[fray`Alpha]

Originally Posted by Av.ToRSpartaz

I still am with this idea, it is cool, because it is more engaging from a viewer perspective, I know from watching Clan Wars and such that are outside of ToR, that the series coming from GSTL all kill can really set the tone for spectators.

I (and the M/GM of mGG) also agree that GSTL all kill style is a much better/funner experience both for the gamers and the viewers. Also just as importantly I think its much better and a sense of team, you achieve together you fail together. as opposed to the 4 bo3's which feel very independent, not much team interaction going there, no strategy in which player to put in when.

Just my thoughts.

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	Zealo:	100% agree
	Thrasher:	+1

[VB_WhiplashJC]

A major loss should be more points than a walkover.

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by ToRSchnitzel

SEACL = Proleague, SEACC = GSTL AK

This is my opinion too

Although it isnt confirm, we're looking at running SEACC #2 a couple months after the release of HotS!

Originally Posted by FSBenAD

And I assume we are still going with tier 4 and 5 being GSTL like in the opening post of http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=6692?

yeah I should amend the rules specifying which Tiers that refers to T_T

[VB_WhiplashJC]

How would one apply for special consideration to sign up with a masters player in T4?

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

How would one apply for special consideration to sign up with a masters player in T4?

give us a reason why they should be included\

e.g. only made masters 2 weeks ago, masters but has been inactive for 3 months, etc etc

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Well, this is what I've got for our roster at the moment:

VBBoony.760
VBRandomness.557
Everion.975
VBRhuubarb (unranked, previously diamond, will get ranked in the new season)
VBWhiplashJC.584 (M)
VBInter.173
VBbayak.667
BLNFheathen.198

It's a fairly small team and knowing people's availability I think without Boony we'd struggle to put together a team some nights - and even then the gold guys would probably be getting pretty regular games.

Boony was in masters a season ago but demoted, he's been back up for about three weeks.

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

Well, this is what I've got for our roster at the moment:

VBBoony.760
VBRandomness.557
Everion.975
VBRhuubarb (unranked, previously diamond, will get ranked in the new season)
VBWhiplashJC.584 (M)
VBInter.173
VBbayak.667
BLNFheathen.198

It's a fairly small team and knowing people's availability I think without Boony we'd struggle to put together a team some nights - and even then the gold guys would probably be getting pretty regular games.

Boony was in masters a season ago but demoted, he's been back up for about three weeks.

I cant promise anything (id need to consult Tier 4 Admins too) but based on that information I see that being acceptable

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VB_WhiplashJC:

Cheers Arnor.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

12.Tier 5 will be restricted to BSG players at sign ups, Players promoted to platinum are allowed to continue playing

Just want to add to this ruling with some context that is worrying people about running out of players.
Last season of Tier 5 had many many promotions.. but only a few into diamond and only about 2-3 players made it from Gold to Diamond in the season. So if it is BSG sign up then I doubt there will be any problems with teams running out of players because they all got promoted to Diamond.

Proposal for scheduling of games
Allow team managers to schedule their own games - knowing the match ups weeks in advance and putting the task of scheduling to the managers (Admins available on set play date - that will act as a default if teams can not come to an agreement on play time) but matches to be scheduled by managers then confirmed with Admins. Allowing flexibility for all teams and players to find a time that suits. We are mostly in a very similar time zone - so finding a good schedule should be easy for most.
Thoughts?

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

Proposal for scheduling of games
Allow team managers to schedule their own games - knowing the match ups weeks in advance and putting the task of scheduling to the managers (Admins available on set play date - that will act as a default if teams can not come to an agreement on play time) but matches to be scheduled by managers then confirmed with Admins. Allowing flexibility for all teams and players to find a time that suits. We are mostly in a very similar time zone - so finding a good schedule should be easy for most.
Thoughts?

It is HUGELY easier to just know it's on a particular set time each week so people can clear an hour or two for that, than to have it a different time each week. And just the time delay when each manager gets a proposed time from their opponent and needs to go find out if they can indeed field enough players at that time really draws these things out so much that a week can easily go by without getting anything sorted.

Just set a time and day, and save reschedules for actual unforeseen circumstances (imo give each team a set number of reschedules so they can't abuse it) and just make life easy for the players/admins who then don't have to worry about not knowing when their next match may be.

