[DGWoLF]

hey all i have been experienceing a lack of sleep and as you will see this was posted around 3ish am and i am wondering what the sc2sea.com community might suggest i do.

so here is a list of things being caused from lack of sleep
1 falling asleep at school
2 not going to school
3 stress from not phsicalaly being able to do anything
4 a disbelief that i am sick of sorts
5 depression


all suggestions will be looked at
but please be serious if possible as this is a serious matter
thanks for any help given

From your Public Idiot WoLF

[x5_Bard]

go to bed at 9-10pm and just lay there until morning. Even if you dont feel like you are sleeping your still getting REM cycles which solves the above issues.

[Baldie]

Try going to bed 15-30 min earlier each night over a few weeks and your body should adjust. Just takes discipline

[Synizta]

Originally Posted by ToRBaldie

Try going to bed 15-30 min earlier each night over a few weeks and your body should adjust. Just takes discipline

Basiclly this, is what i'd suggest aswell.
Also i find sleeping problems occur if your sleeping patterns change drasticly (almost 3am for me, so spelling is worse then normal atm) it can make it harder to sleep.

[dippa]

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[Cyanide]

http://www.ted.com/talks/rives_on_4_a_m.html

On a more serious note, exercise would do you good, or keeping to a routine throughout the day.

[Flaunt]

it all comes down to motivation. trust me, i've been through all of what you listed. what interests you in life? what did you used to dream about growing up. what are your hobbies? you need to find something to make you want to wake up i nthe morning

[DGWoLF]

Originally Posted by Flaunt

it all comes down to motivation. trust me, i've been through all of what you listed. what interests you in life? what did you used to dream about growing up. what are your hobbies? you need to find something to make you want to wake up i nthe morning

1 making videos for youtube be it lets play casting sc2 or short films
2 um personal but dreaming was generaly stupid comic nightmares, but sometimes would be a mixture of games and reality, eg starship troopers brisbane (D um isk really cant remember that much
3hobbies gaming and soccer (only gaming now because of my ashma)
also does this help




thanks for the counter rep on Dippa i was angry at first but cant help to smile after listening

[DGWoLF]

ok well 1 i hop into bed around 10ish
this varies if i have lots of school work or not
2 i mainly just lay here not doing anything , i have tried listening to music , watching a movie reading a book. but i just seem to finish the movie and sometimes read the whole book.
3 i walk some distance to and from school (to the bus 10- 15 min walk)
does this info help ?

[FaDeHellfyre]

Originally Posted by DGWoLF

ok well 1 i hop into bed around 10ish
this varies if i have lots of school work or not
2 i mainly just lay here not doing anything , i have tried listening to music , watching a movie reading a book. but i just seem to finish the movie and sometimes read the whole book.
3 i walk some distance to and from school (to the bus 10- 15 min walk)
does this info help ?

I have the exact same problem mate, and my suggestion would be to do what Bard said. However i would also exercise more if at all possible, even if really tired. Try joining a 24 hour gym if you're old enough, that way when you can't sleep you can go get some exercise and hopefully reset your sleep pattern a little bit easier.

Secondly, about some of the problems you listed, i'll give you advice that i have personal experience with. Go talk to someone about it. A school/uni counsellor or just a doctor. If you're stressed in your life, you will avoid doing things you should and it becomes a spiral that you can't control. It was the best thing i ever did, and it seems like the worst thing in the world before you do it, but it seriously helps. I've been sleeping better as well now my life is back under control.

[PiG]

Can't give advice outside of personal experience.


For me I have trouble sleeping when:

1) I'm avoiding responsibilities and being incredibly lazy
2) not exercising
3) eating lots of junk food

Motivating myself to do stuff, exercising and eating healthily tends to help. Sport is great too.

