[iM MaFia]

Just made a video of my rep analysis for those who are too lazy to download and rewatch the rep themselves. This is of Chobo and Enderr

it's about 30 mins long, so theres alot of random bits but if you guys disagree with any of those points i mentioned in the video please say so
http://www.twitch.tv/xeriamafia/b/320424553



ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.

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[xGKingdelete]

I'm going through this replay and analysing for chobo's benefit, because if he tried to explain himself it would be shut down immediately by everyone. I'm personally undecided if he's hacking or not.

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

Just made a video of my rep analysis for those who are too lazy to download and rewatch the rep themselves. This is of Chobo and Enderr

it's about 30 mins long, so theres alot of random bits but if you guys disagree with any of those points i mentioned in the video please say so
http://www.twitch.tv/xeriamafia/b/320424553



ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.
he was planning to salvage it anyway, that might have been a coincidence

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.
He was just looking at the base, maybe he didn't notice there was gas when he was microing his marines but saw it on the minimap. Decides to look to confirm that the gas is taken. Also, isn't this contradictory to the "camera lock" thing?

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.
he could have assumed that there were overlords in those positions without maphack

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.
if he was maphacking, wouldn't he go for the one on the right of his base, as it's closer? He's checking common spots (the fringes of the map), and coincidentally there are overlords in the common spots. It looks like he wanted to check the edges of the map, from the rally points.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.
he might have assumed there would be a zergling there

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.
Similarly, he could have assumed this.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.
He ran away from the queen, then redid his attack rally to avoid the third base, but went back to the original path (looking at the edges of the map)

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.
His viking flew over that army a few seconds ago

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.
Later in the game, this depo wall dies and he rebuilds it shortly after. It may have been "conveniently" placed the first time, but that might have been coincidence. It looks like something he just does on this map.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.
don't know about this

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.
I don't know about TvZ, but maybe he was just being safe from any counter attack.
Why would he rally to the natural if he knew the attack would come at the 3 depo wall at the fourth?

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.
his viking's path pretty much covers the whole right hand side of the map anyway

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.
he had just completed moving his army to the watchtower, might have just looked at it because he had nothing better to do.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.
He controls his double medivac drop to try and kill any of the lings that killed that scv shortly before. He doesn't see any, and resets the medivacs path to do the drop in the main. He flies over a zergling that was barely out of the medivac's vision while his camera was on the medivacs.
Zergling or overlord, if he noticed he would have cancelled the drop regardless

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.
This is his deathpush, and he wants the units to be rallied offensively

The way that a game appears depends on the viewer's mindset. As many of you believe he is hacking, you will see these moves as evidence. As I'm doing this to defend him, I don't. If anyone else is truely looking for the truth, watch this replay and the others yourself.

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	CHoBo(kice):	ty sir
	Zealo:	pretty much how i saw it

[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by SQL.delete

I'm going through this replay and analysing for chobo's benefit, because if he tried to explain himself it would be shut down immediately by everyone. I'm personally undecided if he's hacking or not.



The way that a game appears depends on the viewer's mindset. As many of you believe he is hacking, you will see these moves as evidence. As I'm doing this to defend him, I don't. If anyone else is truely looking for the truth, watch this replay and the others yourself.

I really appreciate your efforts sir. Thank you muchly I could write my response/POV but it could be quickly turned around and twisted back into my face. It is better someone else than me.

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

I really appreciate your efforts sir. Thank you muchly I could write my response/POV but it could be quickly turned around and twisted back into my face. It is better someone else than me.

No, as we've been saying constantly we want you to explain what's happening in those games.

[jayaiwhy]

Originally Posted by Peleus

No, as we've been saying constantly we want you to explain what's happening in those games.

even if he explains, all you guys are going to do is "but (___________________________)"
then chobo can reply with "but (_________________________________)"
then you guys say "but (______________________________)"

it's so silly,

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[Baldie]

Originally Posted by SQL.delete

I'm going through this replay and analysing for chobo's benefit, because if he tried to explain himself it would be shut down immediately by everyone. I'm personally undecided if he's hacking or not.

