[nirvAnA]

I didn't want NairX's clan thread to be derailed so I moved the posts here. Some information about house clans. This is a free service provided by us which takes quite some time to set up and integrate with the site because i have to custom code it in each time. We have quite a few requests from clans who aren't even active or will not make a good fit, and we can't accept all applications.

Nobody is "entitled" to have a house clan, it is not your right. Being around for 1 year as a shitty bad manner clan doesn't matter. We give house clan status to deserving clans and hope the exposure encourages them to grow bigger and stronger. Do we want to encourage a shitty bm clan to be a bigger shitty bm clan? Absolutely not.

Two shinning examples of clans that have benefited from our house clan system and were a perfect match with us are ToR and mGG. They started as really small SC2SEA house clans and through good leadership and dedication went on to receive hundreds of recruitment applications through the automated form provided. Having good leadership is very important and that's one of the differences that made them stand out from the rest.

House Clan criteria:

1. Mature and dedicated leader - This is very important or your clan will just be inactive / dissolve through internal conflict. Having a good OP created is a sign of dedication and so is encouraging and motivating your members and dealing with them internally when they **** up (instead of supporting them regardless just because you're in the same clan)
2. Activity on SC2SEA - This is another huge one, if you're not active before you're a house clan you're not going to be active after being a house clan. There is no point having your own forums here if they aren't being used, so get your members to participate actively.
3. Respectable behaviour - We don't want to associate with clans who behave poorly that will tarnish the image of sc2sea or 'esports' in our region. Bad manner clans need not apply, you can make your own homepage simple as that.

Current clans under consideration

• NairX
• DGTV
• eMp
• Top Team
• Invisible Threat Gaming
• HYPE gaming

Last Accepted House Clans

• pX
• AXS
• ETL

On the topic of IXL, i actually gave them the benefit of the doubt and set up a page for them a long time back in Jan. http://www.sc2sea.com/view_ixlhome.htm I told IXLives to msg me when its ready and their info was added in. In fact, most of it is already done. IXLives told me to wait on announcing it because they were creating their own new site. Recent immaturity from their members who have no clue what went on have made me reconsider. (i.e Malice's post below which was actually made before this OP).

I have moved the rest of the posts from the NairX thread over here. This thread can be used to discuss house clan status for clans on the consideration listt and you can recommend clans that deserve to be house clans.

[Malice]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

This OP looks so beautiful. Do your members use this forum actively too? If not there's no point a house clan cause the forums are a big part. Do let me know!

Would love to see an updated op with links to your clan wars and some of your members profiles on sc2sea

Are you actually serious, or is this a joke?
IXL has been around for about a year and are active here and we've been asking for house clan constantly, but we continue to get ignored. We have hosted two open cups where our leaders forked money out of their own pockets, we have members active on this forum, we came 3/4 in seacl tier 2. Some rando clan comes along with a bunch of diamond players who practice on SEA, and immediately you're their best mate and want to give them house clan.

Just because you don't like a clan doesn't mean they aren't a big part of the community. This is why people leave this forum, and the community continues to get smaller and smaller. Even the admin of the site is bullying people, which is going to shuffle people out of the site, and lead to people leaving the scene. I love some of the people on this site, but this is just absolute bullshit, and it's a spit in the face to Runamok and Lives who have worked hard to be a part of the community by hosting these events, and running clan wars.

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	syfRize:	I'm in agreement with Malice here, nirvAnA, the people want IXL as house clan...
	eCKoa`ProzeR:	same here with eMp, would be nice if we would become a house clan

[syfChase]

Originally Posted by StevenKo79

Meeting Channel：eQ_love_NairX ( SEA server )

You are cheating on us! (mGG)

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fray`Alpha:

LOL my thoughts exactly.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

Even the admin of the site is bullying people, which is going to shuffle people out of the site, and lead to people leaving the scene.

Apologies if im wrong but wasn't it some of the guys from IXL that were, i guess you could say 'bullying' the guys from mGG? I know its past it was resolved but from what i know it doesn't seem like IXL have the best image despite the efforts from runamok and co.

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	Seffy:	Props to them for at least trying to get their name good again though.
	MezjE:	Absolutely clueless.

[Matt93]

Originally Posted by Snx.Mufasa

Apologies if im wrong but wasn't it some of the guys from IXL that were, i guess you could say 'bullying' the guys from mGG? I know its past it was resolved but from what i know it doesn't seem like IXL have the best image despite the efforts from runamok and co.

I'm yet to meet a nice person from NairX. Even Oclel came into sc2sea chat one day claiming a person from FS was being bm to him after a game that Oclel lost and linked a screenshot of said FS person being bm. Later he admitted that he said something like "it's funny that noobs can cheese and win" essentially provoking the response.

Partnered with my own meeting with a NairX person (whose name I can't remember :\ ) which was also pretty mean, he raged at me after I won a ZvZ against him. I wasn't around when IXL got their BM reputation (assuming it wasn't in the last 7 months) and I've only met pretty nice IXL people. Nama, Malice, RuineD (occasionally he is okay) IcedTea, Krelsin etc.

It's Nirv's decision in the end on who gets houseclan etc. but I think IXL do deserve it more than NairX do.

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syfRize:

Perfect ^

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by Matt93

I'm yet to meet a nice person from NairX. Even Oclel came into sc2sea chat one day claiming a person from FS was being bm to him after a game that Oclel lost and linked a screenshot of said FS person being bm. Later he admitted that he said something like "it's funny that noobs can cheese and win" essentially provoking the response.

Partnered with my own meeting with a NairX person (whose name I can't remember :\ ) which was also pretty mean, he raged at me after I won a ZvZ against him. I wasn't around when IXL got their BM reputation (assuming it wasn't in the last 7 months) and I've only met pretty nice IXL people. Nama, Malice, RuineD (occasionally he is okay) IcedTea, Krelsin etc.

It's Nirv's decision in the end on who gets houseclan etc. but I think IXL do deserve it more than NairX do.

Seconded. Nirv decides in the end, but I'd like to put my input in this situation too if that's fine.

IMO in terms of this House Clan thing I do think IXL does deserve it more. Okay, sure they did some pretty stupid shit in the past and they do have people that people don't like in general. But I've never had a problem with them and there's a lot of well mannered members in it. Besides, IXL is quite active and are contributing to the community, and if they do stupid shit they apologize anyway (e.g. that whole mGG/IXL drama shenanigans).

NairX isn't really active on sc2sea compared to IXL is and yeah Oclel had a go at a lot of people in the chat after he showed someone on FS was apparently being BM and then it turns out he started it in the first place. Hell, I've not heard a single good word regarding NairX so far at all, mainly just a bunch of them being BM to other people in the community.

They haven't been in here for long, and considering that they've already got quite a lot of negative reputation from members of the community right off the bat, they do have a lot to prove to deserve a House Clan spot here, or really deserve a spot in our community at all.

[sR.Kumo]

Guis
Don argue
Lets all cuddle and be fwends

*group cuddles with everyone*

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Seffy:

We're debating. :D

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by Matt93

I'm yet to meet a nice person from NairX. Even Oclel came into sc2sea chat one day claiming a person from FS was being bm to him after a game that Oclel lost and linked a screenshot of said FS person being bm. Later he admitted that he said something like "it's funny that noobs can cheese and win" essentially provoking the response.

Partnered with my own meeting with a NairX person (whose name I can't remember :\ ) which was also pretty mean, he raged at me after I won a ZvZ against him. I wasn't around when IXL got their BM reputation (assuming it wasn't in the last 7 months) and I've only met pretty nice IXL people. Nama, Malice, RuineD (occasionally he is okay) IcedTea, Krelsin etc.

It's Nirv's decision in the end on who gets houseclan etc. but I think IXL do deserve it more than NairX do.

Oh i have no idea about nairx... never played or seen any of them talk, was just pointing out one of the possible reasons why IXL have been having trouble getting into house clans.

