resources allocated.

Brendan - I'm totally in agreement with what you're saying. It's exactly the way I framed prizes when I ran competitions myself. The three divisions-league I mentioned worked off something like $5000, $2000, $750. (Can't remember the last two exactly, only that some teams dropped out of the first division. I ended up coming second in the first division, and I took home about $250 which I used to pay for a new set of ATH-AD700 Audio Technica's, which cost around $220 at the time.)

I think the rule might be 60%, 20% and 10% for the allocation to prizes after expenses are removed (a. If it all went back into the tourney, it's 70-20-10. (Turns out it's actually Google's business model, and not related to tournaments, but whatever.) The 10% left over goes towards admin fees - things always run smoother when you have two or three people running an event, and the leftover money basically only covers your entry + cost of travel and maybe a KFC meal.

(Example: venue hire costs $400 [this is a ballpark figure]. 12 teams show up to pay 30pp, or 150 a team. $800 goes to first place, $400 to second and $150 to third - their cost of rego. The admins recoup the remaining $50 - two admins, let's say - and any overtime fees come out of the prize pool as a whole.)

However, the guiding principle is that if you offer someone a reward for winning they should always walk away from the event in the positive. I don't accept that people who have won their division should only receive $50. That won't even cover their cost to attend both days, when you factor in food, drinks and the rego fee.

If this was cash-only, this would be a completely different argument. But like I said, we're dealing with a fixed set of prizes here; that's how sponsorship works.

NB. Why am I being so stringent on this thread? Experience in how Cityhunter gauges the reaction from the community, I suppose. They're very pliable when it comes to supporting the community - I just want to make sure they don't get the wrong message.

(apologies to everyone for ruining the thread with walls of text, although i guess we're a little more acquainted with each other now

name's alex)

myth_au · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 8:49 AM

wow. i just spend 5 minutes reading everyones post (dippa, del and light).

Gosh. what an interesting dispute.

I don't understand what is wrong with the prizing at the moment. Is Light really going to throw a game to get to a silver division.

My honest view is if you have any credibility and respect for the community, you play the best. Whether you get into gold or silver division comes second. The issue with prizes, i would think if you are lucky to win a prize you should be fortunate and be happy with it (as many people didn't). I really hate the value arguement.

I don't think any respectable high level top players (pro-gamers) or what ever you want to call them will be throwing games. If they did man i would not respect them one bit. Shows they don't give 100% to the games they play and i would hope no sponsor encourages that.

The prizing is fine. IMO, i don't think all the casual gamers will be in the silver division either. i think and hope that it is a mix.

Benji · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 9:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riiChard

Just to start some controversy. If I get into an easy group where I know I'm going to come first ... I'm going to throw games away and come second so that I don't have to compete against the best (who are in the Gold Division). This way I can compete against casual players which increases my chance to win a prize from the Silver Division.

Discuss.

To be honest, I hope you to drop games and place in Silver. I mean zero disrespect but the odds of you taking top 3 in Gold is quite low with Light, Rossi etc around, and your chances of taking top 3 in Silver are very good. I'd also be very happy seeing you be rewarded for your skill as a player over the Diamond level player that turns up to his first LAN and gets a Laptop.

TAriiChard · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 9:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

To be honest, I hope you to drop games and place in Silver. I mean zero disrespect but the odds of you taking top 3 in Gold is quite low with Light, Rossi etc around, and your chances of taking top 3 in Silver are very good. I'd also be very happy seeing you be rewarded for your skill as a player over the Diamond level player that turns up to his first LAN and gets a Laptop.

Haha no disrespect taken. God with all these good players in the Sydney scene it's soooo tough to get a good placing especially when the game is still so volatile with players being able to be cheesed out of the tournament. With that said I don't think any of the "competitive" players would be throwing any games away just to increase their chances of winning a prize in the Silver League.

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 9:45 AM

hey guys I apoligise if I missed any other questions but as someone mentioned there alot of walls of text out there, I address the main argument in a bit

Quote:

Originally Posted by dippa

Also, a crucial question is: will CH have their own SC2 accounts available for use? I've been to events where hackers have forced the tournaments to be cancelled - and I'd hate to lose my SC2 account to a dodgy PC.

we have some accounts (I think around 2 dozen) all i can say is we've run 3 tournaments and had countless people use their own cd-keys at our stores and no1 has ever lost an account, the only instance of any cdkey being hacked in our store in the last year is someone losing their RIFT account and that was due to them clicking a phishing link in game. In saying that there are always scumbags who try and take advantage and find a way to ruin the fun.

As for people's concern regarding the division 2's prizes, the original intention was to hold two leagues e.g. B,S,G,P and a D,M,GM after discussing it we figured what people were saying above would hold true for this format pros will use other peoples accounts, buy a new account or lie and say they dont have one (and use ours instead) just to get into the newbie division. I guess what it comes down to is WHY you attend LANs and WHY we are holding them.

The 1st can only be answered by the individual, for us we want to do a couple things 1) Give back to our loyal customers, hold an event they will enjoy, 2) Help grow the SC II community

Lets face it the average SC II customer who attends City Hunter regularly isnt the best player this event is designed so that atleast they can play someone at their level, and maybe get a prize

MSI will also be giving everyone who competes a small prize (fairly sure its just a USB with a couple Gs of memory BUT its something) Our overall goal isnt to reward to top 3 players in NSW because truth be told they most likely only come down 4x a year when we do something with SC II, we want to grow the community it order to do that all levels need to be catered for.

City Hunter is the only cafe in Sydney (that I know of) that holds regular SC II events that actually have prizes on offer, they are also significantly bigger than what our competitors hold (The 10k event was not held by a cafe it was held by NRG, said cafe was just a venue it would be like saying the WCG NSW qualifier being held at our store this Saturday is a City Hunter event, its not we're just the event partner/venue).

as for being vague on prizes, I was vague because I wasnt given the specs, Ive asked Dave and Ive said what he's told me, He isnt here today but I will push him to tell me the model numbers etc, here's what I do know

The parts of the Whole PC
- i7 processer
- Razer Mouse
- Razer Keyboard
- 1TB HD
- 4G RAM
- DVD Drive (thats also a burner)
- 560 GTX (im only 95% sure of this one as it isnt sitting beside me)

- The Note books
1st Division- one catered more towards gaming (although how good it is I am not sure)
2nd Division- very basic but good for any student/ office worker who like to work on the go

- The Graphics Cards
- now I think they may be the same I am not sure Im fairly sure they are not as good as the 560 but still decent

If you want to throw matches feel free to, but know you are selling yourself short and you are damaging the community we are trying to grow.

**nGenLight** · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 10:03 AM

@Chris "Lets face it the average SC II customer who attends City Hunter regularly isnt the best player this event is designed so that atleast they can play someone at their level, and maybe get a prize."

Very nice intentions and agreeable. What is mainly being disputed is the size and distribution of the prize awared to the top and casual players.

@Dippa I don't think we have an argument here, basically we are just disagreeing/debating on whether the prizes are distributed in a way that will award the top players and attract the casual players alike. From your summary (especially about the rigid prizes) and Chris' confirmation, it doesn't actually look too bad. I'm okay with it, especially seeing the differences between the notebooks. I just ought to make a point so that in the future event holders don't start going in the direction of awarding huge prizes to the casual players. However, I do respect your concerns for the LAN scene and keeping the casual players interested. I think a midpoint would be the optimal, and we have to consider other factors that will attract the casual players aside from the prospect of winning something.

**nGenLight** · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riiChard

Haha no disrespect taken. God with all these good players in the Sydney scene it's soooo tough to get a good placing especially when the game is still so volatile with players being able to be cheesed out of the tournament. With that said I don't think any of the "competitive" players would be throwing any games away just to increase their chances of winning a prize in the Silver League.

Haha I'm considering!

Tom · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 10:18 AM

Some very rough game theory!

Interesting game theory exercise actually, but only for the top players.

Div 1 Second Prize = Div 2 First Prize.

Probably poses a conundrum only for the top 3 players, assuming all have a roughly equal chance of beating one another.

If no players throw a game, one is guaranteed a chance at missing out on a computer. If one player throws a game, everyone gets a computer (and one player gets a great computer). If two players throw a game, one gets a great computer, one gets an okay computer and one misses out on a computer. If all three throw a game, two miss out on a computer.