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VB_heathen:

Same for me

[neKo]

I suffer from heaps of sleep related issues mate. PiG already basically explained the top reason for not sleeping mine were, Not exercising, eating lots of food late at night, sleeping too long into the afternoon and not actually ?burning? energy throughout the day

Here's what I did to fix a lot of my issues
#1 Wake up every morning at 7am. NO MATTER WHAT (even if you couldn't sleep the night before just ******* wake up at that time and don't sleep through the day

#2 Work out your diet. Eat 3 big meals throughout the day. Snacks/treats are fine but you have to cut them out of your system by at least 5pm.

#3 Work out, find time in your day to exercise, it may sound dreadful but exercise is the biggest factor in sleep related problems.

#4 Have a healthy state of mind, if you are depressed about something or feeling extremely anxious about life and times, go see a doctor to help sort things out. You'd be amazed at how many people say they can't sleep and they don't know why, however in their own world are stressed out and depressed about things.

[Cute]

I'm in the same boat man, I haven't actually gone to bed tonight either. Had this problem for about a year and a half now. Pills help, but they really aren't a solution.

For me, it's mostly anxiety based or something. I don't really enjoy anything. I hate what I do at uni, but after so much time and money spent (tens of thousands of dollars in debt already) I'm pretty much obligated to finish it. Being around people often feels like a hassle that I'll generally go out of my way to avoid. Desperately searching for something that I love that I can work towards. It just feels like something is missing, though I'm not sure what that is exactly.

Ugh, sorry for derailing. Hope that you work something out.

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[Jaywalk]

I have the same problem. So far the only solution I have found is to exercise heavily each day, and take melitonin 1 hour before I go to sleep a couple of nights a week. Pilots use it to reset their sleeping clock in different countries and its all natural so you dont get particularly groggy or anything.

I also go to bed and watch GSL while I fall asleep every night. Something about the commentators voices and the background music always makes me feel sleepy.

Some people have sleep phase disorders where they operate better within the hours of like 11am-1pm rather than the 8am-10pm that the majority of the world seems to be awake in. Theres no real solution and I think a lot of gamers would have a similar issue.

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Asrathiel:

Yup I think my natural sleep pattern is to wake up around midday and go to sleep at 2-3am :/

[mGGNemesis]

I hv this problem when my mind is actively still thinking of a problem and all its possible solutions. For example, if I just had a lateintense game of sc2 and i was thinking of possible counters or ways I could had done it betters OR just work related problems that I was working on. So it might be good to avoid such activities just before bedtime. Set a bedtime routine to wind down (soft music, an easy reading book, some generally quieter activities) and stick to a time to go to bed.
Hope this helps

[DGWoLF]

i thank you all for your help.
these are the things i have gathered from reading this thread while half asleep in my first class.

1 i need to exercise more. i know i should do a bit more but i dont have the time to Exercise , Do shit for my youtube, and do school work all in the hours of 3pm - 10.


to answer thgat thing about the 24 hour gym i wish i could do this but the closest gym is like a 1 hr ride from where i live. it takes 30 mins to get to town and it would by estimation be another 30 mins to get to that side of town. some mornings i use to walk around the block (4 am - 430 am) but as in the winter months getting out of bed is very regretable.so this inst a viable option.

2nd thing i got from this is a healthy diet and trust me i have a awesome diet with my mum as a awesome chef and step dad who can make some awesome Asian Style foods, plus having lots of home grown veges and fruit is epic.


also about the doctor
we went last week and still waiting for the results. (this was for falling unconcius 3 times of 6 months . they are looking into all the things that may have caused it. i believe it is because of major sleep deprivation. but ive had some ex rays , blood tests, and some heart shit .

so conclusively i think it is as some say for they a anxiety thing. i generaly hate school because im not doing well. but every day i make the full day i go home sleep from 3 - 4 then am up all night.
and end up not going to school the next day.
i know this might be weird to some me just opening up like this but seriously i want to find out what the problem is and this thread has helped me thanks

oh and some of the stress comes from me failing at tasks given to me eg i did a terrable cast for a Esport team. this made me angry at my self . yet i could do the HSL ones with ease. also same thing happened with school i failed at making a english (australian story like program ) some shit about adolescence . sorry this is going on but when i get sick i think i go down mentaly as well .....