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

It is HUGELY easier to just know it's on a particular set time each week so people can clear an hour or two for that, than to have it a different time each week. And just the time delay when each manager gets a proposed time from their opponent and needs to go find out if they can indeed field enough players at that time really draws these things out so much that a week can easily go by without getting anything sorted.

Just set a time and day, and save reschedules for actual unforeseen circumstances (imo give each team a set number of reschedules so they can't abuse it) and just make life easy for the players/admins who then don't have to worry about not knowing when their next match may be.

with chadman's proposal teams would have the option of saying 'no we are not rescheduling at all we play at the default time every week'...

i see no benefits to denying teams the option of rescheduling if both agree.

only hole in chad's system i see is a clear resolution if the default day passes and then the teams struggle to agree

[ProAnnn]

I disagree that the GSTL style is better for the gamers. A GSTL style only encourages a team to have ONE strong player to win an entire clan war, while the proleague style rewards team for having 4 good players. There is much more strategy in putting players in specific maps, sniping potential opponents.

[ToR.Arnor]

Hey Guys

As Mentioned previously

SEACL is Pro League format SEACC is GSTL All-Kill

SEACC#2 will occur, however it will be scheduled after the release of HotS

Please move forward in the dicussion to Chadmann's proposal for scheduling games

I will also take input on the Map Pool for the league

Cheers

[FvRGwaiLo]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

Hey Guys

As Mentioned previously

SEACL is Pro League format SEACC is GSTL All-Kill

SEACC#2 will occur, however it will be scheduled after the release of HotS

Please move forward in the dicussion to Chadmann's proposal for scheduling games

I will also take input on the Map Pool for the league

Cheers

So managers get a map list and pick players? Thats great looking forward to it ^^

Quick Comments

syfChadMann:

Yep.. they'd have to submit the players and the match ups would be posted.

[ToR.Arnor]

Hey Guys

Thoughts on this Map Pool

GSL Abyssal City • GSL Antiga Shipyard • GSL Bel'Shir Vestige • GSL Cloud Kingdom • GSL Daybreak • GSL Entombed Valley • GSL Whirlwind

This is the current map pool for GSL Season 1 2013

Thoughts please as Id like to lock this up early next week

Thanks

[asdfSchnitzel]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

Hey Guys

Thoughts on this Map Pool

GSL Abyssal City • GSL Antiga Shipyard • GSL Bel'Shir Vestige • GSL Cloud Kingdom • GSL Daybreak • GSL Entombed Valley • GSL Whirlwind

This is the current map pool for GSL Season 1 2013

Thoughts please as Id like to lock this up early next week

Thanks

I think it's a really good map pool, but maybe +Ohana and -Bel'Shir Vestige?

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	ToR.Arnor:	Thanks!
	NvRossi:	agree with this guy

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by ToRSchnitzel

I think it's a really good map pool, but maybe +Ohana and -Bel'Shir Vestige?

ohana isn't in gsl for a reason t.t

edit. i actually think at this point i'd rather play ohana then a new map like belshir vestige, also wouldn't mind seeing metro in.

[FSBenAD]

Do we even have Bel'Shir Vestige on SEA. I tried searching arcade and custom games for it without luck.

[TidaL]

Take out Antiga and put in Metropolis

Maybe even try the new ladder maps, i personally like Akilon Flats

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syfSoundwave:

NO! NO! NO! NO!

[FaDePressureTest]

just a note, none of the GSL maps are actually on the SEA server are they? I know last time I checked they weren't.

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Zealo:

some are, some aren't

[ToR.Arnor]

Hey Guys

and heres the decision on Scheduling

Tier 1 and Tier 2 will be flexible Teams will have 1 week to play their games (12am Monday - 11:59pm Sunday)

Tier 3's Default Time is Wednesday 5pm SGT, 8pm AEDT, 10pm NZT, Teams are allowed to reschedule once however (Game must be played before the next match day, Reschedules must be organized a minimum of 2 hours before match day)

Tier 4's Default Time is Tuesday 5pm SGT, 8pm AEDT, 10pm NZT, Teams are allowed to reschedule once however (Game must be played before the next match day, Reschedules must be organized a minimum of 2 hours before match day)

Tier 5's Default Time is Thursday 5pm SGT, 8pm AEDT, 10pm NZT, Teams are allowed to reschedule once however (Game must be played before the next match day, Reschedules must be organized a minimum of 2 hours before match day)

A decision on Maps will be made on the next day or two