Optimal result - three top players get together and one agrees to throw a game. That player is "insured" by being compensation (to some degree) by the lost opportunity to compete for the best computer. The two competing players need not be compensated because the result is determined by skill.

Solution (non-cooperation) - do not let any player know the results of the qualifying games until all players have finished their game. Top players must then deal with the conundrum that if everyone (or even two) of them throw a game, there is a significant risk (1 in 2 or 2 in 3) they will miss out on a computer entirely. If all players compete to the maximum of their ability, all three have a 2 in 3 chance of getting a computer! By preventing any player from knowing the results of qualifiers in advance, the top three players are better off (3/3 or 2/3 versus 1/3) playing to the best of their ability.

Solution (cooperation) - planned "throwing" of games do ensure top three players all get a computer. This collusion cannot be prevented and (while I am not advocating this), the top three players' interests are maximised by colluding such that one player agrees to throws a game and receive compensation from the other two.

In terms of how this applies outside the top 3, I think if you restrict information about results, this will also have a trickle down effect to weaker players. This is because it may in the interests of a strong (but not top 3) player to throw a game, to get the best shot at a notebook. This is especially so if the top 3 players are rational and all play to the best of their ability to ensure at least a 2/3 chance at getting a computer. The issue then is that the (lets say top 4) player will probably get the Div 2 computer. Accordingly, players below the top 4 should also play from the strongest division to try and get a Prize 3 or 4 in Div 1, knowing that the "rational" fourth best player will aim for Division 2, thus freeing up a prize in Div 1 for them!

The organisers would dramatically increase the odds of most players trying their best by increasing the number of (low value) prizes offered in Div 1. This would mean it would only be worthwhile for 1 or 2 good players to "throw" a game to have a shot at the Div 2 notebook. Once this player throws the game, all the weaker players might as well just try their best to try and get a low value Div 1 prize.

TL;DR

Best way to get legitimate play - do not let any players have access to game results until everyone has qualified! This will not prevent private arrangements between players (but these players run the risk of someone not "honouring" the bargain).

Based on the prize structure, the top 3 players have an incentive to play to the best of their ability, assuming none have access to information about the other players' results.

The "fourth best" player is best off "throwing" a game, no matter what.

All other decent players might as well play their best. The way to maximise this is to offer some additional "low value" prizes for 5th, 6th etc in Div 1.

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nGenLight

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Very nice intentions and agreeable. What is mainly being disputed is the size and distribution of the prize awared to the top and casual players.

the current prize set up has the prizes distributed as roughly 80% to the top comp and 20% to the 2nd comp, so what should it be reduced to 10%? 5%? 0%? please tell us so we know for future reference?

All other decent players might as well play their best. The way to maximise this is to offer some additional "low value" prizes for 5th, 6th etc in Div 1.[/QUOTE]

4th-8th all go home with a electronic helicopter

**nGenLight** · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 12:06 PM

^ It is fine setting at 20% as it is from the clarification from yourself and summary from Dippa. The vagueness of the prizes from the announcement was what really generated concerns. But it's fine!

TAavanar · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riiChard

Just to start some controversy. If I get into an easy group where I know I'm going to come first ... I'm going to throw games away and come second so that I don't have to compete against the best (who are in the Gold Division). This way I can compete against casual players which increases my chance to win a prize from the Silver Division.

Discuss.

wait u actually play this game?

deL · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 6:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

the current prize set up has the prizes distributed as roughly 80% to the top comp and 20% to the 2nd comp, so what should it be reduced to 10%? 5%? 0%? please tell us so we know for future reference?

All other decent players might as well play their best. The way to maximise this is to offer some additional "low value" prizes for 5th, 6th etc in Div 1.

4th-8th all go home with a electronic helicopter

[/QUOTE]
I think the issue was with the vagueness of the prizes. It seemed to us that the 1st prize in the Silver division was equal to the 2nd prize in the Gold division, which is obviously a problem. Prize distribution seems fine for now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom

TL;DR

Best way to get legitimate play - do not let any players have access to game results until everyone has qualified! This will not prevent private arrangements between players (but these players run the risk of someone not "honouring" the bargain).

I don't think this is an option if what dippa is saying is true - this detracts from a lot of the fun for people who have no chance at winning. The reason I go to LANs as someone who has no chance at a prize are for 2 main reasons: meet and play with friends/sc2 fans and to follow the results/watch games. Without being able to follow along with a bracket as a spectator or player who isn't there to win is going to diminish a lot of the fun for me personally and I assume there are people who think similarly. Also I don't think it would be that effective because there are match histories so you can construct your own results, and many people are well known on SEA so I think you could make quite accurate guesses about at least the top 3 placings in a bracket and how many wins or losses that is going to be. This was the case for NRG qualifier groups as almost every favourite topped their group.

The easier way is to just ensure a fair format and prize distribution and you will not have any more game-throwing or foul play than any other tournament and that is all you can really ask when the standard of these other offline or online tournaments is acceptable.

Tom · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 8:43 PM

Well yeah obviously the best way to ensure fair play is to only have 1 division ;p

I'm just interested in how one should structure a prize pool that is decent for lower tier players without encouraging better players to throw games!

**PiG** · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 9:58 PM

Nub Question: What's a helicopter?

SnoWPanda · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 10:01 PM

why do they always love scrap station! man I hate that map with a passion! god what an awful map.

Benji · Mon, 20th-Jun-2011, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiG

Nub Question: What's a helicopter?

Quick google search found this, hope it gives you a rough idea:

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...ft/MSIHawk.jpg

dippa · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 2:57 AM

Quote:

4th-8th all go home with a electronic helicopter

I think the issue was with the vagueness of the prizes. It seemed to us that the 1st prize in the Silver division was equal to the 2nd prize in the Gold division, which is obviously a problem. Prize distribution seems fine for now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deL

I don't think this is an option if what dippa is saying is true - this detracts from a lot of the fun for people who have no chance at winning. The reason I go to LANs as someone who has no chance at a prize are for 2 main reasons: meet and play with friends/sc2 fans and to follow the results/watch games. Without being able to follow along with a bracket as a spectator or player who isn't there to win is going to diminish a lot of the fun for me personally and I assume there are people who think similarly. Also I don't think it would be that effective because there are match histories so you can construct your own results, and many people are well known on SEA so I think you could make quite accurate guesses about at least the top 3 placings in a bracket and how many wins or losses that is going to be. This was the case for NRG qualifier groups as almost every favourite topped their group.

The easier way is to just ensure a fair format and prize distribution and you will not have any more game-throwing or foul play than any other tournament and that is all you can really ask when the standard of these other offline or online tournaments is acceptable.

Not only is it not an option, it's downright impossible - unless you stop players from spectating the game (thereby telling their friends about the result) and stop the players from leaving the area and contacting their friends after they've finished their matches (which you can't legally do because it's not specifically in the T&C when people signed up to play in the tournament).

And Brendan's right again - LANs are about the social aspect of gaming as much as they are about the competitive side.

Plus, even a Nazi admin (that's me) wouldn't go so far as to withhold results. Too much effort for zero value in the long run (when you consider that you're basically removing half the fun from the LAN).

dippa · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 3:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

the current prize set up has the prizes distributed as roughly 80% to the top comp and 20% to the 2nd comp, so what should it be reduced to 10%? 5%? 0%? please tell us so we know for future reference?

All other decent players might as well play their best. The way to maximise this is to offer some additional "low value" prizes for 5th, 6th etc in Div 1.

4th-8th all go home with a electronic helicopter

[/QUOTE]

you guys are doing fine, relax

see how people react after the event and then take stock.

TAriiChard · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

Quick google search found this, hope it gives you a rough idea:

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...ft/MSIHawk.jpg

Stop trolling you troll. MSI Helicopters look this
http://www.army-technology.com/proje...ges/tiger6.jpg

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 3:01 PM

Hi Guys

There has been a lot of talk regarding City Hunter’s policy on the wearing of Competitors logos inside our venues in particular on competition days.

Our Policy is as follows:

‘City Hunter does not allow any material that promotes a direct competitor i.e. LAN Cafes inside their venues.’