Although I appreciate where you are coming from and I agree it is important to look at everything from a different angle - I think it is highly unlikely anyone would be willing to stop with questions until Chobo himself makes a statement explaining the situation.

You can have people speak on behalf of you as long as you want, until it comes out of the mouth of yourself, or in this case the keyboard of Chobo, it is all interpretation.

Although I appreciate Chobo being concerned about it being thrown back in his face. Ultimately those people civil enough to read a statement from him without taking a side will be able to make a rational decision.

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by SQL.delete

I'm going through this replay and analysing for chobo's benefit, because if he tried to explain himself it would be shut down immediately by everyone. I'm personally undecided if he's hacking or not.



The way that a game appears depends on the viewer's mindset. As many of you believe he is hacking, you will see these moves as evidence. As I'm doing this to defend him, I don't. If anyone else is truely looking for the truth, watch this replay and the others yourself.

ok delete, first of all ur a protoss u wont understand TvZ and you could have done a better job defending him, for example
ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

yep just checking it nothing sus here

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

yeah alot of terrans double check to see real quick what they missed


9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

just a random movement decides to go right first, then left cause he felt like it

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

the smart thing to do, obviously. i wouldn't go for the right one straight away though because its a little too sus if u kill 2 straight away just like that. (it wasnt gonna scout anything anyway)

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

luck / coincidence again or whatever you wanna call it.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

obviously you would do this, but doesnt explain why he never moves his hellions unless he needs to and everytime he does it does something. same as his vikings moves them 3 times whole game and they do wonders

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

starsense/luck/coincidence of course again.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

nothing weird here, just good pathing top tier viking control in world for sure

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

yep his vikings fly past it, so now i have even more reason to check it out, even though i cant see anything and its 3 seconds late, same as earlier in the game its always reasonable to check through fog of war at times. (its also unreasonable to constantly be using the screen lock)

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

they call this the gin timing i guess. but yeah nothing but well preparation from a terran player nothing ordinary

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

he is good at using his hellions all game

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

standard terran play. definitely nothing wrong here. just good overall decision making

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

good game sense, he cant afford to make mutas anyway so even if he does have it i'll just gamble and lose a few scvs ive ruined his economy anyway. ( tthis is more of a tendency thing, as he only scans when he needs to and doesn't if you watch his other replays )

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

again, what can i say best viking control in world

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

starsense. nothing else to do at that point in the game than clicking on a scv

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

gotta do a little dance everytime i rally my medivacs half way cause i can its awesome, or maybe im just avoiding the creep or something like that, makes sense to me

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.

anyway my point here is, you can have any reasoning you want for why he did such things etc, maybe he just had a good run and a great game and never did anything wrong.

but you have to add all the pieces together, first he never does well at lans, he only does well in online tournaments

2nd he was gold in season 1 then became gm in season 2 (sign of something too perhaps )

3rd he has terrible mechanics but the best decision making and tactics ive seen (sign of something)

4th he plays perfectly without ever needing any information like for examples,
almost never taking watchtowers for vision
never scanning and when he does he sees spires or greater spires so he can put down 3 starports at the exact timing he needs to
has perfect viking usage
positions his units perfectly

like someone this good and doesnt even play much do u think thats right?

ppl get good because of the dedication and the amount of hard work they put into playing the game
yet he claims to never do that, nothing makes sense to me, too many signs leaning towards something suspicious

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Zepph:

[CHoBo(kice)]

anyway my point here is, you can have any reasoning you want for why he did such things etc, maybe he just had a good run and a great game and never did anything wrong.

