[ZizLah]

get that man some lube because he's been raped.

Brilliant interview, this kind of questioning of politicians is EXACTLY what we need, if we're to make informed opinions about the future of our countrys.

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	Fairyking:	Typical politician never answer shit,
	Norksman:	Rape reference not necessary

[ETL.Branno]

i really dont give a shit about politics but i like this lol

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Bodzilla

get that man some lube because he's been raped.

And thats how to win a thread before it even starts.

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ToRSmotPokingFish:

^^ this!

[dippa]

dont forget this guy's a rhodes scholar too

current state of politics makes me want to tear my dick off, so depressing

[OSPixel]

I have never liked Tony Abbott. this shows just who he is, just lies and lies and lies, Julia is no good either, but ill be stuffed if ill vote Tony Abbott. Liberals change the leader they would win an election easily

[nirvAnA]

I watched the whole video but didn't really get where the ownage was. Maybe cause I don't understand the context or history, can anyone please explain it to me? Thanks!

[dippa]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I watched the whole video but didn't really get where the ownage was. Maybe cause I don't understand the context or history, can anyone please explain it to me? Thanks!

dodging of questions/answering questions that weren't asked and just not shifting away from the talking points - three things leigh sales (journo) kept exposing with the questioning

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	NOM:	and his hands were shaking haha
	ROOT`iaguz:	oh right Deth's a journo student he probably got a massive hard on watching that.

[ZizLah]

politics has been ruined by the media, as weird as that sounds.

in order to compress the arguments into short clips, so they could run other news items that would support their sponsors and backers, they relied on soundbytes.

Politics in australia is nothing but them trying to spout what ever soundbite they think will go more viral and further their agenda.
the truth died a long time ago unfortunately.

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I watched the whole video but didn't really get where the ownage was. Maybe cause I don't understand the context or history, can anyone please explain it to me? Thanks!

She led him with 3 questions detailing where he's grossly miss-informed the public for his agenda and pulled him up short everytime he was wrong. then moves to the question "are politicians playing fast and loose with the truth" to which he responds that julia gillard is, before she pulls him up with the fact that every question he'd answered was completely made up bullshit.

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nirvAnA:

ty!

[NOM]

@iaguz Deth doesn't get a hard on from idiots.

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TAEdgE:

at least we have discovered through this that you are smart nom

[Haza]

Well, all politicians are 'loose with the truth'. Eg: "There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead".

Yes the ABC is biased and if you've seen The Drum forums... very very biased in favour of the left.

Now lets consider 'abbott the idiot' who everyone goes on about as a total idiot unable to manage Australia's economy, well at least Abbott has an economics degree unlike the treasurer who only has one in the arts of all places.. Abbott isn't an idiot, but sometimes the media makes the rhode scholar look like an arse.

Well, that's my opinion at least.

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ETL.ViTaL:

^ The man knows what his talking about

[ikki]

I wish sc2sea had more political discussions

Originally Posted by Haza

Well, all politicians are 'loose with the truth'. Eg: "There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead".

Yes the ABC is biased and if you've seen The Drum forums... very very biased in favour of the left.

Now lets consider 'abbott the idiot' who everyone goes on about as a total idiot unable to manage Australia's economy, well at least Abbott has an economics degree unlike the treasurer who only has one in the arts of all places.. Abbott isn't an idiot, but sometimes the media makes the rhode scholar look like an arse.

Well, that's my opinion at least.

The ABC forums are bias or the station is? (just curious)

I wonder if Abbotts economics degree would have made that mine in SA go ahead?

Abbott isn't unintelligent but he doesn't do himself any favors.

I think swan has done really well all things considered look at Greece and America

[ZizLah]

Originally Posted by Haza

Well, all politicians are 'loose with the truth'. Eg: "There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead".

Yes the ABC is biased and if you've seen The Drum forums... very very biased in favour of the left.