Many people may ask why this is the case, so I’ll explain our position, City Hunter spends a significant amount of time, money and stress into contributing to the development and growth of the esports community and has done so for many years. From a business ethics point of view, We believe our competitors should not reap from the rewards of all our hard efforts for little to no contribution to WCG.

This stance is not uncommon in business Coles wouldnt allow Woolworths to promote inside their shops Target for Big W, David Jones in Myer etc etc nor would thier competitors expect them to.

If you have any concerns regarding this policy feel free to PM me so we can discuss this further

**iM tgun** · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

Hi Guys

There has been a lot of talk regarding City Hunter’s policy on the wearing of Competitors logos inside our venues in particular on competition days.

Our Policy is as follows:

‘City Hunter does not allow any material that promotes a direct competitor i.e. LAN Cafes inside their venues.’

Many people may ask why this is the case, so I’ll explain our position, City Hunter spends a significant amount of time, money and stress into contributing to the development and growth of the esports community and has done so for many years. From a business ethics point of view, We believe our competitors should not reap from the rewards of all our hard efforts for little to no contribution to WCG.

This stance is not uncommon in business Coles wouldnt allow Woolworths to promote inside their shops Target for Big W, David Jones in Myer etc etc nor would thier competitors expect them to.

If you have any concerns regarding this policy feel free to PM me so we can discuss this further

This needs to be changed; you're essentially neglecting a whole group of people (TA) because their sponsor is a lan cafe. If the situation were reversed, wouldn't you feel this would be stupid?

deL · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 4:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

Hi Guys

There has been a lot of talk regarding City Hunter’s policy on the wearing of Competitors logos inside our venues in particular on competition days.

Our Policy is as follows:

‘City Hunter does not allow any material that promotes a direct competitor i.e. LAN Cafes inside their venues.’

Many people may ask why this is the case, so I’ll explain our position, City Hunter spends a significant amount of time, money and stress into contributing to the development and growth of the esports community and has done so for many years. From a business ethics point of view, We believe our competitors should not reap from the rewards of all our hard efforts for little to no contribution to WCG.

By denying a large group of players who have worked hard to obtain sponsorship the chance to represent their team and limiting the ways a player can sustain their starcraft career/hobby. Right.

You use Big W as an example, but this is more like a football team sponsored by a bank playing on a football field sponsored/named by a different bank. Or poker players who are sponsored by one online poker site playing in a tournament that is affiliated with a different website. Happens all the time - it's the nature of the beast because similar companies are going to be interested in supporting teams or people who are part of the same sport that their competitors are sponsoring. You can't say on one hand "we support esports and contibute so much to the scene" and on the other say "because we support esports so much no one else can contribute" - it comes across as childish rather than like a rational business decision.

No one is going to go to a large CityHunter tournament well run by CityHunter admins and have a great time, and then go "oh look this guy has a competitor's logo on his shirt let's forget about this great event and go conduct our business there instead".

I feel that doing something like this is going to make those supported by another net cafe bitter about the whole experience and go out of their way to let people know about their affiliation with the other netcafe. It puts more pressure on you guys to perform well, because every chance they get they will compare it to the other netcafe and in this medium where your visuals are saturated by the CityHunter logos and venue word of mouth and verbal support is going to have more impact than a small logo. By denying this and upsetting a large number of players affiliated with competitors you guarantee that if they do well any news posts are going to broadcast their sponsorship by another cafe in large, bold letters, undoing the hard work you say you put in to the scene. If you just live and let live in this case I personally feel you're more likely to have the players comment positively about the event and not put so much emphasis on the competitior - you're probably playing right in to the competition's hands.

For the record, I am not personally sponsored or affiliated in any way with a LAN cafe sponsor.

Quick Comments

PiG:

Good points deL

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 6:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgun

This needs to be changed; you're essentially neglecting a whole group of people (TA) because their sponsor is a lan cafe. If the situation were reversed, wouldn't you feel this would be stupid?

The policy above doesnt not exclude TA just the use of material that would promote their sponsor, At present no one from either TA or their sponsor has contacted me to try and see if a resolution could be obtained.

In regards to your second point the people we sponsor are expected not to tag there in-game names or bring any kind of material promoting our cafe when attending competitors LANs out of respect for said competitors

Sanctify · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 6:31 PM

So, which SC players live in Sydney anyway :L?

**iM tgun** · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 6:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

The policy above doesnt not exclude TA just the use of material that would promote their sponsor, At present no one from either TA or their sponsor has contacted me to try and see if a resolution could be obtained.

In regards to your second point the people we sponsor are expected not to tag there in-game names or bring any kind of material promoting our cafe when attending competitors LANs out of respect for said competitors

I am not saying you're keeping them away from the tournament; but if they're unable to represent their sponsor, their sponsor is less inclined to invest in e-sports, thus hurting a competetive setup in general.

TAriiChard · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

The policy above doesnt not exclude TA just the use of material that would promote their sponsor, At present no one from either TA or their sponsor has contacted me to try and see if a resolution could be obtained.

In regards to your second point the people we sponsor are expected not to tag there in-game names or bring any kind of material promoting our cafe when attending competitors LANs out of respect for said competitors

I was actually in contact with someone who had contact with the "tournament director" and I was informed that we were allowed to wear our sponsored uniforms to the WCG City Hunter event. So I basically assumed that communication had occurred between WCG and City Hunter on this issue but then I figured that WCG and City Hunter didn't communicate with each other over this matter after I saw your post today. (I was referred to this email if I wanted to escalate things j.gray@tlsolutions.com.au)

A quote from a post on Team Liquid forums from Casua1ty a WCG representative stated;

"I am from World Cyber Games and I have not been made aware or had any complaints lodged.

All players, no matter what they are wearing will be welcome at the event. CityHunter has not tried to, or specified, that they have this requirement to us, and therefore cannot act on our behalf to enforce this.

Come to the event, and if anyone tries to kick you out, I will make sure the admins are aware of the situation, and they will deal with it

"

From this, it looks like some kind of miscommunication must have occurred so what do you propose?

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 7:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riiChard

I was actually in contact with someone who had contact with the "tournament director" and I was informed that we were allowed to wear our sponsored uniforms to the WCG City Hunter event. So I basically assumed that communication had occurred between WCG and City Hunter on this issue but then I figured that WCG and City Hunter didn't communicate with each other over this matter after I saw your post today. (I was referred to this email if I wanted to escalate things j.gray@tlsolutions.com.au)

A quote from a post on Team Liquid forums from Casua1ty a WCG representative stated;

"I am from World Cyber Games and I have not been made aware or had any complaints lodged.

All players, no matter what they are wearing will be welcome at the event. CityHunter has not tried to, or specified, that they have this requirement to us, and therefore cannot act on our behalf to enforce this.

Come to the event, and if anyone tries to kick you out, I will make sure the admins are aware of the situation, and they will deal with it

"

From this, it looks like some kind of miscommunication must have occurred so what do you propose?

can I ask who you spoke to who had contact from City Hunter? because only myself and my boss have any contact with the tournament organizer, in regards to the miscommunication that is clearly something that has to be followed up,

TAriiChard · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 7:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

can I ask who you spoke to who had contact from City Hunter? because only myself and my boss have any contact with the tournament organizer, in regards to the miscommunication that is clearly something that has to be followed up,

I'll be pm-ing you

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 7:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riiChard

I'll be pm-ing you

I appreciate it

TAriiChard · Tue, 21st-Jun-2011, 8:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

I appreciate it

=p awesome. I do hope there is a resolution between every party involved in this issue.

myth_au · Wed, 22nd-Jun-2011, 9:15 AM

I am confused.

Is this whole "can't show competing sponsor's logo" for the WCG event OR for the anniversary festival.

I would think they are two different things. Or are we debating over this generally?

**ToR.Arnor** · Wed, 22nd-Jun-2011, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myth_au

I am confused.

Is this whole "can't show competing sponsor's logo" for the WCG event OR for the anniversary festival.

I would think they are two different things. Or are we debating over this generally?

Its a policy at our venue regardless of whether its an event or a regular day, the issue is being worked out by the parties involved

AlphaWhale · Wed, 22nd-Jun-2011, 5:14 PM

I'm coming for my free USB flash drive.