YES, that is exactly right, my very first win. after not doing so well in previous mc, seasl etc. it just aligned for me. I have been receiving additional coaching and have improved quite a lot since last season.

but you have to add all the pieces together, first he never does well at lans, he only does well in online tournaments

offline WELL- I do have a very "risky" play style, I did do well only lost to GM player mostly. The circumstances were I lost to a lower player were lucky instances where have cought double scvs going to build dual port banshee or similar dicey circumstances.

2nd he was gold in season 1 then became gm in season 2 (sign of something too perhaps )

I bought GM manual, I had 15 lessons with Oxygen, I spend about 12 hours a day on starcraft almost as I did not have a job or studying at this point of time. and then when i got a job I could play starcraft at work during downtime. season 2 was a long time as well. my initial gm i was at 50% winrate because of all ins, this is where i tried to improve and get better over the course of following seasons.

3rd he has terrible mechanics but the best decision making and tactics ive seen (sign of something)

thanks sir nice of you to say im still trying to improve.

4th he plays perfectly without ever needing any information like for examples,
almost never taking watchtowers for vision
never scanning and when he does he sees spires or greater spires so he can put down 3 starports at the exact timing he needs to
has perfect viking usage
positions his units perfectly

ill take this as a compliment for my game sense.

like someone this good and doesnt even play much do u think thats right?

ppl get good because of the dedication and the amount of hard work they put into playing the game
yet he claims to never do that, nothing makes sense to me, too many signs leaning towards something suspicious

well yes I do spend time on the game, I spend more time analysing and improving my games more than anything and also getting coaching to try and get to higher levels. I do it as a fun thing but doesn't mean I cant be competitive about it?

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[xGKingdelete]

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

ok delete, first of all ur a protoss u wont understand TvZ

yes, I don't understand TvZ, so yes, my points need validating. Could you correct me on my points? Mainly:
-I didn't find anything suspicious about the viking rally/pathing, it isn't "starsense/luck/coincidence" or "best viking control in the world", but just standard, easy overlord hunting. From what I know at least, I've only watched TvZ.
He manages to find the overlords because he sends the viking through the entire map, excluding the middle part (zerg's tend to keep their overlords away from the middle of the map in ZvT don't they?). I think it would be a massive coincidence if he didn't find all of the overlords. But again, I've only watched TvZ, and haven't played terran myself aside from a few fun games and the campaign.

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

the smart thing to do, obviously. i wouldn't go for the right one straight away though because its a little too sus if u kill 2 straight away just like that. (it wasnt gonna scout anything anyway)

The smart thing to do would be to check the right side of his base anyway. If there is an overlord, there's an overlord, if there is no overlord, then the zerg is guaranteed to have no overlords to scout in the next few minutes. That's what I usually do in my stargate openings at least, but maybe it's different in TvZ. I don't know.

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

but you have to add all the pieces together, first he never does well at lans, he only does well in online tournaments

2nd he was gold in season 1 then became gm in season 2 (sign of something too perhaps )

3rd he has terrible mechanics but the best decision making and tactics ive seen (sign of something)

4th he plays perfectly without ever needing any information like for examples,
almost never taking watchtowers for vision
never scanning and when he does he sees spires or greater spires so he can put down 3 starports at the exact timing he needs to
has perfect viking usage
positions his units perfectly

like someone this good and doesnt even play much do u think thats right?

ppl get good because of the dedication and the amount of hard work they put into playing the game
yet he claims to never do that, nothing makes sense to me, too many signs leaning towards something suspicious

Yes. I actually completely agree with you on those points, as do the majority of people in this thread. But that doesn't mean that he has hacked in this game. It doesn't mean you can use inconclusive evidence. It doesn't mean that he must be banned and condemned for everything after one day of investigation, as many people in this thread have been pushing for. To those people, can you just not post unless you have something relevant or constructive to add, and not your own opinions?

The only thing I find suspicious is the lack of scouting and controlling of the watchtower. No one has addressed UHF's or my points. Until someone does, I don't see how this replay is evidence of hacking.


I am not saying that he doesn't maphack. I am saying that those specific points aren't conclusive evidence that he maphacks.

