[nirvAnA]

I am quite an idealist, always believing people can change for the better and was really reluctant to ever ban someone from the forums. This morning however, i sadly had to make my first ban after giving the said person repeated warnings.

The site gets a good deal of hits nowadays and as our community grows if it isn't moderated to a acceptable standard and admin warnings aren't respected:

1) New visitors will be turned off thinking this site isnt well moderated therefore not well run.
2) Sponsors (i am in talks with two at the moment) want a positive professional environment to be associated with so we have to maintain a certain standard and if the talks go through you can look forward to some well sponsored tournaments coming soon.

We need a transparent and fair set of rules, to make it easier for moderators (Mezza, Jazcie, skybreaker, sheepy, kelly, Torniquet, phoenix) to maintain an acceptable standard on the fourms.

UPDATE:
Infractions have been too lenient and now there is an updated system in place to deal with alot of the unconstructive QQing, silly new threads and return of the trolls.


What does it all mean?

Warnings: These are exactly what they are called as they dont give you any infraction points but warn you that you have made a infraction and will receive points only if you make the same mistake again. So dont feel too bad but please dont make the same mistake.

Infractions: Basically any of the offenses gives you points depending on its seriousness. Infractions points expire after 30 days after they are given and you will have a clean slate after that.

Auto-Ban: If you reach a certain number of infraction points before they clear, you will be temp banned for a certain time period.

5 Infraction points = 3 day site ban which will automatically be lifted after that period
7 Infraction points = 7 day site ban which will automatically be lifted after that period

If you commit a very big offense, you will be permernantly banned from the site, and if you still persist and make new accounts with similar behaviours, you will be IP banned and unable to even view the site.

Keeping the streets of sc2sea clean.

-the sc2sea mod team

Old Infraction System

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Basically how this works is you are given infractions (warnings + points) for breaking these rules and your post is deleted/edited.

In the past i just used to delete/edit the posts without giving infractions, and instead PMing members individually to behave themselves, hoping they could change for the best. Silly me.

So making a thread titled "IMBA STUPID GAME" instead of "PvT Blue Flame harrass help" gives u 1 infraction point which expires after 10 days.

8 points added up gives you a 3 day site ban.
12 points added up gives you a 7 day site ban.
Points expire 30 days after they are given

Users with a long history of infraction points will be looked at and banned.

Additionally, at anytime moderators can dish out 3day / 7 day temp bans and permanent site bans.

I feel these rules are quite lenient. Maybe i should also make a "flaming kelly unconstructively" infraction.
Based on feedback and how this turns out, i might make adjustments to improve the system.

Chatbox Issue

Finally, i have been given alot of feedback and also myself noticed that chatbox has become a troll fest over the last 1-2 months. As a result i actually made it smaller for a day or 2 and if things continue at this rate i might remove the chatbox entirely. However, i changed it back because i felt the chat box was one of the distinctive features of the site and it used to be a fun place to hang out.

In the past i would just leave my browswer on the whole day at work and every once in a while pop back in to see what was going in, chatting frequently with regulars like phoenix/mezza/jaczie/torniquet/tze,potthead,zeion,glade,xeen who now all seem to avoid using it.

I want to bring this warm feeling of using the chatbox back to people who have told me how much they used to enjoy it and so after reviewing the chatbox logs i have personally pmed some individuals and if they continue to troll, they will be banned from the chatbox, as simple that.

BSG Smurfing Issue

We want to make the BSGs an enjoyable experience for lower league players who can still have fun playing in a competitive tournament.
However, every now and then some sad douche who can't win tournaments at his own level (be it the GPD or CO) derives fun in smurfing in the BSG and taking easy wins at the expense of BSG players. We want to encourage BSG players to become better and more competitive but this ruins the fun so we will be very strict from this moment on.

From this point foward the following behaviour will result in an instant irreversible permenant site ban:
1) Registration with multiple accounts for the same tourney.
All accounts get perm banned, and your characterid.code will be blacklisted.

