[YJY]

Originally Posted by Alderaan

If you don't mind sharing, i'd like to ask - how did he contact you to talk to you and what is the arrangement exactly? Because it seems like he talked to you, posted that thread on TL and is MIA again without really giving anyone else any answers, including his staff and team (like they're saying on TL).

We spoke through a call in skype, and he apologised about what has happened. He said that he will compensate me for flights and accommodation, and I responded by telling him if you do fix not just myself but EVERYONE who has been victims, then I myself will consider this situation resolved.

I am waiting for the next few days to pan out. I have a few insiders telling me what is happening, so I will do my best to keep the community informed. I understand that his letter of apology is not fulfilling; I will judge him by his future actions.

[Alderaan]

Originally Posted by YJY

We spoke through a call in skype, and he apologised about what has happened. He said that he will compensate me for flights and accommodation, and I responded by telling him if you do fix not just myself but EVERYONE who has been victims, then I myself will consider this situation resolved.

I am waiting for the next few days to pan out. I have a few insiders telling me what is happening, so I will do my best to keep the community informed. I understand that his letter of apology is not fulfilling; I will judge him by his future actions.

I see, thanks for the update. I hope that, at the very least, your issues will be resolved. Will be checking this thread...

[FaDeBadger]

His thread didn't really answer much. Sure he apologised for everything, but his "However, there were a few complications associated with funding" doesn't cut it as an explanation for me. IPL paid him/them, they were supposed to take Targa anyway, they should have had the money.

[aztecx]

Obviously it's a very different situation if you're actually implicated directly, and I know if I was in YoonYJ's situation I'd probably continue supporting Gus in the hope that I get paid, but from my current outsider perspective I believe that there is 0 chance he is ever going to pay YoonYJ, and very little chance he is going to pay most of the other people he owes. By January chances are this whole situation will blow over, and do you still think he's going to be making back-payments to a player he obviously has proven to have very little respect for?

He's a typical conman and is completely full of shit. Currently he's just feeding people false hope, and in reality it's him who's got everyone by the balls, not the other way around.

Another thing is I'm not sure there are any legal implications for him in regards to not paying YoonYJ. It's actually kind of funny because I don't think much of the debt is in his name, he had everyone else sign contracts for him.

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PiG:

good points

[YJY]

Originally Posted by aztecx

Obviously it's a very different situation if you're actually implicated directly, and I know if I was in YoonYJ's situation I'd probably continue supporting Gus in the hope that I get paid, but from my current outsider perspective I believe that there is 0 chance he is ever going to pay YoonYJ, and very little chance he is going to pay most of the other people he owes. By January chances are this whole situation will blow over, and do you still think he's going to be making back-payments to a player he obviously has proven to have very little respect for?

He's a typical conman and is completely full of shit. Currently he's just feeding people false hope, and in reality it's him who's got everyone by the balls, not the other way around.

If he does not pay me, it does not effect me financially. Please don't think I am supporting him because I am trying to get paid. If this was the case I would have threatened him of my initial post privately, as it is the smarter thing to do. I am more concerned about the current people in the Philippines receiving help financially rather than I, and that is why I accepted Feb.

[ZraF]

I admire your attitude towards him Yoon, despite you being one of the people being affected the most, and I do believe in second chances to an extent. I really don't mind accepting him back as part of the community and i wouldn't be mad at him at all; but again I think being a big tournament organizer or a team owner is too big of a responsibility for someone with a tainted past.

Assuming Sundance(MLG) or Mr. Chae(GSL) would have been involved in, lets say the Broodwar match fixing scandal, I definitely think that it would affect the respective events they are leading. I just think that it would be the decent move for him just to step down. As a budding community in SEA, I don't think we need this kind of thing to hold us back. There are very competent people already in the community, and probably more people with the potential to put SEA on par with international standards.

[YJY]

Originally Posted by ZraF

I admire your attitude towards him Yoon, despite you being one of the people being affected the most, and I do believe in second chances to an extent. I really don't mind accepting him back as part of the community and i wouldn't be mad at him at all; but again I think being a big tournament organizer or a team owner is too big of a responsibility for someone with a tainted past.

Assuming Sundance(MLG) or Mr. Chae(GSL) would have been involved in, lets say the Broodwar match fixing scandal, I definitely think that it would affect the respective events they are leading. I just think that it would be the decent move for him just to step down. As a budding community in SEA, I don't think we need this kind of thing to hold us back. There are very competent people already in the community, and probably more people with the potential to put SEA on par with international standards.