[PiG]

Originally Posted by DGWoLF

i thank you all for your help.
these are the things i have gathered from reading this thread while half asleep in my first class.

1 i need to exercise more. i know i should do a bit more but i dont have the time to Exercise , Do shit for my youtube, and do school work all in the hours of 3pm - 10.


to answer thgat thing about the 24 hour gym i wish i could do this but the closest gym is like a 1 hr ride from where i live. it takes 30 mins to get to town and it would by estimation be another 30 mins to get to that side of town. some mornings i use to walk around the block (4 am - 430 am) but as in the winter months getting out of bed is very regretable.so this inst a viable option.

2nd thing i got from this is a healthy diet and trust me i have a awesome diet with my mum as a awesome chef and step dad who can make some awesome Asian Style foods, plus having lots of home grown veges and fruit is epic.


also about the doctor
we went last week and still waiting for the results. (this was for falling unconcius 3 times of 6 months . they are looking into all the things that may have caused it. i believe it is because of major sleep deprivation. but ive had some ex rays , blood tests, and some heart shit .

so conclusively i think it is as some say for they a anxiety thing. i generaly hate school because im not doing well. but every day i make the full day i go home sleep from 3 - 4 then am up all night.
and end up not going to school the next day.
i know this might be weird to some me just opening up like this but seriously i want to find out what the problem is and this thread has helped me thanks

oh and some of the stress comes from me failing at tasks given to me eg i did a terrable cast for a Esport team. this made me angry at my self . yet i could do the HSL ones with ease. also same thing happened with school i failed at making a english (australian story like program ) some shit about adolescence . sorry this is going on but when i get sick i think i go down mentaly as well .....

You say you have no time to exercise. Exercise can take as little as 15 minutes a day. When I was really inactive and had a terrible sleep schedule staying up until 9am some nights I eventually got sick of it and started doing short exercise routines most nights.

2x20 pushups, if you can't do this many do as many as possible properly then the rest on your knees.
2x50 situps.
2x20 bicep curls - If you don't have dumbells just do something like squats or lunges (youtube them if not sure how to)

That can be done in 15 minutes easily and would burn enough energy and use enough muscles to untense my eyes and brain and relax me so I could sleep much easier.

As for diet absolutely agree with Neko's post it has great advice about no snacking in the evenings. However it sounds like you have a great diet and am envious I wish I ate more fresh fruit and vegies!

As you said it sounds like it's anxiety related and doing a bit of exercise will help somewhat but I doubt it will remove the root of the problem. I'm no expert in this stuff except but once again from my experiences I always found 23Nemesis' "write it all down on a piece of paper" each night to be great once i finally managed to motivate myself to do it. I would write out my whole dilemma and categorise and organise it into what I could do about it, and plan what I had to simply forget about, and what I had to get done on what days. Once it's on the paper and I know when I have to do it all I would then push it from my mind and find sleep somewhat easier.

Another thing is what Zain and some others have said about overstimulating yourself. I've personally known people who say "I can't sleep" and yet only try for 5 minutes and then hop back onto the internet, play games or eat junk food/soda. Now obviously your situation is more intense then this but be aware that the internet, games and such are all the opposite of what you should be doing. In late adolescence I had serious problems sleeping and I taught myself 'meditation' techniques where I would force myself to lie flat on my back in the same position and then basically speak to myself in my head. I would run through a scene where my voice was telling me that I was on a warm beach, lieing in the sand and would describe the warmth of the sand and how comfortable it was and describe little pleasurable things about my surroundings. I think beaches have always been one of my favourite place and to me it's like my happy place being alone on a deserted warm beach. I would then tell myself to focus on one part of my body at a time and to feel it melt like liquid into a state of relaxation. I've always looked up to myself and taken what I've said very seriously. So I would listen to my own voice talk myself to sleep... all in my head.

Hmm... that actually sounds a lot more crazy then it actually was! But the idea is you control your mind and your body. And if you learn the right methods you can manipulate and steer it through certain methods.