2) Anyone above BSG level of play caught smurfing, with a skill standard clearly above a BSG players level.
This includes using a friends account or having a higher then BSG level on NA and playing on SEA with your BSG account.

The end.

Laying down the law and making sc2sea a better place one step at a time!

love,
Nirvana

Quick Comments

Frogmite:

not an easy task to do

[inFeZa]

When you said

i have personally pmed some individuals and if they continue to troll, they will be banned from the chatbox, as simple that.

I actually scrolled up to check my PM's
LOL

I love the chatbox, and i hope it doesn't go anywhere, it just needs some improvement!

[ZanooKu]

Is there a leaderboard for said offenders? I think I could make top 200 of it so far. :<

[cure]

Add perma ban for smurfers !

[JacziE]

Finally. Now to bring out my banhammer.

[PiG]

Good job Bryan keep up the good work trolling is a tad too popular these days :P

[deL]

I think I need a change of underwear.

EDIT: please don't make a 'leaderboard' like that unpleasant fellow suggested, it would just give these digusting trolls, whom I despise, something to achieve.

[ZanooKu]

Originally Posted by deL

I think I need a change of underwear.

EDIT: please don't make a 'leaderboard' like that unpleasant fellow suggested, it would just give these digusting trolls, whom I despise, something to achieve.

May I purchase you a sarcasm detector? You are in urgent need of one.

[deL]

Originally Posted by ZanooKu

May I purchase you a sarcasm detector? You are in urgent need of one.

Such a device does not exist.

[AZKwitchdoc]

Originally Posted by ZanooKu

May I purchase you a sarcasm detector? You are in urgent need of one.

Good Job Zanooku! Way to go! )

[Aean(:]

nice (: always needed this feature. if this site is growing, should implement other categories (like not sc2 related), so it feels more like a community website.

[ToRSpartaz]

Bahaha xD Guranteed that Tom should be on that list and possibly me :O in top 200 xD

[SayfT]

Thats all well and dandy but as human beings we all tend to be biased and "corrupt", do you have any methods or guidelines in which you moderate the moderators? i.e. making sure that if they do ban/warn a person it is actually for the correct reason and not because they do not agree with said person?

Just wondering.

EDIT: Also is there a way for us to see how many points we are on? individually that is so that no one can see if I have any points or what not, just so that i/whoever will know when to stfu and start posting better or what not.

[Mezza]

I'm in full support of nirvana's decisions. Honestly it took quite awhile and quite alot of stuff from him to bring about such changes because he's seriously quite tolerant, just so you guys know.

And here's something obviously obvious that some people obviously need reminding. If, by your own yardstick, and at some corner of your mind, you have SOME inkling that what you're saying/posting even remotely sounds wrong/discourteous/unacceptable, it probably is.

If you have no idea, then let the infraction/ban system guide you. But once it starts, you'd better learn fast.

And on a similar note. Do check out this site for laughs.
www.darwinawards.com

p.s. Hey, mods have a sense of humour too, in fact most of them have quite abit of it.

[EveJeonSa]

Good system, so much trolling recently

[Paroxysm]

This system sounds good, however I think one thing could possibly be adjusted. Above it claims that a thread made in the wrong forum will net someone a ban. Personally ( I don't know about others), I see this as being a possible deterrent to people when they post. It could be seen as a punishment for what could be a mistake or accident. Will users be able to see the infractions/reasons for infractions on their account page?

On another note, I am unsure about whether or not the 'instant temp bans' are given out because of an accumulation of points or whether they are given out for something else and then the points are added on to what the user already has. Clarification on this would be great, however the idea of the infraction system is quite good and will help to lessen the amount of trolls/keyboard heroes that destroy the site.

