[ToRSpartaz]

AWESOME !!! I really need to play some more ladders xD

[nirvAnA]

roz told me today when he power levels pple to masters he just 4 gates every game vs every race and does well.

haha the power of the 4 gate!

[Xeen]

4gate (or any standard rush from any race) is easily enough to get you to Masters with a decent winrate, because you're bashing diamonds/low masters on the way

[Mezza]

@Makra and future 4gaters

here's some resources on the difference between the 4gates,

sc2 liquipedia article on 4gate
sc2 liquipedia article on korean 4gate

there's also a day9 daily, #169 on 4gate styles.

You Tube

You Tube

and another day9 vod on huk vs tester where huk gets korean 4gated in the razer king of the beta tournament

You Tube

You Tube

that should at least be a starting point. happy 4gating

yeah all you terrans and zergs out there, i can feel the hate already. but hey, education is always good.

[Makra]

Bahaha, future 4gaters, I like it!

Thanks for that. I'll mostly just use it for team games

[PapaBigBelly]

I dont want to say that BLizzard should nerf protoss, but Blizzard should buff Zerg

Enough nerfing honestly, just make ZERG STRONGAARR

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by ArousalPerMinute

I dont want to say that BLizzard should nerf protoss, but Blizzard should buff Zerg

Enough nerfing honestly, just make ZERG STRONGAARR

Lol that is so imba xD Zerg are actually pretty effective against Protoss and same with Terran

[UncleTom]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Lol that is so imba xD Zerg are actually pretty effective against Protoss and same with Terran

Can you please no just make bland ignorant statements and give reasons why you think something is "imba" or overpowered. The general discussion doesn't get any where unless you structure your posts better with the correct information.

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by UncleTom

Can you please no just make bland ignorant statements and give reasons why you think something is "imba" or overpowered. The general discussion doesn't get any where unless you structure your posts better with the correct information.

Tom please shut up and quit Trolling I was just saying from the fact that dude wants Toss to be totally nerfed so imba xD

[cruxis]

Or carriers/mothership. I love those free win games.

[Crankenstein]

6gate off of 2 bases and do it all over again lolololol.

Seriously though... I saw a nice replay the other day where P transitioned from 4 gate into a Tyler-esque double forge build. I'll see if I can find it again.

[YJY]

Sure you can 4g, but the only reason why i have a high win ratio is because Irarely cheesed. Sure you can 4g, but at what opportunity cost? you trade your potential future skill for a few ladder points. All the players that use to 4 gate or cheese are shit now, i.e 90% of all protoss. Nice work in getting ladder points

[ToRSpartaz]

Thats a good point, I guess if you 4g too much you kinda just keep focused on 4gating im gunna try and go for mixed up builds.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by YJY

Sure you can 4g, but the only reason why i have a high win ratio is because Irarely cheesed. Sure you can 4g, but at what opportunity cost? you trade your potential future skill for a few ladder points. All the players that use to 4 gate or cheese are shit now, i.e 90% of all protoss. Nice work in getting ladder points

Whilst i'm a big fan of this line of thinking (especially in practice), you still literally need to throw in all-in builds as every race or else your opponent is way too safe to play greedy against you.

Good example would be as protoss if you're playing vs a protoss, by never 4 gating and only doing defensive builds like 3 gate robo, you leave your opponent open to do things 1 gate robo, which is has a huge advantage over 3 gate robo.

So basically, solid > cheesy > greedy > solid is the obvious rock paper scissors thing going on here.

Yoon obviously already knows this, but just throwing this out there that it is important, mainly vs someone you've already hit on the ladder a few times and played macro style previously or you're playing a bo3/5 against, you need to not allow your opponent to be too greedy if your preferred style is macro style, cos if they're even just close to your level, you'll lose.

[StitcH]

in PvP, I almost always get 10 gate zealot rush or 4 gate.

[BubbleT]

You also definitely need to know how to 4-gate in PvP since it still pretty much defines the matchup. It's worth spending some time learning to do it yourself.

[dennistoo]

sorry, the latest thread is 3G RUSH.. look at how MC > TSL

[ToRSpartaz]

3 stalker push is actually a pretty mean build in PvP was learning it yesterday