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 24th-Jun-2011, 9:40 AM

Hey Guys more info on the awesome prizes provided by MSI

1st Division

1st. Whole PC set
A fractal Design case,
MSI 560 Graphic Card,
MSI P67AC45 Mother Board,
Intel i7,
4G RAM and DRW Drive
Razer Abyssus and Razer Arctosa
BenQ 24inch led monitor

2nd. MSI U160 Black net book

3rd. MSI 560 Graphic card

2nd Division FINAL

1st. MSI U135(DX) Black net book
2nd. MSI 560 Graphic card

P.S the PC has been build and it looks freaken awesome

dragonnaus · Mon, 27th-Jun-2011, 8:19 PM

Chris, looks great.. I have bought my tokens but how am I guaranteed a spot at either haymarket or chinatown?

Looking forward to it all.

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 28th-Jun-2011, 8:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonnaus

Chris, looks great.. I have bought my tokens but how am I guaranteed a spot at either haymarket or chinatown?

Looking forward to it all.

PM me your invoice number so i can check payment has been made then give me your contact email/phone number, your ingame name and which qualifier you want to attend, theres plenty of spots at all sites so you can choose whee you like

mOOnGLaDe · Wed, 29th-Jun-2011, 10:55 AM

any chance i could get a auto qualify so i can i can fly down for it?

Benji · Wed, 29th-Jun-2011, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mOOnGLaDe

any chance i could get a auto qualify so i can i can fly down for it?

OMFG NO

jk, i'll ask Chris or Allen unless they read this first :P I think Soft wanted to know the same thing.

deL · Wed, 29th-Jun-2011, 1:39 PM

Can I also get auto-qualify?

YJY · Wed, 29th-Jun-2011, 6:35 PM

can i get an auto qualify too? i live in canberra, and ill come up for the day

**PiG** · Wed, 29th-Jun-2011, 6:44 PM

Hi Chris I signed up at burwood but they seemed a bit lost, I have my receipt though can i reserve a spot at burwood?

Name: Jared Krensel
ID/Character code: altpig.464
Location: burwood
Paid!
contact: jkrensel@hotmail.com, 0415 536 317

**ToR.Arnor** · Wed, 29th-Jun-2011, 9:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mOOnGLaDe

any chance i could get a auto qualify so i can i can fly down for it?

Hey GLaDe funnily enough I actually was speaking to Dave (the other marketing guy who's actually incharge of this event) and saying that we should give you auto qualifier i think i convinced him but I will get the final nod from him hopefully tomorrow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deL

Can I also get auto-qualify?

without being rude I know full well you are a driving force behind growing the SCII community but I dont really know much about how you are as a player,are you in the league of GLaDe and YJY? trouble is if we 'seed' people straight into the final we'll need to draw the line somewhere it will mostly be based on location e.g. another state and ability e.g. 100% youll qualify if you were to attend,

so long story short, what's your rank? and where are you located?

Quote:

Originally Posted by YJY

can i get an auto qualify too? i live in canberra, and ill come up for the day

YJY based on your result @ WCG (congrats btw) I think if we give it to GLaDe you should be entitled to it as well, then of course we'll have to allow iaguz (sp?) and Mafia too :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiG

Hi Chris I signed up at burwood but they seemed a bit lost, I have my receipt though can i reserve a spot at burwood?

Name: Jared Krensel
ID/Character code: altpig.464
Location: burwood
Paid!
contact: jkrensel@hotmail.com, 0415 536 317

They must be a bit lost Im looking at the rego form and your details are all there in black and white lol

myth_au · Thu, 30th-Jun-2011, 8:36 AM

Are we meant to register before hand or on the day?

I'm interested in playing at Chatswood if so.

(in advance) thanks Chris

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 30th-Jun-2011, 8:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myth_au

Are we meant to register before hand or on the day?

I'm interested in playing at Chatswood if so.

(in advance) thanks Chris

beforehand

you can do it online via buying 2x $5 cards from www.morefun.com.au (then emailing me your contact info, invoice number etc) or you can do it from any City Hunter store e.g. you can sign up at Haymarket for the Chatswood one if you really wanted to

.

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 30th-Jun-2011, 9:38 AM

YJY and GLaDe, PM me your number ill give you a buzz

ROOT`iaguz · Mon, 4th-Jul-2011, 8:04 PM

Can I auto qualify?

I'm just lazy is all.

**nGenLight** · Mon, 4th-Jul-2011, 8:08 PM

CAN i too?

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 4th-Jul-2011, 8:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iaguz

Can I auto qualify?

I'm just lazy is all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nGenLight

CAN i too?

Hey Guys we've actually decided no auto qualifier just to be fair to everyone its saves the whole drama of who deserves it and who doesnt.

So a really hope to see you attending because I can tell you its shaping up to be a competition as tight as the WCG qualifier

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 7th-Jul-2011, 9:32 AM

just some pics of the prizes

enjoy

NvRossi · Thu, 7th-Jul-2011, 10:03 AM

sooooo hot, want to touch the ....

Quick Comments

deL:

hiney

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 7th-Jul-2011, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TARossi

sooooo hot, want to touch the ....

I know, sometimes it annoys me that I have to give away all this awesome stuff

I so need a new computer/notebook current one cant even play SCII :| (hasnt really been an issue seeing how I work for a net cafe chain lol)

mOOnGLaDe · Thu, 7th-Jul-2011, 10:31 AM

i am sad i cannot get a spot! i dont think i can go now

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 7th-Jul-2011, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mOOnGLaDe

i am sad i cannot get a spot! i dont think i can go now

Really? Cause I thought I heard you about 10 hours ago saying you were planning on burning the PC if you won it :P

**PiG** · Thu, 7th-Jul-2011, 2:46 PM

Re: earlier post,

Thanks alot chris!

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 8th-Jul-2011, 1:55 PM

heres a pic of the USB everyone gets

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 8:25 AM

Hey Guys there still quite a few spots left for this event, so grab your mates and get them to join up, even if they dont have an account we have a couple dozen we can lendto people for the event, the 4G usb more than covers your Entry fee, not to mention they can meet legendary players like Rossi, Iaguz, Light, Mafia and YYJ (and many more!).

Quick Comments

nGenLight:

LEGENDARY

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 1:30 PM

fyi
Pic of the trophy (and certificates)

Quick Comments

	Aean(::	that is badass
	nirvAnA:	so sick! certificates too! nice

SayfT · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 1:56 PM

I'll come on the day (if i can) if there are spots available cool, if not then ill just chill :P

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerlan.au

I'll come on the day (if i can) if there are spots available cool, if not then ill just chill :P

We'd really prefer you didnt do that we want to be able to seed people before the day so the event can run smoother people who do like are likely to just be thrown into a group that has a GM in it :P

sign up before the day the event is still like 9 days away plenty of time to do it (signing up online takes like 2mins)

**Maynarde** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 2:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

fyi
Pic of the trophy (and certificates)

Rossi's trophy and certificates look awesome!

Quick Comments

	TAavanar:	lol!
	TAriiChard:	ROSSIIII!!!!
	NvRossi:	Thanks for the confidence!

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 2:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Rossi's trophy and certificates look awesome!

LOL He'll have to get past a few giants 1st the powerhouses of Mafia, Light, Iaguz and YYJ are all attending and rumor has it the boys from beyond the border are also looking to that PC with a with a little bit of drool

NvRossi · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 2:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Rossi's trophy and certificates look awesome!

lol i wish

ToRDjvillian · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 3:28 PM

Question: would this event be worth the 2.5 hour drive from Canberra for a plat level player? (nothing ever happens here)

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djvillian

Question: would this event be worth the 2.5 hour drive from Canberra for a plat level player? (nothing ever happens here)

well a platinum could probably still scrap a 2nd in his group match and qualify in the finals and provided no one really good (M and GM) loses on purpose youll still have a decent chance to go top 3 and win prizes from 2nd division

the original concept of the 2nd division was so platinum players like yourself dont feel like you're never given the chance

everyone gets a 4G usb (which is worth more than the entry). I would come down even if its just to meet some of the people from the community, its up to the individual and why they want to to go to LAN i suppose, to win? or to socialise?