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by TAParoxysm

This system sounds good, however I think one thing could possibly be adjusted. Above it claims that a thread made in the wrong forum will net someone a ban. Personally ( I don't know about others), I see this as being a possible deterrent to people.

ure reading it wrong. if he makes a wrong post he will be given 1 point infraction (very lenient) and this 1 point expires in 10 days so it goes back to 0. but if in that 10 days he accumulates a total of 8 points he gets 3 day TEMP ban, 12 points 7 day TEMP ban. yea i believe users can see their infraction points (at least i can see the points they are sitting on) but if they cant they can always check their PMs which they get automatically sent when they receive an infraction and tally up their points.

its actaully pretty hard to get perm banned but i might make the rules stricter depending on how things to.

[NvPinder]

how many points does an admin editing a forum goers opinion rack up for said admin?

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by JPMoney

how many points does an admin editing a forum goers opinion rack up for said admin?

just alot of praise

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by JPMoney

how many points does an admin editing a forum goers opinion rack up for said admin?

well im the only one who was doing that, and it was basically just to you/del changing negative stuff to positive stuff like "sg accents sux" etc into "i love singapore" etc. for everyone else i have only removed expletives from their posts.

yea but im still undecided if i should just simply delete the post or continue editing it this way, because in the past if i deleted it del would just repost the same thing and you guys are my friends too so its alot funnier this way ^^

[x5_Potter]

No more qq for Aean, no more trolling for DRFT and Tom, no more emphasis swearing for me. Tasteless Sexual References gone, no more calling Tastosis gay? D:

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by Potthead

No more qq for Aean, no more trolling for DRFT and Tom, no more emphasis swearing for me. Tasteless Sexual References gone, no more calling Tastosis gay? D:

haha the last one was cute. but yea u got it spot on, DRFT and Tom were the only 2 people i warned for chatbox trolling. Thought Zan would pop up somewhere but his recent activity in the chatbox seemed clean, scrolled through quite a few pages

Aean comes close tho and so does anyone who posts a sentence which could fit into one line perfectly fine over mutiple lines like this -

today
i saw
huk
play
in
gsl

[Aean(:]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

haha the last one was cute. but yea u got it spot on, DRFT and Tom were the only 2 people i warned for chatbox trolling. Thought Zan would pop up somewhere but his recent activity in the chatbox seemed clean, scrolled through quite a few pages

Aean comes close tho and so does anyone who posts a sentence which could fit into one line perfectly fine over mutiple lines like this -

today
i saw
huk
play
in
gsl

lolwut i never type like that -_-

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by ZanooKu

Hey man, 1v1.

NirvAnA said no useless one-liners that require little effort, bring down the banhammer!

[x5_Potter]

nirv, become corrupt and change their bm posts to stuff about kittens, then give them infraction points for irrelevant posts >=D In other news, anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant.

[Torniquet]

Editing so people accept challenges should be promoted not recieve a ban for it.

[cure]

Zan became quiet after bnet forums smacked him with the banhammer.

[x5_Potter]

I thought I annoyed people with how I speak, but when I'm excited if I posted all I wanted to say, it'd be a paragraph and clog up the chat box and no one would want to read :P

[Paroxysm]

In that case Nirvana, is it necessary that all of the players points disappear across the 10 days. I personally think that it would be beneficial to the site if only a fraction of the points disappeared every 10 days?

[Usul]

Great decision nirvAnA.
Let's hope the protrolls will be wise enough to turn to the SMACKTALK thread. mezza is right, some of them are pretty funny and it would be sad to loose them.
As for the BSG smurfs... I'm looking forward to not having those endless discussions about them now that we have strict rules. More time to focus on the advices given by Benji and HD!


ps: just noticed a new PM, and I can't reply because the user was banned. I'll miss him... so sad... *evil grin*

[TAcawkballs]

Do you get points for being a win trader?

[ToRDeathsFang]

For some reason i find the fact that nirvAnA is doing this decisively intimidating. Im with deL,i need a new change of jocks.