[syfChase]

Originally Posted by Snx.Mufasa

Apologies if im wrong but wasn't it some of the guys from IXL that were, i guess you could say 'bullying' the guys from mGG? I know its past it was resolved but from what i know it doesn't seem like IXL have the best image despite the efforts from runamok and co.

Nono it's okay, I have turned IXL's mGG Circlejerk subreddit into a thriving community of 4 readers

http://www.reddit.com/r/mggcirclejerk

Edit: On a more serious note, I can understand Malice's frustrations, but making an aggressive post towards a clan on their announcement thread that are new to the community seems incredibly bm to me, especially when they've put so much effort into announcing themselves and have not made any offensive actions in this thread (I'm assuming it was nirvAnA's post that provoked Malice). Not saying that you guys are wrong or you're opinions aren't valid, especially the bm with FS, but this thread seems like the worst place to talk about it ;_;

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	mGGFender:	no doubt that number will jump now due to your shameless advertising
	Seffy:	UPBOATED
	Matt93:	Chasu to the rescu
	MezjE:	lol clueless

[ToRSpookToR]

go home IXL TORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTO RTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORT ORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTOR TORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTO RTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORT ORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTOR TORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTORTO R

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	asdfSchnitzel:	spook post best post
	Matt93:	so insightful
	mGGSlayer:	+1
	syfChase:	If this was anyone except spook I would expect an infraction lul
	Seffy:	^ +1
	sR.Kumo:	hehehehe dat infraction
	FSJhedjuka:	^ lol
	Plottel:	Infraction and more 100% Deserved.
	Pox:	what a muppet

[ToRSpookToR]

i propose ToR gets promoted to super house clan

[Snx.FigJig]

Originally Posted by Matt93

I've only met pretty nice IXL people. Nama, Malice, RuineD (occasionally he is okay) IcedTea, Krelsin etx.

You don't think I'm nice?

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	Matt93:	you edited the quote to say etx instead of etc.. you're untrustworthy bub. ♥
	mGGNemesis:	I believe IcedTea and maybe Krelsin has since left IXL as they thought it was inactive on SEA?
	syfSoundwave:	lol

[Antel0pe]

Originally Posted by Matt93

I've only met pretty nice IXL people. Nama

how did namakaye get on that list? ._.

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	asdfSchnitzel:	ikr
	Matt93:	Pity selection
	mGGNemesis:	I happen to think Nama is a pretty nice person too :)

[x5.RunaMoK]

it's a grim day for sc2sea

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MezjE:

grimZ day heu

[ToRSpookToR]

Originally Posted by mcaspook

*Chasu: *
If this was anyone except spook I would expect an infraction lul

baka isnt here to infract me :P

[BaKaiNu]

I have been summoned?

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by mcaspook

baka isnt here to infract me :P

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

I have been summoned?

Anyhow, things have been said it's best to just leave it to them to sort it out themselves. A few of us have said our opinions on the matter but that's all we can do, upto the bosses to decide who gets house or not.

[water666]

so, i was amused at this.

peace.


....and love.

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TCPKerO:

LOVE AND PEACE - vash pose

[Hwangje]

"Respectable behaviour - We don't want to associate with clans who behave poorly that tarnish the image of esports. Bad manner clans need not apply, you can make your own homepage simple as that." How can NairX be considered then?

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	SLCN.Wally:	SHOTS FIRED
	Seffy:	RATATATATATA

[nirvAnA]

Oh yea its good you guys talk about the clans under consideration, because I don't know anything about their behaviour outside the forums.

[Snx.FigJig]

Would having a poll when deciding if a clan should be made a house clan be a possibility?

[Hwangje]

Originally Posted by Snx.FigJig

Would having a poll when deciding if a clan should be made a house clan be a possibility?

+1 ^^^^^^^

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Activity on SC2SEA - This is another huge one, if you're not active before you're a house clan you're not going to be active after being a house clan. There is no point having your own forums here if they aren't being used, so get your members to participate actively.

Outside the BM, with NairX this is another issue for them. After the recruitment thread, the CW vs ToR (I think it was ToR anyway, correct me if I'm wrong please) and Oclel shit-stirring to everyone in chat at one point they've basically disappeared entirely.

Originally Posted by Snx.FigJig

Would having a poll when deciding if a clan should be made a house clan be a possibility?

Excellent point. I think we as community members have the right to vote in regards to whether we want "-insert clan name here-" to be a house clan or not.

[nirvAnA]

If there is any Poll, it would be among Moderators or other forum veterans so its not skewed by people in their clan / getting their friends to vote. No clan is "entitled" to house clan status.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by mGGCrayonPop

Excellent point. I think we as community members have the right to vote in regards to whether we want "-insert clan name here-" to be a house clan or not.

This wouldn't work at all, all you're going to get are the people from the clans voting for themselves. The clan with the most amount of people or just the most popular clan will have a clear advantage in this kinda system so I think its pretty stupid.

I agree with nirvana when it should only ever me the mods/people with highly regarded opinions voting in some other 'secret sub forum if you were ever going to use a poll.

[Hwangje]

Why should the moderators and veterans decide what the community want though?

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TtSYF.tRoy:

Not what they want, they decide what they get.

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by Hwangje

Why should the moderators and veterans decide what the community want though?

I reckon what should be done is.. ok, fine we let the mods and vets do the voting... However, in case of any shady moderator and/or veteran business (like the applying clan leader is really good friends with a mod/vet) it's imo a good idea if the mods/vets listen to us on what we have to say, so sort of like a community meeting. After considering what we have said, then they can do the voting.

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by Hwangje

Why should the moderators and veterans decide what the community want though?

You make the mistake of confusing the "community" with "you + your friends".

----

mGGCrayonPop: Yea that sounds reasonable.

[syfRize]

I say a poll that includes all of the veterans of this community and the admins (or atleast 75% of them) would work.
If said clan gains house clan status against the wishes of the other members of the community, I suppose they could after all get that status taken from them and blacklisted from ever regaining it if they were to be "total dicks"

[ToRSpookToR]

all the admins are jerks though
edit: its a joke i shall say preemptively pls relax
edit2: or serious point, a lot of these clans are not even active hell of lot of the current house clans aren't even active VB, QED etc they should be active on sc2sea to be considered.

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mGGNemesis:

VB is still alive :D

[VorteX]

Nirvana...good to make a thread dedicated to House Clans..to opinions and Ideas for House Clans.

To have the community more involved you can have a list of Clans seeking to be house clans and let the community vote or nominate the clans (while you still have the choice of letting them or not). However, you can than decide, if top 1 or top2 or etc... will get the House Clan or be considered into getting house clan. That's up to you.

That way community can help you decide or which clan deserves house clans

In Worse can Scenario, and bad clans, can be voted/nominated the same way, but to be removed as a house clan and also it still give the Admins the final Say, but have the community's input into the decision as well.

[nirvAnA]

spook - we can't stop a clan from going inactive, things happen. what we can do is exercise more discretion in our selection of house clans so the chance of them going inactive is lower, which is the whole point of this. As for the current inactive clans, I may remove the icons of the inactive ones and archive it of something.

VorteX Yup, this thread serves exactly that, to get community feedback about the clans up for consideration. For e.g i learned a lot about nairx from what people have been posting here and they look unlikely candidates now.

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mGGNemesis:

Perhaps remove the clans who have disbanded e.g. sR?

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Who is nairX. ..?

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	nirvAnA:	its a clan lol
	mGGNemesis:	Relatively new clan wanting to be more active; needs more time to prove themselves imo

[ToRSpookToR]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

spook - we can't stop a clan from going inactive, things happen. what we can do is exercise more discretion in our selection of house clans so the chance of them going inactive is lower, which is the whole point of this. As for the current inactive clans, I may remove the icons of the inactive ones and archive it of something.

yeah thats cool looking at the house clans is always great you have VB, SPR, wT and many others it brings back so many great memories. but currently some of these clans that want to be house clans are not very active at all.