**Maynarde** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djvillian

Question: would this event be worth the 2.5 hour drive from Canberra for a plat level player? (nothing ever happens here)

If you're really keen to play in a tournament and there aren't any local ones then why not man? There's gonna be some of SEA's best and brightest there, and lan tournaments are always a blast (in my experience anyway) even if you get thumped :P

Most people will be happy to give you pointers as well, not to mention the occasional 1v1 or team game

Best go with a mate just to make sure you have an awesome time and someone to talk to in the car :P

SayfT · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 3:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

We'd really prefer you didnt do that we want to be able to seed people before the day so the event can run smoother people who do like are likely to just be thrown into a group that has a GM in it :P

sign up before the day the event is still like 9 days away plenty of time to do it (signing up online takes like 2mins)

I'm not sure if I will be able to come at all, thats why I will show up *if* I can , I reserved my name 2 times for a CH SC2 event and couldn't attend both times (so i just wasted my own money and waiting time for my opponent)

so instead of wasting registration fee/orgoniser's time with me not showing up I'd rather take my chances and show up on the day :S

Azron · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 4:08 PM

dayem i'll def interested - its on like donkey kong...for some of us lol

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 4:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerlan.au

I'm not sure if I will be able to come at all, thats why I will show up *if* I can , I reserved my name 2 times for a CH SC2 event and couldn't attend both times (so i just wasted my own money and waiting time for my opponent)

so instead of wasting registration fee/orgoniser's time with me not showing up I'd rather take my chances and show up on the day :S

fair enough dude, yeah even if they cant put you in you can always hang around and meet the community

ROOT`iaguz · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 8:32 PM

Glade will be coming down methinks. There's a good chance he'll be spending the night enjoying the hospitality of the Halls of Zugai-ia.

And then I break his fingers. Fair handicap no?

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 8:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iaguz

Glade will be coming down methinks. There's a good chance he'll be spending the night enjoying the hospitality of the Halls of Zugai-ia.

And then I break his fingers. Fair handicap no?

you could use your axe on him?

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 19th-Jul-2011, 3:09 PM

Ok guys update

Burwood is now full the other 3 locations have around 8-10 people left, so last chance kids

aLtNinja · Tue, 19th-Jul-2011, 4:39 PM

Signed up for chinatown store

**ToR.Arnor** · Wed, 20th-Jul-2011, 8:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormninja

Signed up for chinatown store

I noticed

Ok so rego update

Chinatown- 5 spots left
Haymarket- 11 spots left
Burwood- FULL
Chatswood- 3 spots left

LAST CHANCE TO WIN YOURSELF A BRAND NEW PC

EDIT: 6 sign ups in 2 hours lol spots left have been reduced!

**ToR.Arnor** · Wed, 20th-Jul-2011, 9:35 AM

Also an announcment

MSI our event partner has given the chance for two Lucky individuals seeding into the finals these two individuals were chosen for several reasons, they are both top players among SEA and both would have been unable to attend the qualifiers due to other commitments

These Players are:

FXOmoonglade
TAms

congratulations to the two of them and we look forward to seeing you in the finals

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 8:26 AM

also another rego update

Ok so rego update

Chinatown- 4 spots left
Haymarket- 5 spots left
Burwood- 1 spot left
Chatswood- FULL

Fenner · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 11:56 AM

Oh god, I was just about to leave for Chatswood

such bad timing

Fenner · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 11:58 AM

Is there anyway to reserve a spot for one of the locations left? I can't purchase online at the moment and I can't make it into the City today.

Fenner · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 12:34 PM

I managed to get a trip to Haymarket please save 1 spot for me! I'll be there in like 1 hour. Danmate.891 is my ID

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenner

I managed to get a trip to Haymarket please save 1 spot for me! I'll be there in like 1 hour. Danmate.891 is my ID

hey buddy no probs but u can rego @ CHatswood for the Haymarket event if thats easier

Fenner · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

hey buddy no probs but u can rego @ CHatswood for the Haymarket event if thats easier

Oh sweet I didn't realize I could that, I'll go down to Chatswood and get a spot somewhere. Thank you so much!

ToRDjvillian · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 2:19 PM

Woot registered for haymarket

The one thing I'm not lookIng forward to is the 3hr trip from the act but I'm keen to get smashed and learn from those masters.

WakingLife · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 2:36 PM

i registered for chinatown cityhunter, i think i put down the wrong character code:

LAGWakinLife 813

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 2:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WakingLife

i registered for chinatown cityhunter, i think i put down the wrong character code:

LAGWakinLife 813

np ill fix it

Ok so rego update #3

Chinatown- 5 spots left
Haymarket- FULL
Burwood- FULL
Chatswood- FULL

Fenner · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 4:12 PM

Yay signed up, what a wet day!

Thanks for your help Chris.

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 6:18 PM

Hey Guys

so a little info on how the qualifiers work

*Players will be split into groups of 4, you will play a bof3 match against each person in your group
*the top player in a group qualifies for the 1st division final
*the second placed person in a group will qualifies for the 2nd Division Final

the people with the highest rank e.g. GM, M and where possible D will be split into separate groups

the remaining 3 people will be selected at random

Any questions?

dippa · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 6:27 PM

I'm just going to rego again, because I'm not 100% that I'm signed up.

TAdippa.684, going to Chinatown plz!

Sanctify · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 10:35 PM

hey when I signed up at chatswood, they only asked for my name/contact info :S ?
From this thread it looks like I'm meant to have my character code or something? Sanctify#821 for chatswood already paid and everything, if i need it. If there's any problem or something I'm missing could you contact me please

?

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 21st-Jul-2011, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanctify

hey when I signed up at chatswood, they only asked for my name/contact info :S ?
From this thread it looks like I'm meant to have my character code or something? Sanctify#821 for chatswood already paid and everything, if i need it. If there's any problem or something I'm missing could you contact me please

?

yeah we've spoken to Chatswood about that basically i like id so i can make sure groups are evenly matched dont think its fair that 4 Ms get pulled together in one group and 4 Plats in another :P

lol also ill need to who your rl name so i can add it to the right person :P

PM it

DMK · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

yeah we've spoken to Chatswood about that basically i like id so i can make sure groups are evenly matched dont think its fair that 4 Ms get pulled together in one group and 4 Plats in another :P

lol also ill need to who your rl name so i can add it to the right person :P

PM it

If most venues are full except Chinatown can we please see the groups? (nicknames only of course)

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 1:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

If most venues are full except Chinatown can we please see the groups? (nicknames only of course)

alot of people didnt use their names I will post them ones that did provide their names though

Chinatown

NinjaOng
nGenbenji
LAGberimbau
Tarossi
nGenLight
Lipec
SpiritLynn
Chopper
vohne
Cite
Crisidia
Moony
LAGWakinLife
UNSWkid
Rampager
LAGizs.157
Kulla.147
Dalu Wang
everNExt
AKtemujin
FlyingForest
WzhouYamath
FishBones
Perfume
Lloyd
dontblink
Warble
asdiuh
Blank
iCHORNinja
Inconsistent
Tom
1x Unknown

Haymarket

TAdeL
DMK
ScubaStebe
YoonYJ
ctsanti
Erasmus
Guy
Danmate
ToRDjvillian
TAdippa
10x unknown (ill be talking to Haymarket about this)

Burwood

Altpig
Alex
Eldrid
Magikarp
Junho
Myuu
KayZ
TAriiChard
uR2two
TAScarecrow
TASanchez
Bitters
dshaun
Callandor
ZOMGDURRRR
HFLY
ztmfpapa
TALkori
x2 unknown

Chatswood

NothingToSay
aLtiaguz
Uselessproobe
Nicebade
ngenmafia
CoRRuPTioN
Sukari
Dice
the squid
Rocky
Silenus
21x unknown (ill be talking to Chatswood about this lol)

Fenner · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 1:33 PM

If a spot opens up at Chatswood i'll definitely like to be moved from Haymarket to Chatswood since its much easier for me to get there.

Only a small issue though doesn't really matter

DMK · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 1:44 PM

TAdeL Diamond
DMK Plat
ScubaStebe Gold
YoonYJ GM
ctsanti Master
Erasmus Master
Guy Diamond
Danmate Master
ToRDjvillian Plat
TAdippa Master

As MMA wouldn't say, I am already loss.