Stop right there.

are you comparing a forum, to a television station?
a television station thats funded with tax money and has no commercial incentives...... as biased?
ABC is hands down one of the best tv stations in the world, and i ask you, what do you think is the ABC's core age/sex demographic and then answer me again whether you think it panders to the left.

The point is that Abbots entire political philosophy is buzzwords, catch phrases which can be quickly recorded and played over commercial radio and TV in 5 second clips, only thing is 95% of the time he's talking out his ass or not letting the truth spoil a good story.

For instance this constant attacks about boat people. People with nothing trying to seek ASYLUM in our country, something that they are more then legally able to do. Then we accept a pitiful amount compared to other major county's in the world and send them to places we're they're legally not seen as human being's because we wanna act tough.
all the while ignoring the fact that 95% of all people here (that actually come here illegally) COME IN ON PLANES on visas and NEVER GO HOME.

But those people with rags on there heads and in rickety boats THEY'RE AUSTRALIAS NUMBER ONE ISSUE.

Jesus i wish people weren't so easily mislead and distracted.

[Haza]

Originally Posted by nicknack

The ABC forums are bias or the station is? (just curious)

No, I used that as an example of how that station facilitates the extremist views of its audience.

Originally Posted by ZizLah

all the while ignoring the fact that 95% of all people here (that actually come here illegally) COME IN ON PLANES on visas and NEVER GO HOME.

Originally Posted by ZizLah

only thing is 95% of the time he's talking out his ass or not letting the truth spoil a good story.

I feel like you're making up statistics 95% of the time.

Originally Posted by ZizLah

ABC is hands down one of the best tv stations in the world

Personal bias is shining through here.

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ETL.ViTaL:

+1

[x5_Bard]

Yeah classic Tony Abbot, doesn't understand basic finance. The reason that the carbon tax increases over years is to deal with inflation, the present value of a tax in 5 years is less than the value given in 5 years time. The increases in the tax are actually quite small.

The problem with Australian politics nirvAnA is the amount of "spin" that politicians put on their arguments/responses. Its very hard to get a straight up detailed response on policy, since most of the politicians generally don't know what they are actually talking about. This interview was a case of that with Tony Abbot having a bunch of information in front of him that he probably hadn't read before the interview and certainly didn't understand. The opposition in Australia has always blatantly tried to block policy for the sake of blocking it, they just ride off public opinion and generally make it difficult for the current government. That being said I'm not a fan of Julia Gillard (the PM) either or the majority of the labor parties policies. I just vote for Independants now, they do the same job that the opposition party is meant to be doing (keep the current government accountable) and due to most specializing in a certain area are able to give detailed, analytical responses with regards for policy rather than getting some minion to write them up a fact sheet to read off.

[ROOT`iaguz]

Southpark once made the joke that politics was effectively a contest between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. In australia that feels particularly valid right now since there's two major parties and they both seem sucky, Liberals seem sucky because they're being led by an incredibly pessimistic and unintelligent dickwad (abbot), and Labor is being led by someone whose having an awfully hard time convincing people she's not a ******* useless backstabber (Gillard).

Pretty much, Abbott spends an awful lot of time pooping on Labor with extreme negativity and when he's caught out on it it's fun to watch him squirm.

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by MFiaguz

Southpark once made the joke that politics was effectively a contest between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. In australia that feels particularly valid right now since there's two major parties and they both seem sucky, Liberals seem sucky because they're being led by an incredibly pessimistic and unintelligent dickwad (abbot), and Labor is being led by someone whose having an awfully hard time convincing people she's not a ******* useless backstabber (Gillard).

Pretty much, Abbott spends an awful lot of time pooping on Labor with extreme negativity and when he's caught out on it it's fun to watch him squirm.

On the topic of Douche or Turd,

VOTE OR DIE BITCH.

Thank **** im not an Australian citizen because compulsory voting is the worst thing to happen in this country since the holocaust

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BaKaiNu:

Holocaust happened in Australia? That's new to me...