[VorteX]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

VorteX Yup, this thread serves exactly that, to get community feedback about the clans up for consideration. For e.g i learned a lot about nairx from what people have been posting here and they look unlikely candidates now.

Yeah...Also update the OP with the List of Clans up for nomination for house clans, have have like a vote button counting the of votes (also shows the number of votes so far), with a deadline to vote by. Similar to Seabets.

It makes it easier for everyone to see and dont have to go through pages manually counting the votes.

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

As for the current inactive clans, I may remove the icons of the inactive ones and archive it of something.

That's a good idea...no point in keeping inactive clans on the active list. Leaders of that clan that has been archived can put in a request to admin to have their house clan reactive. The criteria of a house clan of being re-activated is up to you.

You can also create a thread for Inactive clans, so that the community can put in their opinion on which clan is inactive and members of the community can vote (agree) that clan to be inactive. Again you have the final say. This also helps you out to decide which clan is inactive. Otherwise it be so much work for the Admin to take on the whole job to check and look for inactive clans.

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by VorteX

Yeah...Also update the OP with the List of Clans up for nomination for house clans, have have like a vote button counting the of votes (also shows the number of votes so far), with a deadline to vote by. Similar to Seabets.

It makes it easier for everyone to see and dont have to go through pages manually counting the votes.

There's a problem with that and that's basically something along the lines of "vote buying"; anyone would've been able to vote in it if this was the case.

My suggestion is that we have the thread of clans under review for HC status, and then the community can have their opinions on it. The mods/admins/veterans can then look at them, and put what the community has said under consideration, and then we leave the voting exclusively to them only.

Edit: This is the actual thread.

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nirvAnA:

This is that thread!

[VorteX]

Originally Posted by mGGCrayonPop

There's a problem with that and that's basically something along the lines of "vote buying"; anyone would've been able to vote in it if this was the case.

Well in each set of lists (to be voted) each logged in users is barred to vote only once. So it shouldn't be any problems in voting for that particular list. This "vote buying" as you have put it, can also apply to those that requires posts to vote or give their opinions. But my way only makes it easier for those people who have legitimately put in their votes.

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by VorteX

Well in each set of lists each logged in users is barred to vote only once. So it shouldn't be any problems in voting for that particular list.

That helps, a little.. but it's more with the "friends and clan mates" sort of thing if you know what I mean.

Best to leave it to the higher ups with this part of HC applications really. All we have to do is just say why they or they do not deserve to be a House Clan right in this thread.

[VorteX]

Originally Posted by mGGCrayonPop

That helps, a little.. but it's more with the "friends and clan mates" sort of thing if you know what I mean.

Best to leave it to the higher ups with this part of HC applications really. All we have to do is just say why they or they do not deserve to be a House Clan right in this thread.

Yes I know...but is also doesn't stop them from getting "friends and clan mates" just providing bias opinions to increase the chance of making their clan a house clan by posting a comment. Posting a Comments or voting, they can still do it. All i am suggesting is that it make it easier for those people who legitimately want to voice their opinion about which clan to have a house clan and to see the live results up onto the decision by the admins.

Again, the final decision is made by Nirvana and other Admins.

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Seffy:

Oh yeah I see what you mean now!

[RicocheT]

Kind of off-topic, but are you sure you want a logo of a guy fapping (OGC) on the sc2sea house clans page?

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	mGGNemesis:	lol
	PuMiCe:	hahahaha :P
	Seffy:	LOL 10 char.

[VB_WhiplashJC]

VB is alive and well, but we don't really use the House clan stuff, I guess mainly because we have our own website/forums and because Pott isn't around much any more and he was the one who promised me he'd keep it up to date.

I wouldn't object to VB being removed on that basis, but I do think we benefit from being associated with sc2sea. What I'd ask is if we could keep the icon up there and just have it link to our website - maybe that would be appropriate for other clans too.

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	mGGNemesis:	VB cool clan :)
	Matt93:	VB terrible beer :)

[RuineD]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Nobody is "entitled" to have a house clan, it is not your right. Being around for 1 year as a shitty bad manner clan doesn't matter. We give house clan status to deserving clans and hope the exposure encourages them to grow bigger and stronger. Do we want to encourage a shitty bm clan to be a bigger shitty bm clan? Absolutely not.



On the topic of IXL, i actually gave them the benefit of the doubt and set up a page for them a long time back in Jan. http://www.sc2sea.com/view_ixlhome.htm I told IXLives to msg me when its ready and their info was added in. In fact, most of it is already done. IXLives told me to wait on announcing it because they were creating their own new site. Recent immaturity from their members who have no clue what went on have made me reconsider.

"shitty bad manner clan"

I've actually quietened down for the better part of this year - I actually have NO idea what "immature" behaviour you are talking about. The last thing I can remember was that stupid mGG debacle which involved a small minority of the clan who were punished by Runamok/Lives following it. If I learned anything from it I realised it's a waste of time trying to argue with people about what should and shouldn't be said BLA BLA BLA. But reading this is actually fucked. You call us a shitty bad manner clan? Shitty bad manner site owner more like it.

Your personal vendetta against like 3 people of IXL seems like it has become a ******* obsession. Get over it, you're making something of essentially nothing which happened like 8 months ago.


EDIT: the hypocrisy of nirvana's rep comment - "proving the point" of the thread; as in, you're BMing all of IXL and call it "proving the point" when we respond angrily and obviously as aggressively as you are being.

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	nirvAnA:	Oh this post brought out the behaviour i mentioned perfectly. + You're the one making something of nothing
	SLCNPezz:	you're both being immature but idk why you would respond like this ruined, it just makes you look like a kiddo.

[ToRSpookToR]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

VB is alive and well, but we don't really use the House clan stuff, I guess mainly because we have our own website/forums and because Pott isn't around much any more and he was the one who promised me he'd keep it up to date.

I wouldn't object to VB being removed on that basis, but I do think we benefit from being associated with sc2sea. What I'd ask is if we could keep the icon up there and just have it link to our website - maybe that would be appropriate for other clans too.

yeah i know haha but i rarely see you guys any more

now TA vs Nirvana is gone we need a new clan it seems to be IXL

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	TAEdgE:	TA #1 Manner
	RuineD:	if we were as manner as TA we would be house clan :(

[SLCNA.Peppy]

I mainly lurk this site but I feel I should provide some input on the matter both as a member of IXL and the community.

Sadly as a member of IXL I have been given the impression that my kind are disliked here and as a result am hesitant to post here. This directly influences the way the community views IXL. Because only a few of our clan actually regularly post here our image is skewed. And despite the attempts of the players who did give our clan a bad reputation to "clean up their act" the reputation of IXL stayed the same due to new members avoiding posting, and a lack of willingness to change opinions by key members of the site.

From this point I will post more often to try and overcome this bad reputation. I will encourage other IXL members to do the same and hopefully our reputation will be seen for what it truely is. Keep in mind that us at least being considered for house clan statues would provide alot of encouragement for other members of IXL.

I really hope this post has made a difference because it pains me to see our leaders working so hard and achieving no recognition. And lately I have sensed a lack of passion in our sc2 division, passion that thrives with community interaction.

EDIT: "perfectly said if only these members could see how much they have hurt their own clan." They do, and they have made numerous efforts to change this image, however what i'm trying to say is that without the help of the community to encourage them to keep their good behaviour and to accept the new image no progression will be made.

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	nirvAnA:	perfectly said :) if only these members could see how much they have hurt their own clan.
	Seffy:	Well said.
	TCPKerO:	This a very positive post, you have the right idea! Keep positive and you will get it!
	MezjE:	My brain hurts.
	sR.Kumo:	great post, I'm sure if you keep active and positive, it'll work out :D
	FSJhedjuka:	I approve this message!

[Pandan]

As much as I agree with the saying "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - the problem here is that the doubt has somewhat been removed, so being silent isn't the fix.

You're actually in stage 2 where you need to be vocal, active and helpful members to alter the perception.