Whenever i go into chatbox or stream chat or whatever and DRFT or UncleTroll is in there, i always find myself getting into a massive troll-war with them, which people like Kringe and Aean then join 0.0 If there are no trolls in the chatbox, i'll find myself actually not being dick-ish about things.

GOOD JOB, smack DRFT and UncleTroll on the rear-end with the banhammer of awesome justice!

[Torniquet]

Will also help if people use the Report Post button as long as you arent stupid with it.

[SkyBreaker]

Definitely something needed and welcomed Also, I agree with Torn, make use of the report post button as it's super-helpful to have it emailed to us directly!

[TAminimat]

Will past smurfers be banned? Because we've found two.

[dKiWi]

I think the 1-liner rule shouldn't be enforced too strongly imo. It will just make the forum more inactive. Only those really ridiculous 1-liners should be punished like "wud" or "+1" that kind of thing

[cure]

Originally Posted by dKiWi

I think the 1-liner rule shouldn't be enforced too strongly imo. It will just make the forum more inactive. Only those really ridiculous 1-liners should be punished like "wud" or "+1" that kind of thing

Agreed that this would cause the forums to be more inactive. Also, should add infraction points for people that bump really really old threads for no apparent reason.

EDIT: And points for people who double post, they need to know how to use the EDIT button

[nirvAnA]

yeap good point kiwi.

im refering to those silly one liners where pple post stuff out of topic or with no content.

one liners asking questions or with some value be it good suggestions or humor are totally acceptable for e.g minimats one line above is totally fine

the smurfers are banned from the BSG already and if they are caught again they will be banned from the site

[mustapusta]

10 days is too lenient. it would actually have an effect it the infract points lasted a month~3months.

[Xeen]

Seems a lot more complex then just, yknow, banning people outright.

[noobinater]

Honestly, I think the system is too lenient but hopefully the SC2 community can be better behaved than others I've seen.

[thedirtydub]

maybe people should just practice some common self and courtesy. 1 negative action does and will affect the masses. while 1 positive action will only stimulate thought, rather than create more positive action.

a person can easily destroy anything in a matter of minutes, but to fix it, it can take a lifetime. This goes with anything and everything, whether it is a relationship, your financial situation, weight loss, whatever.

bottom line...don't let some donkey change who YOU are. you've worked hard to be a nice person. help them be more like you. as most of you get older, you will be forced to choose to sacrifice your morals and beliefs to accommodate business and the needs of society, slowly, and little by little. people always ask me why things are they way they are in the world (with concerns to poverty/violence, etc), and i just tell them, they're the way they are because YOU allow them to be. know who you want to be and don't let anyone change that.

[HDPhoenix]

*BOOM* STOP! (ban)HAMMER TIME!

/dance

"Its about time"

[nirvAnA]

Infractions have been too lenient and now there is an updated system in place to deal with alot of the unconstructive QQing, silly new threads and return of the trolls.


What does it all mean?

Warnings: These are exactly what they are called as they dont give you any infraction points but warn you that you have made a infraction and will receive points only if you make the same mistake again. So dont feel too bad but please dont make the same mistake.

Infractions: Basically any of the offenses gives you points depending on its seriousness. Infractions points expire after 30 days after they are given and you will have a clean slate after that.

Auto-Ban: If you reach a certain number of infraction points before they clear, you will be temp banned for a certain time period.

5 Infraction points = 3 day site ban which will automatically be lifted after that period
7 Infraction points = 7 day site ban which will automatically be lifted after that period

If you commit a very big offense, you will be permernantly banned from the site, and if you still persist and make new accounts with similar behaviours, you will be IP banned and unable to even view the site.

Keeping the streets of sc2sea clean.

-the sc2sea mod team

Quick Comments

HDPhoenix:

Nirvana, Keeping it real since 1999 ^^

[Imperial]

Can i get unbanned from the chatbox, i swear i wont tell people to eat flaming dildos covered in shit

[wolf]

"Absolute retards" love it haha.