[ikki]

edit - nuked -

[eCKo`Tazerenix]

To be fair, even if our political status is totally farcical, we still live in basically the best country on Earth.

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RVLiveR:

we got a proud aussie over here

[ZizLah]

Originally Posted by Tazerenix

To be fair, even if our political status is totally farcical, we still live in basically the best country on Earth.

best country on earth?

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	Demosthenes:	Bahah yeah the whole time i was watching Tony Abbot Crash and burn i was thinking newsroom
	TABottles:	<3 this scene

[x5_dot]

This is how I feel about Tony Abbott: https://www.facebook.com/pages/frien...06582159380758

[FsDronesInJail]

Originally Posted by dippa

current state of politics makes me want to tear my dick off, so depressing

Hah..... you should see America

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inFeZa:

It's not just 2 countries. EVERY country has politics.

[ETL.ViTaL]

Too be honest i think the country would be better with Tony Abbott as leader as I honestly can't name one thing that has gone right under Julia Gillard. The Carbon tax, Australians manufacturing industry and also Asyslum seekers to name a few problematic issues for the government; imo bring back Johnnie!!!

[foxmeep]

Originally Posted by ViTaL

Too be honest i think the country would be better with Tony Abbott as leader as I honestly can't name one thing that has gone right under Julia Gillard. The Carbon tax, Australians manufacturing industry and also Asyslum seekers to name a few problematic issues for the government; imo bring back Johnnie!!!

Remember, this is the guy that wants to scrap the NBN :P

[ETL.ViTaL]

Originally Posted by foxmeep

Remember, this is the guy that wants to scrap the NBN :P

I really think the NBN is a great initiative but it really could be spent better on keeping our manufacturing industries and hospitals and stuff who are always lacking in money.

[TABjornbrandr]

Originally Posted by ViTaL

Too be honest i think the country would be better with Tony Abbott as leader as I honestly can't name one thing that has gone right under Julia Gillard. The Carbon tax, Australians manufacturing industry and also Asyslum seekers to name a few problematic issues for the government; imo bring back Johnnie!!!

Ultra-conservatism for the win. Let's bring back work choices. Let's remove unfair dismissal laws. Let's prioritise non-renewable energy sources and shit the bed when they run out. Let's introduce intelligent design into schools because fundamentalist Christianity revolves around factual arguments. Let's refuse to accept our responsibilities to the environment, mostly those that involve not destroying everything.

Howard was only good for throwing shoes at and hugging whilst holding a screwdriver.

Can't stand major political parties. It's a system that revolves around pitching the most ridiculous fear-mongering arguments in order to convince the people who don't see through the bullshit that you're actually a good guy who really just wants to stop all the nasty illegal immigrants on the boats!

Originally Posted by inFeZa

Thank **** im not an Australian citizen because compulsory voting is the worst thing to happen in this country since the holocaust

If you don't vote you don't have the right to complain about the political parties. Gotta vote or you won't even be able to pretend you're making a difference.

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inFeZa:

You dont have any rights in australia anyway. LOL

[ROOT`iaguz]

The carbon tax isn't shit. Since they got elected, the economic credentials of the Labour government have actually been pretty decent (assuming you ask economists and not the opposition of course). They just ******* suck at telling people this, that's their problem.

As for that other stuff... well idk. I always get the vibe that Abbot's immigration stance seems more about catering to irrational fears then anything else.

[Fairyking]

I find it funny that the opposition try and get them to go with policies that they themselves would not do. Politics is all about who is better in an argument.

[FsDronesInJail]

Originally Posted by ViTaL

imo bring back Johnnie!!!

I miss Jonnie Howard and his televised morning jogs ^^

[fray`Alpha]

Originally Posted by MFiaguz

Southpark once made the joke that politics was effectively a contest between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. In australia that feels particularly valid right now since there's two major parties and they both seem sucky, Liberals seem sucky because they're being led by an incredibly pessimistic and unintelligent dickwad (abbot), and Labor is being led by someone whose having an awfully hard time convincing people she's not a ******* useless backstabber (Gillard).