Benji · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 1:54 PM

Quote:

Lipec

Put Allen in my group gogogo! :P

ToRDjvillian · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 2:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

TAdeL Diamond
DMK Plat
ScubaStebe Gold
YoonYJ GM
ctsanti Master
Erasmus Master
Guy Diamond
Danmate Master
ToRDjvillian Plat
TAdippa Master

As MMA wouldn't say, I am already loss.

Worsers. I'm no longer worried about the drop bears :S
10 silvers please???

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

TAdeL Diamond
DMK Plat
ScubaStebe Gold
YoonYJ GM
ctsanti Master
Erasmus Master
Guy Diamond
Danmate Master
ToRDjvillian Plat
TAdippa Master

As MMA wouldn't say, I am already loss.

thats why we created the 2nd division finals

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

Put Allen in my group gogogo! :P

lol the top players from each shop will be separated into different groups e.g. (10 in Chinatown, 6 in Haymarket, 5 in Burwood, 8 in Chatswood) the remain people will be selected via lucky draw (apparently on the day but i wanna do it tonight

)

ToRDjvillian · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 2:23 PM

I still doubt I'll make 2nd div

DMK · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 2:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djvillian

I still doubt I'll make 2nd div

It'll be fine, we are both plats at Haymarket. We will get smashed by the master in our group. But I am sure we have both taken some games off diamonds on ladder. So there is still a chance! Plus if people were too dopey to leave their ID they will probably forget overlords too. :P

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 2:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

It'll be fine, we are both plats at Haymarket. We will get smashed by the master in our group. But I am sure we have both taken some games off diamonds on ladder. So there is still a chance! Plus if people were too dopey to leave their ID they will probably forget overlords too. :P

i think alot of them either dont have accounts (which makes them bronze-gold level) or they play on the CNN server (so who know how good they are!)

youll be fine

ps guys rego is now FULL! sorry!

**|Erasmus|** · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

TAdeL Diamond
DMK Plat
ScubaStebe Gold
YoonYJ GM
ctsanti Master
Erasmus Master
Guy Diamond
Danmate Master
ToRDjvillian Plat
TAdippa Master

As MMA wouldn't say, I am already loss.

wtf? I'm not in masters... I'm in plat, but at diamond level since the ladder lock. I have won one game against a master on ladder, but I am not that good yet.

DMK · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

wtf? I'm not in masters... I'm in plat, but at diamond level since the ladder lock. I have won one game against a master on ladder, but I am not that good yet.

Ooops I typed your name into sc2 ranks and it showed your Team status. My mistake. There is 2 Erasmas as well to make it more confusing :P

**|Erasmus|** · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

Ooops I typed your name into sc2 ranks and it showed your Team status. My mistake. There is 2 Erasmas as well to make it more confusing :P

Haha, yeah. I played another Erasmus on NA one time. Was kinda amusing.

And my all Terran 3v3 time of plat players placed into masters, so yeah, Terran imba!

Just practice all-ins for the masters/GMs we meet on sunday (I say this now so I can go CC first and get away with it, obv.)...

DMK · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 3:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Haha, yeah. I played another Erasmus on NA one time. Was kinda amusing.

And my all Terran 3v3 time of plat players placed into masters, so yeah, Terran imba!

Just practice all-ins for the masters/GMs we meet on sunday (I say this now so I can go CC first and get away with it, obv.)...

Haha mind games, thing is, I think they might scout :P then all my plans fail! :P

Lipec@CityHunter · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

Put Allen in my group gogogo! :P

LOL, I'll make you a big surprise

Lipec@CityHunter · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 7:31 PM

rego update #4

Chinatown- 1 spot left
Haymarket- FULL
Burwood- FULL
Chatswood- FULL

ps: who gona be our last spot taker

and will put in my group~~

ToRDjvillian · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 7:44 PM

Have yoonyj and Santi pulled out of haymarket?

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 22nd-Jul-2011, 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djvillian

Have yoonyj and Santi pulled out of haymarket?

they have so 2 spots left in Haymarket :|

myth_au · Sat, 23rd-Jul-2011, 8:30 AM

HI Chris, can i reserve a spot at Haymarket.

Michael Lim
CruxMyth.396.

I will be there first thing tomorrow morning to pay.

**ToR.Arnor** · Sat, 23rd-Jul-2011, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myth_au

HI Chris, can i reserve a spot at Haymarket.

Michael Lim
CruxMyth.396.

I will be there first thing tomorrow morning to pay.

done be there or be circle

dippa · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 12:21 PM

So, Haymarket then.

Rocked up and my name wasn't on the list (fufufufu chris!). Didn't matter, because there's only like 12 ppl around anyway.

deL seeded first. All the groups are sectioned off, so you're sitting with the people inside your group. Not the smartest management, but Michael - I think that's his name - is a lovely fellow, so I couldn't care.

deL played 12 grandmasters at once, while on fire, defeated them all handily.

As for actual results:

- **** all people showed up, so the groups were a bit awkward.

- in one group: erasmus, myself, myth and someone else. myth+me through to gold (CH guy determined we were worth it, i suppose) and erasmus through to the silver league.

- del obviously through to gold. he beat 12 grandmasters at once ON FIRE, come on.

full list:

gold haymarket
-----------------------
myth
del
dippa
djvillian

silver/div2
-------
erasmus
fanton (gold player)
?
?
?

not sure who made it here, you guys can update it.

either way, the winner of the finals obviously came from haymarket, because noobs like richard were too scared to come here. competition's just _that_ intense.

(del likes banshees)

ToRDjvillian · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 1:03 PM

I was quite disappointed. Drove up from Canberra for one game against someone who has played for 2 weeks.

I want to go to the silver division to make the next trip up worth while. A 3hr drive to lose in the first round of gold doesn't seem worth it

TAScarecrow · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 1:14 PM

Burwood Gold qualifiers:

aLtPiG
TAriiChard
TAScarecrow
Eldrid
Myuu

Silver:

Kayz
Alex
TALkori
Hfly
TASanchez

Seeding's been very iffy, had 3 gm's in one group whilst mine was gm, diamond, plat, gold. Hopefully they allocate a few more finals spots, will gold/silver finals be 4 groups of 4 or 8 as initially posted?

ROOT`iaguz · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 1:26 PM

Chatswood had me, poker face and mafia qualifying, among others.

Benji · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 2:54 PM

Chinatown was pretty good, seeding was well done, had 9 or 10 groups and i'm not 100% sure who all the golds were but off the top of my head they were:

nGenLight
TARossi
Tom
IchorNinja
nGenBenji

and a few more, I THINK Wakinglife got one of them, but not 100% sure sorry ^_^

And @ Dippa, you were on the list for Chinatown, obv some miscommunication there.

TAriiChard · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 2:59 PM

Burwood was pretty well run. The admins were pretty friendly and even a guy (I can't remember his name) gave his silver spot to TASanchez due to the fact that TASanchez was in a group with 2 other gms and thought that he deserved it more then he did.

See you guys next Sunday ^^

TAriiChard · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djvillian

I was quite disappointed. Drove up from Canberra for one game against someone who has played for 2 weeks.

I want to go to the silver division to make the next trip up worth while. A 3hr drive to lose in the first round of gold doesn't seem worth it

Woooow.... bad luck man . Next week should be heaps fun though ^^

**PiG** · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 3:05 PM

Yeah Not too challenging group for me but well run and I'm happy with it

Quick Comments

TAriiChard:

awesome live coaching with Eldrid! while gettign coached urself by Lkori haha

deL · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

And @ Dippa, you were on the list for Chinatown, obv some miscommunication there.

We literally saw the list and literally saw that dippa was literally not on it.

It got sorted out anyway.

**ToR.Arnor** · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djvillian

I was quite disappointed. Drove up from Canberra for one game against someone who has played for 2 weeks.

I want to go to the silver division to make the next trip up worth while. A 3hr drive to lose in the first round of gold doesn't seem worth it

Talk to TAIkori he might wanna switch over, sorry to hear about that Ill be following up things like this a few people might wanna switch ill try an organise it when I know all of the qualifiers.