P.S. Get a massage, they rock. If too pricey get one from a massage school for free or 1/10 the price

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	Maynarde:
	DGWoLF:	You sir are a Smart man :)

[Dox]

+ [PiG post] +

Originally Posted by PiG

You say you have no time to exercise. Exercise can take as little as 15 minutes a day. When I was really inactive and had a terrible sleep schedule staying up until 9am some nights I eventually got sick of it and started doing short exercise routines most nights.

2x20 pushups, if you can't do this many do as many as possible properly then the rest on your knees.
2x50 situps.
2x20 bicep curls - If you don't have dumbells just do something like squats or lunges (youtube them if not sure how to)

That can be done in 15 minutes easily and would burn enough energy and use enough muscles to untense my eyes and brain and relax me so I could sleep much easier.

As for diet absolutely agree with Neko's post it has great advice about no snacking in the evenings. However it sounds like you have a great diet and am envious I wish I ate more fresh fruit and vegies!

As you said it sounds like it's anxiety related and doing a bit of exercise will help somewhat but I doubt it will remove the root of the problem. I'm no expert in this stuff except but once again from my experiences I always found 23Nemesis' "write it all down on a piece of paper" each night to be great once i finally managed to motivate myself to do it. I would write out my whole dilemma and categorise and organise it into what I could do about it, and plan what I had to simply forget about, and what I had to get done on what days. Once it's on the paper and I know when I have to do it all I would then push it from my mind and find sleep somewhat easier.

Another thing is what Zain and some others have said about overstimulating yourself. I've personally known people who say "I can't sleep" and yet only try for 5 minutes and then hop back onto the internet, play games or eat junk food/soda. Now obviously your situation is more intense then this but be aware that the internet, games and such are all the opposite of what you should be doing. In late adolescence I had serious problems sleeping and I taught myself 'meditation' techniques where I would force myself to lie flat on my back in the same position and then basically speak to myself in my head. I would run through a scene where my voice was telling me that I was on a warm beach, lieing in the sand and would describe the warmth of the sand and how comfortable it was and describe little pleasurable things about my surroundings. I think beaches have always been one of my favourite place and to me it's like my happy place being alone on a deserted warm beach. I would then tell myself to focus on one part of my body at a time and to feel it melt like liquid into a state of relaxation. I've always looked up to myself and taken what I've said very seriously. So I would listen to my own voice talk myself to sleep... all in my head.

Hmm... that actually sounds a lot more crazy then it actually was! But the idea is you control your mind and your body. And if you learn the right methods you can manipulate and steer it through certain methods.

P.S. Get a massage, they rock. If too pricey get one from a massage school for free or 1/10 the price

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[mGGNemesis]

Does sound like it's anxiety/stress related. I was once given this advice, to write down the problem or any solutions my mind churns out, on a piece of paper, and just go to bed knowing that I won't forget it and can forget it until the next morning. So sometimes even in the dark, I just scribble some ideas that my mind refuses to let go off (perhaps in fear that I might forget), on a piece of paper. Mentally telling myself that sleep is more impt for me and that problem has just to wait till morning because realistically, there is nothing I can do about it at night anyway.

For example, u mentioned u felt u did a terrible cast for a Esport team and that made u angry. Ur mind might also be telling u, u shd had done or done that or not do this or that. Write it all down on a piece of paper. Then go to bed knowing that for good or bad, it's there and u won't forget it and you can work on the ideas or improving the next day. It can even be considered a journal or diary.

lack of sleep will make u more upset and angry and eventually your body feels lousy and u might fall sick. Take care...