[TCPKerO]

Working towards a solution, rather than consistently pointing out the faults of others is where this should be heading.

[water666]

just a note for nirvana outsourced merged with axis and we are now one under the axs tag

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	syfRize:	^ <3
	nirvAnA:	ty

[x5.RunaMoK]

It's sad sight to see this kind of "reputation" being perceived about the IXL community.
We've done nothing but support the SEA/ International scene since our emergence into E-sports and we've set out with goals to stand out and for good reasons.
The entire E-sports scene is based off multiple characters and individuals that create following / tension. This generates hype to generate viewership to allow advertising to then re-support the characters.
That being said we acknowledge the incident between IXL & MGG was wrong and the person(s) responsible where chased up and talked to, not only for the image of IXL but the overall image we have E-sports.

You'll find in any and all sport there will be banter, this isn't a direct result of us simply targeting any group or individual but what simply comes in a competitive scene. It is like a subliminal way to promote improvement as players and clans alike, strive for the overall victory.

What we pride ourselves on is even through this fog of war, IXL members if defeated will shake hands and we will be back to tackle the challenges you the community present us as we strive for rank #1.

House clan or not, we remain.

See you around.

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Montycarlo:

Good solid resolve.

[Stallion]

ok heres my 2 cents for what its worth first off IXLeditorinchiefs post was fantastic. Clans in sea get damaged very quickly by one person doing dumb shit as we are so small, but i actually think this is a good thing as you get to see how the clan leader/s react to the dumbarse. Im actually not that sure about ixl I know one person who was insanely cocky but everyone gets cocky at somepoint in this game ive found(maybe its just me) yet what i do know is Runamonk is a very hard working dedicated leader for ixl.

two things from my point of view should happen:-
1. tell Runamonk to try to make sure that everyone who is in ixl or joins ixl in the future knows of the responsibilities and expectations of being a member of ixl are and the consequences.

2. For me personally I'd invite them to be a house clan. Runamonk is a fantastic hard working man with a great temperament. If i was asked if they should be a house clan i'd vote yes on the proviso of number 1.

anyway just one stally opinion

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	BearPack:	My names Bearpack, and I support this message.
	RuineD:	+1

[mGGNemesis]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

On the topic of IXL, i actually gave them the benefit of the doubt and set up a page for them a long time back in Jan. http://www.sc2sea.com/view_ixlhome.htm I told IXLives to msg me when its ready and their info was added in. In fact, most of it is already done. IXLives told me to wait on announcing it because they were creating their own new site. Recent immaturity from their members who have no clue what went on have made me reconsider.

If I understand this right, IXL was given the chance and invited to be a House Clan but somehow something didn't quite work out or delayed. If nirvana did give them the opportunity in Jan (and it is Aug) now, then it will be unfair to say that nirvana has not given them the opportunity or denied an invite for them to be a House Clan.

Perhaps people in IXL has to relook at this and if the members didn't know about this opportunity, and hence saying they weren't invited or allowed to be a house clan, to perhaps find out why they didn't know about it when the above shows that they were indeed invited early this year?

Just my 2 cents from what I understand from reading above and all the comments made.

In general I think clans (new or ones starting to get involved) should have a certain period of time shown to be active before applying or getting approval for being a house clan. It has happened one time too often when we see a clan go all excited and hyped only to die or just go inactive/not living up to its promise in 1-3 months. Perhaps a period of 3-5 months so that community can get to know them before being considered for house clan?

I have often directed players to sc2sea.com to check out the various house clans and pointed out the various clans around. So a stringent condition before acceptance to be one doesn't seem wrong as it might be embarrassing when someone checks only to find that a clan has actually gone inactive or the information not updated and hence prospective players were unable to contact certain clans etc.

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	SLCN.CautioN:	is 2 cents a thing now
	mGGDaedalus:	with enough we'll soon have a dollar
	RuineD:	we've been asking for house clan for months. it was offered in january, not recently lol.
	syfChase:	The more 2 cents the richer the quality of discussion :)

[nGenLight]

I remember a particular incident involving IXL and mGG that displayed an extreme level of immaturity of IXL members. But this was a while back, and I'm sure a few bad cookies do not represent the entire clan. Their leadership, albeit feisty and young, do act like they portray good values and are heading towards the right direction.

[zenabi]

Honestly, before i read all of this I had nothing against IXL, and still don't with the majority. I just believe that the way some members are talking to nirvana, who without him we wouldn't have this site to create house clans, which i believe is wrong.
Ok so IXL have asked and asked and asked and yes, maybe it should have been acted upon sooner, but the way in which some members have reacted lately in this thread does not help your cause.
I have nothing against IXL and hope to see them continue to be active within the SEA scene, I just think that some players are taking their frustrations out the wrong way.
I remember back when I was leader of NaZGaming and we got house clan status. Its hard work, and I personally feel IXL have been around long enough to serve as a house clan, I mean (not meaning to point fingers) but Solarity became a house clan, despite actions taking by members of their clan smurfing and other things as well

*rant ended, please don't hate me

[nGenLight]

IXL Justin Bieber actually gets quite angry, and is probably 90% responsible for your clan's shitty image.

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RuineD:

:D

[FSBenAD]

Well Im glad the things started to get productive in this thread, when I started reading it I was getting worried!

Anyway I do think we should have a clean out of the house clans (to remove the ones which are gone now). Not only does this reduce clutter, it would really help new people to sc2sea. Right now there is a whole lot of clans listed which have been gone for a while and it could be hard for them to tell. And once you find one in inactive, you end up not "trusting" the system (ie stop looking at the others).

And this probably isnt the right thread, but I still think that at some point we need a better way of talking between clan leaders, we have a lot of responsibility to help sc2 grow in SEA and helping each other grow. It would also probably stop half the shit fights we see...

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	sR.Kumo:	For that I'd suggest a private "clan leader" sub forum, or a large skype group chat ;P
	ThatGuyDoMo:	I second this motion
	syfRize:	thirded
	mGGDrGooSe:	Indeed. Always meant to get one going before last SEACL anyway. But you know, I suck. So...
	Seffy:	SC2SEA needs a Clan Council. Made up of clan leaders, and site admins and mods.
	VorteX:	I agree with CrayonPop and BenAD and everyone here in this post :P There should be like a Private Clan "Meeting" Room.

[mGGJuggerGOOSE]

King Arthur (Nirvana) and his knights (clan leaders) of the round table (Private Forum)

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	syfRize:	I'm the only knight needed :D
	sR.Kumo:	shhh SouL, it's okay, no need to be sad that you're not the first Knight in NirvAnA's heart...

[mGGJuggerGOOSE]

Are any of these house clans still active? Mineski, Terror Australis, SPR, aLt, Hyding Breed and Solarity?
EDIT: and OS

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	mGGNemesis:	not sure about mineski and spr but sR has definitely disbanded
	OSL0rd:	OS is still here, but due to recent incidents and schedules with exams not much is going on.

[TCPDecas]

I dont really know any of the Clans other than NairX and eMp, they both seem to be sizable mature clans from what I have seen of them in the sea scene. I have met some of eMp guys on ladder and afterwards had a great discussion about our game. Good luck for all the clans under consideration.

Allez TCP

[SLCN.Wally]

Originally Posted by mGGAbyssal

Are any of these house clans still active? Mineski, Terror Australis, SPR, aLt, Hyding Breed and Solarity?
EDIT: and OS

Clearly you don't watch OSrusher's stream

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	ThatGuyDoMo:	OSPixel as well :D
	mGGJuggerGOOSE:	I actually havent ever seen those names before. :( I will keep an eye out in the future
	OSL0rd:	Reminder again, Rusher is not part of OS anymore. Pixel is thou. Still "enjoying" ladder.