Pretty much, Abbott spends an awful lot of time pooping on Labor with extreme negativity and when he's caught out on it it's fun to watch him squirm.

Lol I remember watching a debate with Abbot and Rudd a couple years back and all I could think while watching it is Abbott is a snide little turd sandwich and Rudd is a smug giant douche.... welcome to politics.

[Zanderax]

I don't understand when politicians find time to run the country between insulting the other party and kissing the arse of their own party.

Seriously! Stop telling us how the other party sucks and you are amazing and just get on with the country running that we are paying you incredible amounts of money to do.

[ETL.ViTaL]

because thread is titled greatest politician own age ever i think I should post a more appropriate video sorry i don't know how to embed but here:

You Tube

You Tube

I too hate the rubbish that politicians do mocking each other in parliament and making promises that can't possibly keep- the real problem with politics is that it's too political.I do however support the Liberals and Tony Abbott.

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eCKo`Tazerenix:

Blasphemy! How dare you support Abbott

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by ViTaL

because thread is titled greatest politician own age ever i think I should post a more appropriate video sorry i don't know how to embed but here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8rsyg0lkkM

I too hate the rubbish that politicians do mocking each other in parliament and making promises that can't possibly keep- the real problem with politics is that it's too political.I do however support the Liberals and Tony Abbott.

That isnt a very good example (theres probably plenty of better ones out there), Any reasonable person would agree of the two examples given Abott had far more egg on his face by the end, face the facts, The Opposition hangs shit on every policy without offering any solutions/alternatives (other than not do it/scrap it) A Political Party that wont even actively attempt to better the people they represent (Opposition has half the seats) isnt a party I want representing me!

Each to there own though!

[TABjornbrandr]

You Tube

You Tube

Remember this? Went to an election with this as a major topic.

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	eCKo`Tazerenix:	Welcome to Australia!
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[OSPixel]

australia really does need a mining tax, as for the moment we are getting crap all out of our ore. its all going to overseas company's when you see the profit the mining companys make its about time they give a bit more of it to australia. as for the carbon tax, the government needed to show they were trying to do something, as most countrys in the western world have. personally i dont like like either party, but tony abbott is much more hated on my list, just likes to be the guy at the back of the crowd saying how crap all their policies are yet having no good policies himself.

in the end it doesnt matter who you vote for or who gets in. as none of them tell the truth and they will all screw us over eitherway.

[FSPYRo]

When you vote it's not really about voting for the party you want in. It's about doing all you can to make sure the other party stays out.

[eCKo`Tazerenix]

Originally Posted by Zypher

When you vote it's not really about voting for the party you want in. It's about doing all you can to make sure the other party stays out.

Democracy is supposed to be about voting for the representative you like, not the one you hate the least

[AssyrianKing]

The trouble is, they are both shit parties, so we are kind of stuck lol

[ETL.ViTaL]

[dippa]

ABC left-wing bias ... ugh.

every time i hear this it's never been supported by the evidence.

[dippa]

Originally Posted by Haza

Yes the ABC is biased and if you've seen The Drum forums... very very biased in favour of the left.

i disagree with the first premise (most other stations wouldn't bother giving gerard henderson or piers akerman air time, their grovelling is puerile at times) but definitely agree with the second. keep in mind a majority of journalists tended to be in the middle or left of politics anyway.

the drum = centre-left
crikey = slightly more centre-left (bernard keane's stuff is still worth reading though)
the punch = centre-right
national times = centre but slight leaning one way or the other depending on the individual journalist (peter hartcher more towards the right, lenore taylor slightly to the left for example)
the conversation = centre-left

there are actually very few sites/publications that lean totally one way or the other (larry pickering, for example, would obviously be towards the far right and the nsw greens somewhere left of stalin)

just as a reference for anyone who's interested