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[DGWoLF]

thanks man i shall try this. i have had a few things suggested to me i will see what i can do about combining them to get the best effect.
i think it should be of importance that after 3 odd days of minimal sleep sometimes i will sleep for 12 + hours is this normal ?
for eg friday -sat sleeep at 9 am sat, sat- sun waking up at 10- 12ish (i cant remember) sleep at dawn sunday morning. Sunday to monday - around 2 hours sleep (4 am - 6 am then rush to get ready for school ) came home then slept from 10pm monday night - 4 pm tuesday afternoon :/

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mGGNemesis:

Yes I have heard and read of people who make up on 'lost' sleep by sleeping more over the weekend :)

[DM.MCZ.Shondy]

Im not sure if Australia have 'The body shop' if there is~ you can try getting a deep sleep spray, is basically like aroma threapy ~

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	mGGNemesis:	yeah I heard that some aromatherapy works for some ppl (unless u have sensitive nose like mine) :)
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[MezjE]

I have the same issues and I am in year 12 I just go to bed at around 11/10 now instead of 2/1 and just lie there and read until I fall asleep. I find reading puts me to sleep really quickly after about 10 or so pages. Also Exercise is good as well! Just go outside for a jog or do push ups or something in your room if you don't want to go outside. I found it extremely hard as well when my parents decided to have a baby when I am in year 12 and am woken up at 4am every second day...

Hope your stuff gets better man!

[cruxis]

I know a great method t fix your sleeping pattern.

First, you'll have to free up a couple of days, for example, a weekend.

Friday night, do not sleep at all. Do an all nighter, and stay awake during the next day as well.

Now, that alone won't fix it. What you also have to do is a little trick. Starting the next day (saturday if you're doing it over the weekend), do not eat anything.

Now, on Saturday night, go to bed at the time you wish to start sleeping. You still shouldn't have eaten anything since Friday night. Also set an alarm for the time you want to wake up.

When you wake up, have the biggest breakfast you have ever had. 6 sausages, 8 eggs and a whole pig if you have. Just eat till you can't eat any more, then eat a bit more. Then when you go to bed Sunday night, you should fall asleep fairly soon.

It has varying results, but I'd say on the whole, it works fairly well. It's worth a shot, and if it doesn't work, all you've missed out on a couple of meals and some sleep.

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[TABottles]

Originally Posted by cruxis

I know a great method t fix your sleeping pattern.

First, you'll have to free up a couple of days, for example, a weekend.

Friday night, do not sleep at all. Do an all nighter, and stay awake during the next day as well.

Now, that alone won't fix it. What you also have to do is a little trick. Starting the next day (saturday if you're doing it over the weekend), do not eat anything.

Now, on Saturday night, go to bed at the time you wish to start sleeping. You still shouldn't have eaten anything since Friday night. Also set an alarm for the time you want to wake up.

When you wake up, have the biggest breakfast you have ever had. 6 sausages, 8 eggs and a whole pig if you have. Just eat till you can't eat any more, then eat a bit more. Then when you go to bed Sunday night, you should fall asleep fairly soon.

It has varying results, but I'd say on the whole, it works fairly well. It's worth a shot, and if it doesn't work, all you've missed out on a couple of meals and some sleep.

I've been wide awake for a whole night and really pushed myself to stay awake through the day aswell. I eventually crashed at a proper time of sorts (8pm) and woke up at 6am. It works and got my body clock back together. Not sure about the no eating thing.. sounds like torture - i think the guy racks disciprine.

[Ben]

As other people said, you should start regularly excercising and go to bed early, even if you can't sleep you're trying and you will eventually get there until it is routine. You NEED to do it, your school is going to be severely affected, mine was but everything is good now (finished school and did well thankfully). School is important, sleep is important. Get them both into order.

[RicocheT]

Got milk?
No literally, milk actually helps you sleep.

[Mr_Zain]

Avoid the stimulation of the internet. In an age of information overloading it is easy to get caught in the fast paced loop of contemporary life. Before bed you should spend at least 30 minutes engaging in an activity which does not require excessive concentration or thought. Playing an SC2 game is a bad idea, as is cramming for an exam etc. You should read a book, a novel, nothing which is overly complicated. If you don't like reading, watch television - anything to really slow down the pace of what is ordinarily a packed day.

Sleep is critical to functionality so you really want to make sure you are getting a reasonable amount, coffee can only do so much.