[ToRSpookToR]

ToR is active

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FLuX:

ToR unofficially disbanded m8 bad luck announcement next week sometime

[SLCN.CautioN]

Originally Posted by mcaspook

ToR is active

Yes... yes it is

[s_todd]

You know, i remember when people played StarCraft because it was fun, not because they wanted there clans to be a "house clan". Like seriously, does being a house clan or not really going to make you a better clan? Its just a game guys, remember that so chill...
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"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen."

[SLCN.CautioN]

Originally Posted by s_todd

Its just a game guys, remember that so chill...

ooooooooooooooo

[s_todd]

Originally Posted by SLCN.CautioN

ooooooooooooooo

Got dem good haha
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"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen."

[FStitanium]

Just something off my mind, house clans do bring the community closer and more interesting. However, i do realised that some of the house clans are inactive for quite some time. Maybe the admins should look into that to consider removing them as house clans and include those newly active clans in.. I think this would be fair for everyone.

Ps: Don't take my word for it, I could be wrong. In the end, everyone just want a better community.

[SLCN.ARze]

Originally Posted by TCPDecas

I dont really know any of the Clans other than NairX and eMp, they both seem to be sizable mature clans from what I have seen of them in the sea scene. I have met some of eMp guys on ladder and afterwards had a great discussion about our game. Good luck for all the clans under consideration.

Allez TCP

Good to hear that Decas

While we may be one of the newer clans around, we definitely have been making a strong effort to be active in the SEA community. The clan officers have actively seeked out clan wars for the team and there has been positive support surrounding them. Many thanks to our leader ttGx for his efforts and has also organized several in house tournaments for the clan.

Hopefully we continue to grow, but we are also cautious about getting too large too fast and will be actively watching out for players that are BM in the clan. Thanks for considering us as a house clan!

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eCKoa`ProzeR:

Yay! Support from other clans! :D

[eCKoa`ProzeR]

Hopefully eMp becomes a house clan

[s_todd]

Originally Posted by eMp.RavensScout

Hopefully eMp becomes a house clan

This would be nice, but with or without house clan privileges i believe we can still make a influence to the SEA community.
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"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen."

[eCKoa`ProzeR]

Originally Posted by s_todd

This would be nice, but with or without house clan privileges i believe we can still make a influence to the SEA community.
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"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen."

Yeah I know that, but like I think being a house clan will have new people or other people know us faster

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SLCN.ARze:

indeed, not getting house clan wont be a negative for us, but getting it will be a positive in our grown :)

[ToRRedemption]

I've heard several people in ToR say to me that Nairx members were bming ToR members because of some clan war? Im not too sure on the details as to why but all i know is that Nairx doesn't seem as good mannered when you go deeper, on top of this when i suggested going to the leader i was told the leader condones this sort of behavior. Now im not entirely sure if it is really true, but if it is insight you wanted, here it is.

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eCKoa`ProzeR:

eMp FTW! no bm :D haha

[mGGDaedalus]

I also have a useful and relevant opinion.

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ToRRedemption:

you feel as included as i do?

[SLCN.CautioN]

Anyone remember the blog with Xmoon about mgg?

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TCPLemminks:

I thought mGG were nice, but then I took a Zeratuel too the knee

[Cute]

Yeah, take off the wT clan, very inactive

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ROOTPetraeus:

RIP wT

[VB_bayak]

mGG very bm clan haha I mean really yhall have a cookiemonsta .... I would be intimidated as well rofl

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mGGNemesis:

care he reads this and steals all those cookies :P

[syfChase]

Jumping back on topic here.. I've experienced some of the negativity between IXL and mGG as a member of the later, but I do know that Runamok is a very hardworking leader who's really done great things for the community. I remember about 8 months ago chatting to him while we both were waiting for out opponents in a wT weekly and he mentioned that he had great plans for the SEA scene and he has been doing some amazing things, many of which had been funded by himself. Also an entertaining stream to watch

I did have some doubts during the mess that occurred a while ago, but I haven't heard of too much drama since then, and just remember that a few individuals does not represent an entire clan altogether, as we can see from the posts here from other members of The Ninth Legion. In my personal opinion it's unfair that an entire clan can be represented by the actions of a few, but the SEA community is so cliquey and close that things like such unfortunately do stick.
There was some misunderstanding between Lives and the members of the clan who misguidedly attacked nirvAnA about the house clan status of IXL which I can understand their argument not knowing of the previous arrangement but I disagree of the way they presented it.

Concerning NairX
I haven't really experienced any bm or negativity first hand, but in my ladder experiences against their players I often can meet game where my gl hf isn't returned or a gg isn't typed before leaving the game, this obviously barely means anything and is nowhere near trying to discredit them, some players are a pleasure to play with, I'm just adding my experiences to the discussion as they could tie in with other's experiences as well.
But it definitely is wayyy too soon to jump to conclusions on whether they should be a house clan or not, I think leaving the topic for a month or so to see how active they are and further experience their activity is a good idea.

eMp I know are quite active and most of the players are a pleasure to play when I encounter them, they're very friendly and are a very powerful force in the SEA scene. Definitely one to consider!

From what I've heard ToP aren't as serious as those may think, just a bunch of high level guys who practice together, not really structured, I heard from a clan mate that their founder isn't really that dedicated either, but then again I could be wrong

Unsure about the other clans under consideration because I haven't really heard of them!

Also agree in archiving the names of disbanded/inactive clans such as wT and Mineski to reduce clutter and help navigation for new members of the site, why isn't the little FaDe symbol up there anyway? I idolized FaDe alongside nGen when I was a newbie
Also the consideration of Hydying Breed as a House Clan when it's consisting of only 2 members seems a little bit iffy to me, but I'm not one to judge as I'm not completely up to speed with the sc2sea events and tournaments and it's a decision that has been finalized.

Sorry for the massive post.. but hey, the more to contribute the better
My 1 cent! (Too poor to afford to give away 2 cents)

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	SLCN.ARze:	thanks for the support!
	Narse:	*lends a cent and +1*
	nirvAnA:	Need more posts like this discussing the clans under consideration. Thanks!
	Seffy:	Chase #1
	eCKoa`ProzeR:	<3 Chasu

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Chasu

Jumping back on topic here.. I've experienced some of the negativity between IXL and mGG as a member of the later, but I do know that Runamok is a very hardworking leader who's really done great things for the community. I remember about 8 months ago chatting to him while we both were waiting for out opponents in a wT weekly and he mentioned that he had great plans for the SEA scene and he has been doing some amazing things, many of which had been funded by himself. Also an entertaining stream to watch

I did have some doubts during the mess that occurred a while ago, but I haven't heard of too much drama since then, and just remember that a few individuals does not represent an entire clan altogether, as we can see from the posts here from other members of The Ninth Legion. In my personal opinion it's unfair that an entire clan can be represented by the actions of a few, but the SEA community is so cliquey and close that things like such unfortunately do stick.
There was some misunderstanding between Lives and the members of the clan who misguidedly attacked nirvAnA about the house clan status of IXL which I can understand their argument not knowing of the previous arrangement but I disagree of the way they presented it.

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status in January. This was pretty much straight after that issue with mGG and a few of our members, Nirvana was told about it, and even after that he refused to even mention IXL throughout the sc2sea awards at all, despite forming that year, gaining a pretty strong lineup/community of players, and doing extremely well in seacl. This was confirmed by Lives yesterday. It never happened.

As for the negativity between mGG and IXL. It goes both ways. I went to a LAN in Brisbane, and while I played, I was shit talked by one of the people in your clan. I called him out, he denied it, sure, don't believe me because mGG are the good guys, and we're the "omg incredible BM IXL guys". My brother and one of my best mates was in the room at the time of it happening, and I wasn't even given a chance to speak after he denied it, the blog was simply closed. That is what happens with this site, everyone remembers the few IXL guys that poked a bit of fun at some mGG players, but as soon as mGG does it, it's the IXL player making up a bunch of bullshit. The double standards are absolutely ******* ridiculous. If you're going to talk shit, expect to be called out, and at least admit to it. That's how it is, we shouldn't need to sugarcoat everything.

