[syfChadMann]

My issue is Win Trading, sniping and hacking.

If these issues are monitored and addressed - then this should be alot of fun
gogo TA..

[mGGNemesis]

"Unable to vanquish Merlin, Mab mocks him and tells him that he and his human followers can't destroy her, but Merlin knows that there are few people that believe in the Old Ways. He turns his back on her telling her that everyone will forget her, and in forgetting, she will no longer exist. Everyone leaves, ignoring Mab's furious calls, and soon, she fades away into nothing, just the way she had feared from the beginning." - Merlin (1998)

Quick Comments

	SLCN.Wally:	im so confused, 100% sure that titan wrote this
	mGGDrGooSe:	yeah he posted it in skype chat for us as well

[Seffy]

I don't intend to sound so mean or whatever and this will probably be TL;DR but..

Seriously, being negative won't get any of us anywhere. I'm not a M or GM (let alone a P/D), but I know that I won't be able to even have a chance of getting higher than Gold at all if I'm being negative and letting myself down. I may never be able to reach a masters level, but I won't beat myself up over it and will keep playing and doing my best, no matter what happens.

This tournament that Zeratul and Titan are hosting has an aim to throw all the negative away from this community, get people to play more and to get this community even closer together. If we, as a community work together, we can cast away those that ruin it.

He who's name shall not be mentioned is only one person. Letting ONE person dispirit you will have an effect on the others, it chains on. And that's what that one person will want to happen because well let's face it, he'd ruin the community single-handedly. Personally, I don't want that to happen and I'm sure you all would not want that to happen.

So yeah, stay positive. Don't let one person ruin your career in this game that you have gone so far into. You've done all this hard work, keep going. Don't stop. The only way you can go is UP. And finally, don't let the community down. We love seeing games on stream, we love seeing the pros play their best against each other, giving us such great entertainment and inspire us into getting better and better! We thank you for that. And we wish you guys will keep getting better and better because of all the effort you put through!

But everyone here would be upset if people are dispirited because of this... abomination that's come up in our dear SEA server. He's just one person, we're a freaking army, we got this!

If there is a way that we can get closer together as a community, this tournament is definitely taking the right step in my opinion. Huge props to Zeratul and Titan for making the effort and taking up the challenge to achieve this and I wish them the best in their endeavour.

[Flamga]

No he really is that bad, I have ahd him post personal details to my SC2 account whilst ingame, harassing my family members and girlfriend. So yea its pretty bad

[SLCN.Wally]

Originally Posted by FlashFlamga

No he really is that bad, I have ahd him post personal details to my SC2 account whilst ingame, harassing my family members and girlfriend. So yea its pretty bad

The fact that this can happen, and he is still not banned. Utterly confuses me

[ProAnnn]

Forget to mention another reason. I get at least 5 minutes queue time before i get a game. This means i play at least 2-3 lesser games compared to other servers

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:	thats the point of this...
	Fairyking:	^

[FaMe]

Really neat idea, guys. BoL

[mGGDrGooSe]

re: whiteluxury, at the very least we can get that account banned. I know it hasnt happened yet, but maybe thats because we are being too nice? I say everyone needs to start emailing Blizz ANZ, with links to the evidence, and keep doing so until they respond satisfactorily. And flamga, real life threats are treated under special cyber bullying laws, get that shit to the police and to Blizz ASAP. I guarentee once the cops become involved, the shit will hit the fan. And if it doesn't, get onto a current affair. Those vipers will latch on to any signs of controversy. We've been pretty lenient on whiteluxury up to now. There is no sense whingeing and complaining about someone who is damaging our community. Pull out the friggin pitch forks and get this bitch taken care of. And when he comes back with another name, we'll take care of him again, and again and again, until the bastard realises that when we go to war, we aint messing around.
This is OUR server, not his. It's about time the little girl learnt what it is to play with big boys.

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EaY3Kk5qGM
	Seffy:	That link is perfect.
	Malice:	A current affair creates more drama than reddit
	syfSoundwave:	lmfao Zeratul
	TADivinity:	If it went to Current Affair it would make esports look like "Just kids playing video games".