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PiG:

[SLCN.CautioN]

i pulled an all nighter for two exams... Ended up very very badly as i kept yawning and writing with my eyes closed oh as well as laughing and giggling like a little girl...

[Dox]

I've been sleeping ~4 hours per night with a big crash every weekend for about 5-6 years in a row now. It's not healthy. Trust me, you wanna nip that shit in the bud asap, don't let it become a habit.

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Maynarde:

Same

[inFeZa]

Does not sound like good advice at all.

[cruxis]

Breakfast is the most important meal, because you're "breaking a fast". If you trick your body into thinking 2 days is just 1 hectik day, then it's going to be a lot easier to settle into that pattern.

[UHF]

A couple of tips (my GF is an insomniac):

* Set a routine of getting up in the morning - force yourself awake no matter how tired you are.
* Drink LOTS of water when you wake up - you feel tired when you are dehydrated
* Breaky - eat it, it does give you the energy to start the day
* Lots of sunshine - it seems strange but a lack of sunshine can mess with your body clock.
* Don't nap during the day - it will keep you awake longer later in the evening
* Small meals at night - no snacking afterwards & definately no coffee or soda
* De-stress yourself

We've tried hard over the years to get her sleeping right - but in the end she gave up as it was a lot of work for her. I still catch her napping when I get homes from work in the arvie.

Best of luck!

[FaDeHellfyre]

In terms of stress and anxiety, i just want to repeat something i said because it took people annoying me for me to do this so i'll do the same to you.

Go talk to someone. No one needs to know you're doing it, it's all confidential. I know that I definitely wouldn't want to go talk to a school counsellor when I was in school, but just try it once man. They'll help you set goals that are achievable, they'll help you confront things in your life that you're avoiding, and they're just an unbiased person to talk to. You can't even imagine the difference it makes.

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DGWoLF:

i might make a apointment for next week some time :)

[ToRSpookToR]

I would just like to put in my personal experience.
A few years ago i had alot of trouble sleeping this led to failing a few years off school and dropping out and depression, i am sure there are more but they are the important ones, now in my case i refused to ask for help and nor would i accept help if it was offered please dont make the same mistakes i did ask for help and accept it no matter where it comes from. Make sure you see the doctor speak with someone anyone friend, parent school counselor because it will help and they will help you get through. Try to do it as soon as possible to avoid as much damage as possible depression sucks and so does uncertainty in life. Even now i work 4 days a week with a day off in between every work day some months i sleep on my day off and pull an all nighter before work horrible habbits.... sleep is very important!!! do not neglect it!

[SLCN.Kez]

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	DGWoLF:	awkward but doesnt work
	VB_heathen:

[sRAnti]

There's a lot of good advice already about routine, exercise and diet, and good work by sc2sea for that.

But your last point really concerns me, the one about depression. If you are sure that you are only in a low mood because of your lack of sleep, then fine. Focus on all the excellent advice already presented. However one of the major symptoms of depression is difficulty sleeping, so your lack of sleep might be caused by clinical depression.

Depression is super common, everyone will experience it once during their life. However this can range from just feeling down after a negative event, to consistent self harm and attempted suicide. If you've experienced loss of diet or overeating, loss of interest in activities/social events, difficulty concentrating, feelings of guilt/worthlessness/helplessness, irritability, persistent sad/anxious feelings or thoughts of suicide I would strongly recommend seeing a professional such as a counsellor at school or your doctor. Depression can get worse if left untreated, leading to you being physically unable to get out of bed and just breaking down.

The reason I'm getting worried is that I have depression and am currently repeating year 12 because of it. I pretty much crashed last year and missed a good 2 months of school, leaving me too far behind my classmates. I really hope that you are just having a hard time sleeping, and nothing more. If so, I find that routine and exercise was the most helpful things for me. Just going to bed at the same time after winding down for an hour (usually watching a sc2 stream) was useful, especially if I had been for a walk that day.

I wish you good luck with your sleep, and please feel free to talk to me if you have any questions

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PiG:

Advice from people like antimetric who have experienced this should really be listened to!