But it's fine. I don't want to be a house clan on this site anymore. It's a waste of time even being recognised when Nirvana isn't even a part of the community anymore. Rather than realizing which clans deserve deserve what, he's off playing around with his travel website....

[Hwangje]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status in January. This was pretty much straight after that issue with mGG and a few of our members, Nirvana was told about it, and even after that he refused to even mention IXL throughout the sc2sea awards at all, despite forming that year, gaining a pretty strong lineup/community of players, and doing extremely well in seacl. This was confirmed by Lives yesterday. It never happened.

As for the negativity between mGG and IXL. It goes both ways. I went to a LAN in Brisbane, and while I played, I was shit talked by one of the people in your clan. I called him out, he denied it, sure, don't believe me because mGG are the good guys, and we're the "omg incredible BM IXL guys". My brother and one of my best mates was in the room at the time of it happening, and I wasn't even given a chance to speak after he denied it, the blog was simply closed. That is what happens with this site, everyone remembers the few IXL guys that poked a bit of fun at some mGG players, but as soon as mGG does it, it's the IXL player making up a bunch of bullshit. The double standards are absolutely ******* ridiculous. If you're going to talk shit, expect to be called out, and at least admit to it. That's how it is, we shouldn't need to sugarcoat everything.

But it's fine. I don't want to be a house clan on this site anymore. It's a waste of time even being recognised when Nirvana isn't even a part of the community anymore. Rather than realizing which clans deserve deserve what, he's off playing around with his travel website....

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[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered

100% guaruntee



This is the default template, take the words in it with a pinch of salt.

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status

?????????????


Do you realise its the few members like you who continue to give IXL the reputation they do not deserve? The few of you are directly responsible for damaging your clan, even at this point when the rest are trying to adopt a positive attitude and move on, you end up bringing them down. Even at this stage when your own members and various members on the fourm have spoken out about your behaviour and how they feel some have given them this image, you are still in a state of denial.

You guys hurt the image of your clan, the reputation of good members in IXL who do not deserve that label and you ruin Runamok's efforts who many have mentioned is a good leader who works hard for this clan.

And now that you're representing Av you aren't making them look good as well. Imagine if their sponsors look at this page, how would it make them feel? You have to be more responsible for your actions, they do not reflect just you, they reflect the image of your clan and now the image of your team because you represent them. Scaring away sponsors is something bad for the whole scene and not just you or your clan.

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Chasu has set the thread back on course so lets stick to that and spend the rest of this thread discussing the clans up for consideration.

eMp is looking very suitable now.

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VorteX:

Well Nirvana has provided evidence to suggest that IXL was offered house clan Status.

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status in January

What happened at the very end of December that made you change your mind? The small issue with about 3 of our members. If not, why were we never mentioned at all in the sc2sea awards that YOU made specifically?

Not once in this thread have I made myself, or IXL look bad, and ESPECIALLY Avant, I don't even know why you would even mention them. I'm arguing our case when at this stage, there is no point anymore. It's wrong to judge a whole clan based on a few members. If I did that, I'd think all of aLt were a bunch of dickheads, but they aren't. Just one person.

This is my last post here.

[sR_Osiris]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

If I did that, I'd think all of aLt were a bunch of dickheads, but they aren't. Just one person.

you just made IXL seem bitchy....

[nirvAnA]

the point is obviously not the word January, but the claim that you were never offered house clan status. you said it never happened which was just a straight up lie, or statement you did not bother to verify before making and passing off as truth.

Lives said he wanted to set up his own site so he didn't proceed with creating the thread required for being a house clan and he did not message me again after that last interaction. If he was interested I'll assume he would have sent me another message but he seemed excited and content with developing his new site.

You weren't in the sc2sea awards and neither were many clans or people. It is not an indication of any 'vendetta' to you or the people not included. There are not enough awards to go around the whole community and they are not given out every to single person. Awards are meant to recognize the best and in fact IXLSaviour picked up a new rookie of the year nominee which was well deserved. the awards btw went through our moderator group on skype and other admin groups several times before they were finalised.

Just like infractions happen not because there is some weird vendetta but because people have broken forum rules and deserve the infractions. You have to stop justifying things not going your way with some twisted logic and accept them for what they are.

Its sad you have to resort to personally attacking people instead of focusing on addressing the issues at hand. I'm just going to ignore that second last paragraph of yours . Its good that was your last post, lets see if the thread can get back on track now to evaluating potential house clans.

[fray`Alpha]

As a couple other people have been saying, I agree that some archiving of the old House clans would be good at this point. I'd also suggest a straight up minimum amount of time that the clan has been around on sc2sea (as in their first clan thread or something) before being able to apply/join as in in house clan. 3-6 months or so. I think this sort of straight up rule would help weed out alot of the clans who wont be sticking around.

NairX iv had 2 cases of bm, one small one medium. But nothing major. Those have been my only real reactions with them so I don't have too much to say on them.

eMp I think at this point are pretty well deserving. I had a couple small instances with them at first that left me with a slightly negative opinion of them. But over time, and after more interaction with some of their players, I think they are doing well and adding to the SEA community and my opinion of them has definitely gone up.


IXL:

IXL I've always had very mixed feelings on. Some of the players I really like. I practice with and talk with them, some a little some alot. Others though, well I can completely understand why IXL has a bad rep. I find alot of the problem is what Editor N Chimp (one of the IXL members I feel I have a good relationship with btw) said. That basically the more vocal people from IXL also happen to be the more BM members. This means that the majority of the communities interaction with IXL players isn't great.

I can see why the admins wouldn't be keen on adding IXL as an in house clan when most of the interactions that members of the sc2sea community have with IXL players is this dumb bs. In the last few months, there has been less and less of these occurrences and I think that they have been doing well at starting to loose that BM rep (but the reactions by some of the IXL guys to this topic is enough to show how fast that can change). But the other side with fixing the reputation is although the BM has been cutting down, the IXL positive players havn't really been growing in the community. As EditorNChimp said, the IXL guys are feeling less keen on posting because of past behaviors, but by not being as active in the community, its harder for people to get over their past impressions of IXL's bm.

I can definitely see why sc2sea might be hesitant about adding IXL to the in house clan. Though I feel sorry for all the guys who aren't to blame on IXL, and for Runamok (who might get on my nerves at time but in general I would say is a good leader and a positive person to have in the scene), that they are being brought down from a smaller group of their members behaviors. I hope more of the people in the clan who don't act in that way get more involved in the sc2sea community. Once they do my vote (if we had one) would definitely be for them to join as a house clan. But as is with the more vocal coming from this group of players causing issues. I can't say I'd support them getting it as is.

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

As for the negativity between mGG and IXL. It goes both ways. I went to a LAN in Brisbane, and while I played, I was shit talked by one of the people in your clan. I called him out, he denied it, sure, don't believe me because mGG are the good guys, and we're the "omg incredible BM IXL guys". My brother and one of my best mates was in the room at the time of it happening, and I wasn't even given a chance to speak after he denied it, the blog was simply closed. That is what happens with this site, everyone remembers the few IXL guys that poked a bit of fun at some mGG players, but as soon as mGG does it, it's the IXL player making up a bunch of bullshit. The double standards are absolutely ******* ridiculous. If you're going to talk shit, expect to be called out, and at least admit to it. That's how it is, we shouldn't need to sugarcoat everything.

But it's fine. I don't want to be a house clan on this site anymore. It's a waste of time even being recognised when Nirvana isn't even a part of the community anymore. Rather than realizing which clans deserve deserve what, he's off playing around with his travel website....

I said it in your blog and I'll say it again here. When a friend of mine was asking me if your good (in the context of can you beat King Kong) I said no. I said you were shit. I said I was shit. I said every one at that LAN other (once again my self included) was shit but for 3 players (Forbz, NXZ and KingKong).