I completely agree. At the very least, in the near future he will not be trusted or even allowed to run events.

[TAkrunch]

so i hear Gus pulled ye old

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[nGenLight]

Yoon did say he was going to do this very intelligently.

[TCPKiaSu]

that is soooo not cool man...

[TargA]

can i get compensated for giving up my spot to yyj and therefore starting the shitstorm?

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ToRsupapower:

loool

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by RevenantLover

can i get compensated for giving up my spot to yyj and therefore starting the shitstorm?

Then you admit that you started the shitstorm ? We found someone to take liability for all the bills then.

As always, the strangers are the culprits (and he even has a false "suspect of not very Christian behavior" pseudo).

[TargA]

Originally Posted by Nemo

Then you admit that you started the shitstorm ? We found someone to take liability for all the bills then.

As always, the strangers are the culprits (and he even has a false "suspect of not very Christian behavior" pseudo).

haha sure, i can take the blame for ppsl!!! START THE LYNCHING!!

[aztecx]

Someone made a great post on reddit:

"I was unfortunate to deal with these kinds of people before. One time I was pretty badly scammed by a person. It wasn't a large amount of money that I lost, but the whole ordeal took over a year and I wasted a lot of time and energy, causing a lot of frustration. I'm basing my opinion on the post he made on team liquid and the stuff I read from other people who dealt with him. The patterns are pretty clear: completely evading the simple but difficult questions, making convoluted explanations and keep making empty promises. The people who do this are basically sociopaths. Whether or not they actually believe in the bullshit they're a saying I don't know, but they certainly try very hard to make it legit. Most of the times they need people to do stuff for them e.g. put in time and money, and they are extremely convincing.
When it is time to actually deliver on the promises things tends to go very bad. They will keep promising to fix everything and the people that believe this will still receive kindness and time from the person, but the people who quickly on catch to the scam will get harassed sometimes even threatened.
You must understand that these kinds of people will never stop with what they are doing. When they get caught in some kind of industry they will ditch it and switch over to another. So my guess is that he already has some bad history outside of e-sports and will continue somewhere else if this thing doesn't get resolved.
My advice to all the people who got hurt by this is: cut your losses, break ties with this guy and continue on with your life as soon as possible. Don't get emotional invested into it. If he still owes you money make sure that you have proof of this and go a debt collector. Do not get into talks with him. He will keep promising you the money with no intent of paying. Send two payment reminders at most with clear dates on them."

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Nemo:

Excellent advice and analyze of the situation

[SirChristoffee]

I have been a pretty inactive person, but decided to read the OP and a few comments of this thread (was in the news). What a load of shit to have thrown at you as well the SC2 community affected, props to you YoonYJ for handling it like a boss.

[EscapisT]

Bumping this for mainly two reasons:

1.Update
Posted by TheGunrun

Amanda still hasn't yet been paid for the plane tickets, nor have I been paid back yet for bailing Clive out.

Once everything's resolved I'll provide a timeline of events.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...ntpage=51#1010

2.When the milk is split, clean it up
Posted by Sein

It's unfortunate that people's attention on this seems to be dying down because that is exactly what Gus Ledesma wants. This thread needs to be kept up until Gus Ledesma admits to what he's done and cleans up after all the mess he's created.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...ntpage=51#1004

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by mOOnGLaDe

This is a real shame and to be honest quite fucked. He also offered me a spot if i joined his team, which seemed a little weird considering i had heard things about yoon getting dodgy responses from the guy, plus i wasn't about to take a spot i didn't earn.

While i am a 'competitive rival' and i did lose to yoon in the qualifiers :P i definitely feel this is a betrayal and an insult on all of us competing for the spots and i really feel for yoon and want to do whatever i can to make sure this never happens again.

Why do I suddenly get the feeling NEXSickness might have been offered a spot in this tournament as part of his decision to go join a foreign unknown team which seems unlikely to offer him many benefits in Korea.

Just to be clear, I don't see how (unlike Glade) Sickness could have known how accepting that would affect YoonYJ.

And also a lot more respect for glade for not accepting such a ridiculous offer. That is just incredibly biased, to sell out Yoon to try and seduce players onto your team who wouldn't otherwise join...

[Eddie]

Feel really sorry for you YYJ, but i'm certain you'll get many more opportunities so show the world your talent.

Unlike senior AZK management, who seem to have wasted their opportunity.

Hopefully this won't set SEA back to much in terms of global exposure. We have a lot of quality people who i'm sure will continue to improve things, despite the odd set backs from the minority.