I hope people will consider waiting for a week or so, while people continue to analyse games, before making their judgement.

[UHF]

In response to Mafia

ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

He has started pulling back units well before Ender moves up to the top of the ramp. At that point he had 5 Marines with a half health bunker, with 3 Marines running from the other side of the map. Is it a hack or just good game sense that he should pull back before he loses everything (he has nothing back at home if he does lose it all).

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

True - but he could be just checking to see what he scouted when he was pushing in the front door with Marines.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

Yes I will admit this does look fishy. However, both positions are behind mineral lines and likely positions for scouting overlords. Surely most pros would check for OLs? This makes SENSE when he lifts and places his third CC soon after in the direction he scouted with his Viking.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

Sends Hellions to Xel'Naga to scout, then to his third to clear before moving his CC in. Ender does NOT see the CC coming in - is this hacking or good game play?

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

Slightly fishy, but follows the theme of clearing out the expo's so his opponent doesn't know what he is doing.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

Not that surprising if this is a set path he does often (i have seen him do this against non Zerg players)

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

At the same time his Viking flies over the lings at the top tower. He see's these on his MINIMAP, moves hellions down to 3rd, then goes up to look at Tower but vikings have already moved past.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

This is fishy. However if we go for a counter arguement, he has seen lings at his 3rd three times now AND has been supply blocked for a while. Seems like a decent idea to wall off.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

Again, fishy. Could be positioning them behind the wall as protection from any attacks. Eventually replaces Hellions with a single marine (which seems like a weird choice if he knows how many lings at there).

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

Yup, at this point in the game he has had lings down there 4 times.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

The only units he has seen this far in is lings. There has been no pressure except to the bottom left which has dealt with, either legitimately or not. His Viking has been roaming uncontested, which suggests no mutas.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

It also goes back along the path it came along. He has been scouting both sides of the maps with Vikings all game. His pathing covers all the open air space AND the expo's along that side. It's a good path to take.


16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

His first few clicks are PAST the zergling bunch, which indicates he was planning on doing something with the SCV.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

Ignoring this because i don't think it's anything

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.

Bottom of the ramp to the nat/main. seems reasonable

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Overall, I think there is a very fine line between either being fishy (aka cheating), or just having great game sense, good game play and playing really well. I honestly wouldn't put money either way, as arguements can be made from both sides.

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[Nemo]

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

Just made a video of my rep analysis for those who are too lazy to download and rewatch the rep themselves. This is of Chobo and Enderr

it's about 30 mins long, so theres alot of random bits but if you guys disagree with any of those points i mentioned in the video please say so
http://www.twitch.tv/xeriamafia/b/320424553



ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.
Franckly the attack was over. I think it's only a coincidence.

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.
Don't think that he would need it if map hacking. You have production tab in this case and also the opponent resources like in a replay.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,
From me that Viking patrol is legit. That Viking simply recover map control for s. He has to patrol that route and none other.

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.
As others have said, it could be MH or simply standard.

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.
This one is a bit suspect.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.
Rerouting on same path after getting attacked by queen.

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.
I have no opinion about this one.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.
He has done that in other games. It seems standard for him but it's true the timing is sus.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.
This is clearly extremely suspect or "huuuge luck". This move must be explained.

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.
Not really suspicious IMO.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.
I think he was on the offensive and was not afraid of muta. Could be suspect though, but not that much.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.
Standard for him. Just going on being active with his viking.

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.
Very suspect too.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.
I think he just wanted to clear the zone. He didn't know what there was in here.

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.
Just a-clicking for the end. He killed too much, he knows he's very far ahead.

Well, there are definitely some interesting points here even if, in my opinion, most of it are not that suspect.

He was too far ahead in this game to really show if he was hacking. The best games to see that is when he has difficult times. In most of the games we saw with tgun, he was not MH for sure, but he could use it only from time to time, so it's not proof he never hacks.

I will go on watching those tomorrow since now its bed time.