It wasn't me pointing you out and shit talking you. It was my answering a friend of mine that those 3 players I named where a ton ahead of everyone else at that LAN. I didn't deny saying any thing bad about you. I just denied that you think I'm pointing you out and shit talking you when I WAS SAYING EVERY ONE THERE WAS SHIT IN COMPARISON TO THOSE PLAYERS. Don't need to get your feelings so hurt cause I didn't say 'Malice is an amazing player and his totally gonna own KK.'

You need to get over it..... And the whole "I don't want to be a house clan on this site anymore." reminded me of what one of my younger brothers use to say every time he didn't get something he wanted. Just saying brought a smile to my face.

BTW if you want to talk to me some more about the Brisbane LAN some more feel free to add me on skype: Alistair.McDowall1 and we can talk about it some more there. This thread probs isn't the best place for it.


EDIT @MezJE: In January I wouldnt have called Malice infinitely better then me. He hadnt done any thing that impressed me as a player. And from what I had seen he was not at the level of those 3 players. Is that concept so hard to grasp?


EDIT @Malice: That was my opinion at the time. Forbz stood out to me. You at the time had never once stood out to me. When Forbz decided to actully try he played damn well. Hell both of his games were ridiculously close with King Kong (one of them came down to a single fungal, the other he had the supply lead for the majority of the game)..... your games with King Kong were your rushes getting crushed completely 1 sided.

I found Forbz a better player then you because he stood out alot more to me then you ever had. If you really cant get over this then you got some serious ego issues. If I had called Forbz shit, I can tell you now he wouldn't be holding onto it this long being this but hurt as you are. At the time you didnt impress me as a player. Get over it.

Quick Comments

	ThatGuyDoMo:	I was with Alpha when his happened, he speaks the truth
	MezjE:	Comparing other players to children when you call someone infinitely better than you shit lmao clueless
	syfSoundwave:	At the time MezjE I'd say Alpha might have been better than Malice, Malice only got super good in the past couple months
	syfChase:	MezjE, Alpha said it in comparison to the likes of Kingkong and NXZ, not a comparison between himself and Malice
	Seffy:	Context Mezje. Context. -.-
	mGGJuggerGOOSE:	Why are you guys arguing about 1 person being offended, he said: EVERY-ONE IS SHIT, we should all be feeling offended
	Malice:	I have never dropped a game to Forbz. Forbz had the easiest bracket in that tournament and got a free run to wb finals.

[Montycarlo]

If its such a small count of offending members, then why hasn't the banhammer/timeout been used just on those individuals? The clan leader(s) should be working with you if you have a problem with them to reach a penalty, but you're isolating them.

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nirvAnA:

great point

[RuineD]

Originally Posted by Montycarlo

If its such a small count of offending members, then why hasn't the banhammer/timeout been used just on those individuals? The clan leader(s) should be working with you if you have a problem with them to reach a penalty, but you're isolating them.

see you on the other side

[mGGNemesis]

I think eMp has stabilized heaps as a clan and their leaders are active to maintaining a good image (removing map hackers from their roster etc) and approaching clans actively for clanwars etc. I have seen them from the start when a group of them wanting to be more involved in the community, separated from another clan and making the changes they seek actively. I think eMp has come far enough to be recognised that they are deserving and can be a good house clan. I have met some members who are a little bm (usually in team games) but in general, I think they are fine.

ToP after some initial hype has since almost disappeared with their leaders, I heard, have mostly all gone missing. Most of their active members have since been since leaving them and joining other clans e.g. Tribe ->DGTV, Zen went back to AxS, some others to eMp etc

NairX, I feel started off with a good presentation but has yet to actually stabilize as a clan actually active on sc2sea or in the community in general. Except for Oclel I dun really see any other members interacting on sc2sea or in the community in general. Even then I haven't seen Oclel for a while. Opinions about this clan is generally mixed.

Hope this helps with the consideration for these clans.

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	SLCN.ARze:	<3
	syfChase:	Nem #1 glorious leader
	eCKoa`ProzeR:	<3 Nem
	eMp.distyL:	Thanks Nem, <3

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by mGGNemesis

NairX, I feel started off with a good presentation but has yet to actually stabilize as a clan actually active on sc2sea or in the community in general. Except for Oclel I dun really see any other members interacting on sc2sea or in the community in general. Even then I haven't seen Oclel for a while. Opinions about this clan is generally mixed.

Oclel disappeared basically after a few of us had an argument with him on chat.

Basically, him and another person were having a pretty big argument in sc2sea chat. There was myself and a few other members on there and we all told both of them to stop or take it to PMing and while one listened, Oclel decided to start on us as well. He was talking a lot of crap really, and we even told him that he wasn't really being any more mature than the person he was arguing with anyway by retaliating.

Clearly he went mod/10 and it got too frustrating for us to deal with, so we just decided to retaliate back. Yeah, us in chat at that time could have done better.. but seriously he was a big douche and we all just ignored him after a couple of minutes. Since then, he's disappeared. I admit, we were at our own fault for retaliating.. but he brought it upon himself anyway, and dug himself a hole.

With regards to other members, I hear cases of them being BM as shit here and there about a day or two after they posted their own thread. So I can't really say much.

TL;DR: Leader's a douche.

[FSBenAD]

Im obviously not as active in terms of playing games, but my clan members let me know if they run into any issues.

Regardless my biggest concern is that that being a House Clan actually means something and thus isn't just a given cause you are a clan on SEA. I know this isn't the case, so I am not suggesting it is at all, I am just saying that with an eye to the future and evaluated clans.

I think a minimum activity point is a great idea. Too many clans come in with a blaze and then go away within a month or two. We want committed clans and ones that are willing to put the long term effort in.

If the rules were clearer on what the requirements are to be a house clan, it might also help some of the frustration. I know thats the point of this thread, so again I am just writing my thoughts without any accusations on the current system

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	Seffy:	Pretty much this.
	VorteX:	Bascially this, what Ben says in this Post.
	nirvAnA:	sums up the ideas in the op more concisely than i was able to. thank you!

[SLCNPezz]

Rofl seriously who cares this thread is the biggest joke

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	syfRize:	pezz #1 meanie
	ThatGuyDoMo:	shots fired
	RuineD:	so is your lack of ROCCAT apparel
	Pox:	TRUTH HURTS
	asdfSchnitzel:	Dat pezz

[eMp.distyL]

Thank you to everyone's comments regarding eMp,
Myself and our other members are really happy at the direction and being nominated for the House Clan.

I feel i'm not in a position to cast a vote or give any comments regarding any of the teams up for it as it might be bias and i was always told if you have nothing nice to say don't say nothing

I wish all teams the very best!

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hayr0b:

You guys more than deserve it ^^ eMp's members certainly have a positive vibe, i saw that from how chatty they are ^^

[tribewarfer]

"ToP after some initial hype has since almost disappeared with their leaders, I heard, have mostly all gone missing. Most of their active members have since been since leaving them and joining other clans e.g. Tribe ->DGTV, Zen went back to AxS, some others to eMp etc" Great Leader Nem of mgg.

Most people i know of who left TOP was because of the management of TOP was not good enough,eg finding clan wars for members. With Narix most of the guys who i play seem pretty manner. I agree with Stal that small events can have a bad rep with in a clan.

[x5.RunaMoK]

Look this is the last thing that needs to be said on this thread.

There was a huge communication error in which lead to a result of IXL players feeling singled out.
I wont go into details but obviously this wasn't the case. House clan status was granted to IXL at the beginning of January this year and obviously we didn't get the memo and somethings where lost in the mail when the majority of our focus was the new site.


That being said I'm personally going to work with Nirvana on this and have the mess sorted out in the coming days.
Then we can finally present to you our House clan page and be apart of the greater community that is sc2sea.

So i would ask now, for those who have bickering questions to re-frame or hold them because the truth is not all the information was presented and to take sides would simply be irrational.


Here's to looking to the future.