[Stallion]

having read the op whats with the 3 gms or no points? some people don't ladder sea so kinda doesn't make sense to me

[mGGPrometheus]

Originally Posted by xGKingStallion

having read the op whats with the 3 gms or no points? some people don't ladder sea so kinda doesn't make sense to me

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by mGGTitan

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

get rid of whiteluxary/onsDotaking and whatever his other ids are and it might be worth playing a few games a week to keep gm, atm though its kinda pointless especially with hots coming up SEA isn't worth the time for when someone plays, also the top players don't really want to vs each other 2 million times as they want to hide their builds from each other

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	That's your opinion.
	ROOTPetraeus:	and hes allowed to have it.. don't get mad because this might have faults.
	ROCCAT_Savior:	Bar the hots part, thats the opinion of every high level sea player....
	nirvAnA:	silly post stally!

[FSBenAD]

Originally Posted by mGGTitan

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

I understand the point above, but for a clan like mine which is still young in the scheme of things and has grown all its GM from lower levels, 3 GMs is a bit requirement to take part... I definitey dont want an advantage from having only one player in GM, but I'd want that to count for something...

We have been discussing this in the slugs and it did get people keen to ladder, but considering we are not a top heavy team, they are already worried we wont even be able to take part. I dont mind that we are disadvantaged because we have less GM players, I just hope we can take part

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	Amount of players doesn't disadvantage because we do it by the clan average.
	Asrathiel:	Zera, have a look at FS latest update. Think they only have 2 GMs total at the moment

[mGGPrometheus]

If top players don't think it's worth their time that's totally fine. I know a lot of the clans are pretty active on the SEA ladder. We initially thought of this as being a clan-only thing and I think clan-level players would probably benefit the most from it. Of course we'd love it if any teams wanted to participate.

[Baldie]

Person buys SC2 from SEA -> Ladders and goes through leagues -> Reaches Masters and works towards making GM to gain access to said monthly challenges -> Continues to use said challenges as a structure to keep improving while gaining benefits in the process -> Gets to point where the incentive to play locally does not outweigh the inevitable skill benefits in practicing in a more senior community -> ladders elsewhere.

Process repeats.

I am open to anything, however I do have a concern around the well known SEA people coming back to play. A few might but simply put the opportunity cost lost in playing these challenges for a chance at some money vs playing in a higher skill region to improve overall is likely not worth it. Players would rather spend time practicing in a higher skill market to gain access to better tournaments and better money than practice in an area where they have a chance at winning a little bit of money but don't improve a lot (like anything once you are at the highest peak skill wise of an area you won't improve at nearly the same rate as you would if you increased the skill cap - aka look into other regions)

This system however I do feel has a lot of potential as a "grass-roots" system promoting play throughout the leagues while people improve to a level where they can make their mark in other regions.

I have no doubt it would make a difference - how much time will tell but regardless of outcome it is great to see people looking at ways to improve and shift a culture than being resigned to the way it is.

Quick Comments

mGGNemesis:

:)

[Zealo]

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

[syntox]

Originally Posted by Zealo

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

Doesn't that go against the purpose of this league? They're trying to get as many people to ladder on SEA as possible, not just 3 top players from each clan
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[mGGDrGooSe]

Originally Posted by Zealo

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

Maybe we can just have two scores then, an overall average and a top 3 average?

Edit: actually thinking about it, that would only encourage the top 3 people to play, not the whole clan, therefore defeats the purpose.

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

actually thinking about it, that would only encourage the top 3 people to play, not the whole clan, therefore defeats the purpose.

when we do club vs club fishing competitions we use this system (they actually make the club score average of top x, where x is number of people in the club with least people participating, same principle). it gives the club with more participants an advantage (anyone who has a bad day/unlucky day doesn't have their score used) but not an 'unfair' advantage.

i suggest it because under 'average of all GMs', anyone who is not the highest ranked player in their clan (or at least above the clan average) is actually dragging the clan score down, and would best serve their clan in this competition by dropping out of GM (or not participating if it's fishing).

average of top 3 (i pick that as a sort of 'minimum', make it 5 or 10 same principle), or someone like light or tgun could declare themselves a clan for this comp and win top 'clan' by themselves), they don't drag their clan down by laddering. maybe one week (or more) they break into the top 3 of their clan, maybe they don't. but the clan benefits more from them trying than it does from them dropping out of GM.

obviuosly up to you if you're running it. just a suggestion.

Quick Comments

Asrathiel:

I like that idea :)

[nirvAnA]

I love the initiative behind this and the idea is really clever! Banner looks sick too.

You forgot to add in the OP the achievement thing from SC2SEA for all the members in the roster of the winning clan!

[nirvAnA]

Probably needs some tweaking, the problem I see is 1-2 top players from each clan can just play and maintain a high score for the clan every week and win. Should add a bonus or something for each active player in the clan that will encourage more clan mates to ladder. IDK will be tricky to fix a good balance.