FYI guys Ill post pics and qualifiers (from Chinatown) in the next hour or so.

ToRDjvillian · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 5:30 PM

Are there any silver divs here that would like to swap spots with me given that city hunter permits it?
I am low-mid plat and don't feel like another 3 hour drive to get hammered by gm and m.

**ToR.Arnor** · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 5:52 PM

ok Guys Photos from Chinatown:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...32880257&saved

Qualifiers from Chinatown

1st Division
LAGwakinlife 813
nGenbenji.853
Tarossi.617
nGenLight.786
lunatik.305
AKtemujin.739
Evernext
iCHORNinja.445
Tom (code：807）
inconsitent (looking to move to 2nd Division)

2nd Division
warble
cite.273
everRampager
LAGberimbau
fishbones
Wzhouyamath
Lipec
spiritlynn
UNSWkid
Moony

Fenner · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 6:04 PM

anyway we can get mouse accel turned off for next week? i find it insanely hard to play with mouse accel on

AKtemujin · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 6:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

Chinatown was pretty good, seeding was well done, had 9 or 10 groups and i'm not 100% sure who all the golds were but off the top of my head they were:

nGenLight
TARossi
Tom
IchorNinja
nGenBenji

and a few more, I THINK Wakinglife got one of them, but not 100% sure sorry ^_^

And @ Dippa, you were on the list for Chinatown, obv some miscommunication there.

Better post the qualifiers list !

**ToR.Arnor** · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenner

anyway we can get mouse accel turned off for next week? i find it insanely hard to play with mouse accel on

easy as man, I did this for guys at the Chinatown qualifier today, just ask!

Quick Comments

Fenner:

♥

NExt · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

ok Guys Photos from Chinatown:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...32880257&saved

Qualifiers from Chinatown

1st Division
LAGwakinlife 813
nGenbenji.853
Tarossi.617
nGenLight.786
lunatik.305
AKtemujin.739
Evernext
iCHORNinja.445
Tom (code：807）
inconsitent (looking to move to 2nd Division)

2nd Division
warble
cite.273
everRampager
LAGberimbau
fishbones
Wzhouyamath
Lipec
spiritlynn
UNSWkid
Moony

Get a better camera lol :P
Do you know if we are playing on the same section of Chinatown CH next week?
♥

**ToR.Arnor** · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NExt

Get a better camera lol :P
Do you know if we are playing on the same section of Chinatown CH next week?
♥

lol 1st Division plays in that room, 2nd division will play in room next to it, finals will either be in VIP rooms or the D section.

TAriiChard · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

Talk to TAIkori he might wanna switch over, sorry to hear about that Ill be following up things like this a few people might wanna switch ill try an organise it when I know all of the qualifiers.

FYI guys Ill post pics and qualifiers (from Chinatown) in the next hour or so.

From what I've heard, TALkori doesn't want to switch over.

Fenner · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 7:26 PM

I don't like the idea of people switching divisions, it kinda makes the qualifiers pointless.

Quick Comments

TAriiChard:

+1

**ToR.Arnor** · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 7:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenner

I don't like the idea of people switching divisions, it kinda makes the qualifiers pointless.

true im not going to enforce it but if a lower player wants to drop and a higher player wants to raise i dont see too much of an issue

ToRDjvillian · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenner

I don't like the idea of people switching divisions, it kinda makes the qualifiers pointless.

My qualifier was pointless. In my group was me (mid plat) and a guy so noob he wouldn't even be able to place in bronze, I was telling him what to do as I was roflstomping him he was so bad.
So I basically got an automatic pass to gold and the admin realised how shit he was and decided to put my fellow clan mate who is bette than me in silver.
Stupid no shows made haymarket qualifier pointless

**ToR.Arnor** · Sun, 24th-Jul-2011, 8:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djvillian

My qualifier was pointless. In my group was me (mid plat) and a guy so noob he wouldn't even be able to place in bronze, I was telling him what to do as I was roflstomping him he was so bad.
So I basically got an automatic pass to gold and the admin realised how shit he was and decided to put my fellow clan mate who is bette than me in silver.
Stupid no shows made haymarket qualifier pointless

kinda sucks there were alot of no shows from what ive heard both burwood and Chinatown's turnouts were fine ( i havent heard much from chatswood) cannot fathom why people would pay to enter an event and then not show up

DMK · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 6:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dippa

So, Haymarket then.

Rocked up and my name wasn't on the list (fufufufu chris!). Didn't matter, because there's only like 12 ppl around anyway.

deL seeded first. All the groups are sectioned off, so you're sitting with the people inside your group. Not the smartest management, but Michael - I think that's his name - is a lovely fellow, so I couldn't care.

deL played 12 grandmasters at once, while on fire, defeated them all handily.

As for actual results:

- **** all people showed up, so the groups were a bit awkward.

- in one group: erasmus, myself, myth and someone else. myth+me through to gold (CH guy determined we were worth it, i suppose) and erasmus through to the silver league.

- del obviously through to gold. he beat 12 grandmasters at once ON FIRE, come on.

full list:

gold haymarket
-----------------------
myth
del
dippa
djvillian

silver/div2
-------
erasmus
fanton (gold player)
?
?
?

not sure who made it here, you guys can update it.

either way, the winner of the finals obviously came from haymarket, because noobs like richard were too scared to come here. competition's just _that_ intense.

(del likes banshees)

I made it (DMK (plat)) as did GUY (Diamond) at Haymarket for Silver. From my group Jin made Gold.

myth_au · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 8:29 AM

Wow so many posts. I agree with TA Dippa (see above).

I would like to Thank CItyhunter, and in particular, Chris and Michael (assistant at Haymarket), from what i saw it was a well organised qualifier. I did have a hickup in the beginning my name wasn't on the list but that was fixed within 5 minutes. So in the scheme of things it went smoothly.

In terms spliting groups, i think my group was pretty even, we had 2 masters (TADippa, and myself), 1 Diamond (erasmus) and a not so good player (don't want to use the n word its abit harsh lol).

I was looking forward to being placed in silver but no they made me gold LOL. I'm gonna get stomped on next week.

**|Erasmus|** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 8:41 AM

in all fairness myth, you would have stomped through to first place in any of the other groups without dippa in it, most likely (I guess possibly not deL's group, but there'd be very few you wouldn't top)...

It made for some good games in our group, but it's a little silly when you have dj going through to the gold finals, and if our group was done 'properly' you'd be in the silver finals, and I'd have missed out.

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 9:27 AM

Hey Guys thanks

ill try and get the photos onto Facebook and a full line up for who's in what division but it might not be until the end of the day

deL · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenner

I don't like the idea of people switching divisions, it kinda makes the qualifiers pointless.

That would be true if the original format was adhered to but seeing there were a lot of no-shows at some of the locations you have to make do with what you have. In this case where some groups are a lot stronger than others you're going to want a bit of leniency.

For example at Haymarket some groups were full and some only had 2 players just because of the number of no-shows, which can't be helped. People in a group of 2 automatically qualify where they might not have otherwise so if they feel they can't compete and someone else would better serve their position I think it's a fair enough call to make a switch (just think, the switch could have happened in the group stage for the same effect).

myth_au · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

in all fairness myth, you would have stomped through to first place in any of the other groups without dippa in it, most likely (I guess possibly not deL's group, but there'd be very few you wouldn't top)...

It made for some good games in our group, but it's a little silly when you have dj going through to the gold finals, and if our group was done 'properly' you'd be in the silver finals, and I'd have missed out.

Haha thanks. I'll take it as a compliment!

I think Del is right though very mixed overall but it couldn't be helped given that they were some no-shows. Disappointing really, if you commit turn up, otherwise tell them and they can have freee spots.