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	sR.Kumo:	I hope you manage to sort everything out, and get your House Clan page up sometime soon! ^_^
	VorteX:	Also i do hope you get everything sorted out and back on track! Than leave this all behind to start afresh! :)

[RicocheT]

I believe we should remove mGG as a house clan.
Simply because with the stepping down of Goose, Nem is now leader of mGG.
And WE ALL KNOW, Nemesis is the epitome of true evil...
Don't say I didn't warn you when sc2sea burns to the ground.

Okay on a serious topic as well, eMp I've seen a few of the chaps around, seem like decent enough lads. Maybe a bit bm at times, but then who isn't bm at times. They also seem to be rather active in the sc2sea scene which doesn't hurt their cause one bit.

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	mGGNemesis:	OI! u so mean :'( </3
	VorteX:	lols

[Lokth]

wait, Nem is now the leader of mGG? Oh gawd! PURGE THEM! PURGE THEM!

[VorteX]

Originally Posted by Lokth

wait, Nem is now the leader of mGG? Oh gawd! PURGE THEM! PURGE THEM!

Nem always has been a mGG leader!!

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by VorteX

Nem always has been a mGG leader!!

Definitely well deserved, I couldn't think of anyone better

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	mGGNemesis:	<3
	VorteX:	Yep...of course :)

[IXLives]

I just wanted to make a brief statement to help provide a little perspective, I'll understand if this post is deleted for topic's sake.

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Lives said he wanted to set up his own site so he didn't proceed with creating the thread required for being a house clan and he did not message me again after that last interaction.

My intention in the previously mentioned messages was to give a quick heads up on what we had planned and why we weren't going to be putting the thread up immediately, in a bid to display a willingness to cooperate. Not to advertise our site or suggest that we no longer wanted to be a house clan. With a lot going on I assumed that, with all the other required info having been filled out, our member activity, clan forum threads and said site release (and other events/media linking to sc2sea) would show we still wanted that house spot.

I see now that my failure to clearly communicate, a long with Runamok and myself's further failure to post a clear official clan thread, was a mistake. For that I would like to apologise.

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nirvAnA:

ty for the clarification!

[Thoth]

Originally Posted by ToRSpartaz

Definitely well deserved, I couldn't think of anyone better

Neither could I. Anyways, on topic; I agree with the time restriction ali brought up, as it judges a clan by activity and not any other aspect (different clans will have a different ethos obviously). I also wish the best of luck to runamok and IXL in getting house clan status, in my mind, they have been around for quite a while and sure, there may have been ups/downs, but I think they deserve it.

~thoth

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mGGNemesis:

thothy!!

[[NairX]Lenessa]

HI guys, im [NairX]Lenessa clan leader of clan NairX. With regards to the thread about NairX not getting into the house clans as well as being placed under consideration for admission into the house clan program I admit that I am sad about this. However, what made me more astounded was the amount of people as who claimed that NairX was a bm clan. Firstly, I do have to admit that I am not a dedicated leader due to my occupation as a student in the architecture industry which requires tons of sleepless nights. Hence, I am unable to commit as much as what other clan leaders can for example mGG and ToR. Secondly, there has been many posts on NairX should not be accepted into the house clan program due to the fact that the clan members bm. I would like to tell those who made those posts that the players are selected carefully before they are allowed into the clan and before entry I will let them know that we see discipline as a first priority as we respect the esports community. We have since removed mikasa who was once a clan member due to his bm to other players as well as other clans. I do wish that there could be a possible collaboration with any clans or players who are willing to help us point out members who are bm as i am unable to check if they are bm-ing unless I am notified( with possible replays or screenshots). I sincerely hope that this form of collaboration could be possible as well as my sincerest apologies to anyone that has been insulted by our clan members. I respect Nirvana's decision to put us under consideration especially when the reputation of NairX is already tainted. As the clan leader,it is my responsibility to act as well as to earn back the respect of the esports community. Once again, I am really sorry. my email is ( Peganixis@hotmail.com) do let me know if there are any bm players in our clan. Thank you!

Best Regards

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	mGGFender:	Please use paragraphs!
	SLCN.ARze:	np
	ToRGreenArchon:	#ToRSleep is my hero.
	FSJhedjuka:	On your profille you should put your contact information, and add a signature saying you are leader. It'll help a lot.

[carmour]

This thread kind of just seems like an excuse to have a bitch about stuff. I've had plenty of BM from people in "reputable" clans and no name clans. As far as I'm concerned, people need to get thicker skin about things like this and not get so easily rustled. Obviously there's a line when BM becomes abuse.. but man some people are so precious. They don't get a glhf or a gg and they're up in arms to protect their rights to be gg'd and glhf'd under the sc2 constitution.

[FSJhedjuka]

Originally Posted by carmour

This thread kind of just seems like an excuse to have a bitch about stuff. I've had plenty of BM from people in "reputable" clans and no name clans. As far as I'm concerned, people need to get thicker skin about things like this and not get so easily rustled. Obviously there's a line when BM becomes abuse.. but man some people are so precious. They don't get a glhf or a gg and they're up in arms to protect their rights to be gg'd and glhf'd under the sc2 constitution.

Sometimes true. To help draw the line between abuse and general lack of manners screenshots and replays need to be shared with the relevant people to help ascertain what the case may be in each individual circumstance. From that, I'm sure the clan management will act accordingly.

In FS we have previously removed players from our roster based on a civil discussion with the other clan's management, and with the players in question. I'll give credit to Lenessa for taking a step in the right direction by posting their contact details publicly and encouraging feedback on issues with NairX players.

Good luck to NairX and I hope that any negative imagery can be dissolved by your hard work over the next few months. Good luck, and have fun.

[[NairX]Lenessa]

In FS we have previously removed players from our roster based on a civil discussion with the other clan's management, and with the players in question. I'll give credit to Lenessa for taking a step in the right direction by posting their contact details publicly and encouraging feedback on issues with NairX players.

Good luck to NairX and I hope that any negative imagery can be dissolved by your hard work over the next few months. Good luck, and have fun.[/QUOTE]

Hey Thank you Jhedjuka, if there is other things that I should do to help remove the negative image of NairX, pls do guide me in this aspect. Thank you once again to you and FS.

[FSJhedjuka]

Originally Posted by [NairX]Lenessa

Hey Thank you Jhedjuka, if there is other things that I should do to help remove the negative image of NairX, pls do guide me in this aspect. Thank you once again to you and FS.

Best advice I can give is to be seen. Be seen often doing something either of benefit to the community, or just taking part as a part of it. Look at the wT weekly, or the Phoenix tournaments, even MoK is coming to fruition with it's landmark tournament this weekend.

If NairX can't run a weekly tournament (Even an internal one - mGG recently had an internal tournament for example), then enter the BSGs, the GPDs, Masters Cups, log onto the forums and say hi to people in chat. Complain about a difficult game. Discuss the recent map-pool changes, be mannered, and if people complain about issues, then .......

...... above all else; MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THEY NEED TO TALK TO YOU DIRECTLY! Make an impromptu blog page as an interim profile for the NairX clan until they get house status. Engage other clan leaders and ask about the possibility of arranging a clan war.

If people start taking you seriously and start dealing with you directly as a clan manager, and see the effort from yourself and your clan to improve on training, participation, even discipline then you will over time be able to eliminate the negative stigma around your clan.

You've made a positive step in posting your email and encouraging feedback. It's up to you to either find the time to build from there, or get a vice-captain who can help you in that process.

On behalf of FS and the MoK team we wish you the best of luck.

[ToRPandarine]

Originally Posted by FSJhedjuka

<snip>

for Best Clan 2013!

#FS4BC2013

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Matt93:

FS numbah wun

[nirvAnA]

removed SPR and added eMp

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syfChase:

Rest in peace Supremacy aka Scissors Paper Rock </3

[syfRize]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

removed SPR and added eMp

Good stuff nirvAnA! They're well deserving ^_^

[mGGNemesis]

Congrats eMp ^_^

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syfChase:

yayay eMp :) sick graphic too!

[VB_Blake]

Congrats eMp, strong clan!