**nGenLight** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 12:59 PM

I would like to drop to Silver THANX!

jokes

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 1:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nGenLight

I would like to drop to Silver THANX!
jokes

I didnt see the jokes for a 2nd :P

sif we're gonna let number 2# GM in silver yo nubs like me will have no chance ;(

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 3:25 PM

Here are the 1st Division Finalists

LAGwakinlife 813
nGenbenji.853
Tarossi.617
nGenLight.786
lunatik.305
AKtemujin.739
Evernext
iCHORNinja.445
Tom (code：807）
inconsitent
TAdeth.279
MoonGlade
aLtPiG
TAriiChard
TAScarecrow
Eldrid
Myuu
TADel.159
TAdippa.684
Jin
Danmate.891
ToRDjvillian. 679
CruxMyth.396
altIaguz
Ngenmafia
pokerface
SupArmani
Tekpike.442
Sampson.795
Sanctify.821
CoRRuPTioN.617

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 3:27 PM

Here are the Division 2 Finalists!

warble
cite.273
everRampager
LAGberimbau
fishbones
Wzhouyamath
Lipec
spiritlynn
UNSWkid
Moony
Kayz
ZOMGDURRRR.758
TALkori
Hfly
TASanchez
fanton
Nathan Yang
DMK (#986)
Guy.519
Yuxing Ma
Erasmus.733
NadaPure.142
Ckoala.554
Rockx.473
Silenus.332
Wolver.977
Thesquid.679
Dice.427
Prototype.445

deL · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 3:33 PM

My character code is TAdeL.159

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 3:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAdeL

My character code is TAdeL.159

updated

here are the 8 seeded people (e.g. will be put in different groups for the group stage), this was based purely off current SEA GM rankings

FXOMoonGlade GM #1
nGenLight.786 GM #2
Ngenmafia GM #4 (and GM #26 :P)
TAdeth.279 GM #5
Tarossi.617 GM #7
aLtPiG GM #12
altIaguz GM #15
iCHORNinja GM #51

Im Still Working on the 8 for 2nd Division (somewhat harder to do :|)

ToRDjvillian · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 4:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

Im Still Working on the 8 for 2nd Division (somewhat harder to do :|)

You could seed me out of gold and into silver

I'm not really keen on driving up to get hammered in gold.

deL · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

Im Still Working on the 8 for 2nd Division (somewhat harder to do :|)

Can't you just do ladder rank again? www.sc2ranks.com

Benji · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAdeL

Can't you just do ladder rank again? www.sc2ranks.com

That might be the intention, however its easier to sort out the first bracket due to there being few high GM's, whereas sorting through various Diamond ranks for the Silver division will take more time

AvPoker · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 5:30 PM

My char code is pokerface.195 if you didnt know

TAScarecrow · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 5:32 PM

Kayz GM#44 and TALkori GM#77 will probably be the top two silver seeds

oh and Ninja should be the 8th seed, he's been #51 GM since the 23rd. I was bored so ordered the gold qualifier list by SEA rank.

FXOMoonGlade GM#1
nGenLight.786 GM#2
nGenmafia GM#4
TAdeth GM#5
TArossi #7
aLtPiG GM#12
aLtIaguz GM#15
iCHORNinja GM#51
pokerface GM#79
Tom GM#90
TAScarecrow GM#140
Myuu GM#166
TAriiChard GM#171
Sanctify GM#180
LAGwakinlife GM#183
Eldrid Masters
SupArmani Masters
TAdippa Masters
CruxMyth Masters
Evernext Masters
Danmate Masters
Aktemujin Masters
Tekpike Masters
nGenbenji Masters
TADel Diamond
lunatik Plat
inconsitent Plat
CoRRuPTioN Plat
Sampson Plat
ToRDjvillian Plat
Jin Gold

deL · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

That might be the intention, however its easier to sort out the first bracket due to there being few high GM's, whereas sorting through various Diamond ranks for the Silver division will take more time

No more than talking all day on sc2sea chat as Chris does ;D

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 5:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Kayz GM#44 and TALkori GM#77 will probably be the top two silver seeds

oh and Ninja should be the 8th seed, he's been #51 GM since the 23rd. I was bored so ordered the gold qualifier list by SEA rank.

Thanks Scarecrow

Yeah Kayz, TAlkori and i think Sanchez? pretty sure theres a masters in there too, are all ones ive gotten as Benji said theres like 12 diamonds and Ive gotta figure out who is higher im going to wait for season 3 to start and just use the finalised season 2 (the diamonds might move to higher diamond ranks within the next 24 hours :P

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djvillian

You could seed me out of gold and into silver

I'm not really keen on driving up to get hammered in gold.

Ill talk about it with the team, our major concern is if we let 1 person, then it makes it harder to tell others no,

if a spot opens up in the 2nd Div it could be a possibility

TAScarecrow · Mon, 25th-Jul-2011, 10:30 PM

Will the format remain the same? 75% of people going in for only 3 games won't be much fun, maybe either have bo3 group stages or bo1 with top 2 advancing to a ro16?

ToRDjvillian · Tue, 26th-Jul-2011, 6:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Will the format remain the same? 75% of people going in for only 3 games won't be much fun, maybe either have bo3 group stages or bo1 with top 2 advancing to a ro16?

I like this idea. Would make the drive more worth while.

DMK · Tue, 26th-Jul-2011, 7:19 AM

There are GMs in silver

Oh dear. Jin is Diamond not gold (I don't know what sc2ranks says but he was in my group on Sun and I saw).

deL · Tue, 26th-Jul-2011, 7:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Will the format remain the same? 75% of people going in for only 3 games won't be much fun, maybe either have bo3 group stages or bo1 with top 2 advancing to a ro16?

Agree with this, it's not like we will be super pressed for time with the format as it is.

Benji · Tue, 26th-Jul-2011, 10:29 PM

Agreed, either Bo3 for group stage or 2 people progressing, Bo1 with 1 person advancing is too random. The only loss would be the tournament going super overtime, with b01 and only 8 players in a final double elim bracket, the tournament will be over by lunchtime, hardly what some of us want from a tournament.

**|Erasmus|** · Wed, 27th-Jul-2011, 6:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

Agreed, either Bo3 for group stage or 2 people progressing, Bo1 with 1 person advancing is too random. The only loss would be the tournament going super overtime, with b01 and only 8 players in a final double elim bracket, the tournament will be over by lunchtime, hardly what some of us want from a tournament.

Have to agree the current format kinda sucks for 75% of attendees who get to show up for 3 Bo1s.

ToRDjvillian · Wed, 27th-Jul-2011, 7:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

Ill talk about it with the team, our major concern is if we let 1 person, then it makes it harder to tell others no,

if a spot opens up in the 2nd Div it could be a possibility

Well I think I have a good reason to. I got a free pass into gold because my only opponent had played for 2 weeks only.
I'm sure you could tell others no because they had a fair qualifier where I didn't get the oppurtunity. I was actually expecting to not make any finals when I came up.

**ToR.Arnor** · Wed, 27th-Jul-2011, 8:08 AM

Hey guys thanks for your feedback, im the not project leader on this one so it isnt my call to make, but ill make sure Dave knows your concerns @Dj same situation really but ill pass it on the Dave, he's off today so hopefully by thursday he'll come to a decision :|

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 28th-Jul-2011, 10:43 AM

Ok Division 2 seeds are up

LAGberimbau M #957
fishbones diamond #660
spiritlynn M #1,014
Kayz GM
TALkori GM
Hfly M
TASanchez GM
Prototype.445 diamond #328

Also regarding peoples concerns with the format and requesting a change ive created a poll please vote if you are participating in this event

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=1927

DMK · Thu, 28th-Jul-2011, 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

Ok Division 2 seeds are up

LAGberimbau M #957
fishbones diamond #660
spiritlynn M #1,014
Kayz GM
TALkori GM
Hfly M
TASanchez GM
Prototype.445 diamond #328

Also regarding peoples concerns with the format and requesting a change ive created a poll please vote if you are participating in this event

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=1927

Haha I am going to get pwned so hard. At least it is a Bo3 now

**ToR.Arnor** · Thu, 28th-Jul-2011, 3:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

Haha I am going to get pwned so hard. At least it is a Bo3 now

Thats the spirit and even if you do get kicked out you can hang around, watch the finals, play a few custom games with the other guys that got kicked etc

itll be a good day

TAriiChard · Thu, 28th-Jul-2011, 4:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@CityHunter

Thats the spirit and even if you do get kicked out you can hang around, watch the finals, play a few custom games with the other guys that got kicked etc

itll be a good day

We'll go find a bar somewhere =)