[KAshadowz]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

Sounds like a brilliant idea, however I disagree with the 'no SEA or NZ' teams. I think that, as members of the SC2SEA community they have a right to bring forth a team and fight against the other locations in our community, right? I mean, State of Origin is only QLD/NSW, yet the other states are included.

I think it is a valid discussion point that all areas of SEA should be able to field a team, if they choose to. Of course, this is just my opinion, but I think it further supports our community as a whole, and brings our community closer, rather than singling out certain groups and saying they can't compete.

while it is true, nothing can really compare to the rivalry between states. It is present in almost every single thing regarding the nation, also when I heard about the first soO back in broodwar is was a great idea, so I think it is good to stick back to the roots of the first competition

on a side note.....GO VICTORIA :P

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	TAriiChard:	melbournes not a state..........
	cRSenSei:	Melbourne is not a state.. good one
	NvRossi:	but good points nonetheless!
	deL:
	TCPLemminks:	Would up rep but your geographical knowledge prevents me from doing so...

[[TA]LoSt]

Hmm, I'd definitely be down for trying out for the Queensland B-team, but I don't think I'd even make it, especially since I haven't played properly in ages..

I'd also put my hand up for QLD B captain regardless of whether or not I made the team. Let me know..

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

Sounds like a brilliant idea, however I disagree with the 'no SEA or NZ' teams. I think that, as members of the SC2SEA community they have a right to bring forth a team and fight against the other locations in our community, right? I mean, State of Origin is only QLD/NSW, yet the other states are included.

I think it is a valid discussion point that all areas of SEA should be able to field a team, if they choose to. Of course, this is just my opinion, but I think it further supports our community as a whole, and brings our community closer, rather than singling out certain groups and saying they can't compete.

We've had those competitions, they're called nation wars. This is state of origins.

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	Paroxysm:	Totally different thing altogether mate.
	Zepph:
	TAEdgE:	stupid down rep
	Zealo:
	deL:

[Paroxysm]

Originally Posted by NvPinder

We've had those competitions, they're called nation wars. This is state of origins.

For one, Nation Wars didn't include states, so it's a totally different thing. We can have states competing against everyone, as opposed to a boring Australian only competition that we so frequently see. It would be great, in my opinion to try and link up a tournament between all of the states as well as people from other countries so that they can represent themselves and fight for their geographical location's respect on our forum.

Again, I'm going to say, this is not just an Australian forum. I'm from QLD, but I'd love to see the talent of our community who reside in NZ, or Singapore etc. compete against people from my state. I am of the opinion that if you want to further esports in our community, you cannot just prevent certain people from playing because of their geographical location. It makes absolutely no difference as to whether or not they are in Australia. There WILL be an army of people supporting them just as much as there would be people supporting QLD or NSW. The whole point is to have a competitive scene in which people represent their place of origin in Starcraft 2. It's not rocket science to say that everyone on our forum should be able to partake in the tournament.

All in all, it is deL's choice as to whether or not other places are included, but these are just words for thought.

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	Zealo:	then organise another nation wars... this is state of origin
	deL:	Guys we should stop LANs cos they don't include everyone it's not fair

[inFeZa]

I thought this was for rugby.

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FvRphoneheha:

Wait whaaa? **** that I'm out *runs for the hills on scrawny nerd legs*

[FvRphoneheha]

This sounds epic haha, we have to develop state rivalries xD

Victoria B-team tryout reporting!

[dippa]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

Again, I'm going to say, this is not just an Australian forum. I'm from QLD, but I'd love to see the talent of our community who reside in NZ, or Singapore etc. compete against people from my state. I am of the opinion that if you want to further esports in our community, you cannot just prevent certain people from playing because of their geographical location.

.........

State of Origin is inherently an Australian-based competition. That's been the case for Day of Defeat, Counter-Strike (1.6/Source), Call of Duty (1, 2, 4, 5, MW2, Black Ops) and the Battlefield series.

Why are you under this delusion that holding one geographical based competition that coincides with - SURPRISE, THE ACTUAL STATE OF ORIGIN - somehow is a hindrance to eSports in our community?

It's these kind of events that tie in competitive gaming with the rest of what goes on with society that makes eSports more awesome. What do you think Barcraft is? This is a novelty event - if you try to be all politically correct by not wanting to piss anyone else off (not that they would be, this is an Australian tradition for ****'s sake) you're just going to ruin the event for everyone.

And to think I was feeling good when I woke up. Holy ****.

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	Zepph:
	syfChadMann:
	Snx.Mufasa:
	FaDeHellfyre:	no need for the bm
	TABottles:	I don't see any bm
	deL:

[FaDeHellfyre]

Hey deL, if you see this, i'd be willing to admin a BSG version. Hit me up via PM with what you've got worked out rules-wise for the Master/GM SoO and i'll adapt it to fit.

Also, while i don't want to sound as blunt as dippa did just then... I do agree with his point. State of Origin is an Australian competition, and while I'd be loath to refuse anyone entry to anything else based on their nationality, it kinda takes away from the rivalry a bit. Mainly because if we have a State of Origin (nations) version, it would end up with Australia v New Zealand anyway and would defeat the purpose of doing a SoO at all.

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by ESLHellfyre

Hey deL, if you see this, i'd be willing to admin a BSG version. Hit me up via PM with what you've got worked out rules-wise for the Master/GM SoO and i'll adapt it to fit.

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=93389#post93389

Come play over there ^_^

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FaDeHellfyre:

*Runs over to join you guys*

[TABottles]

I never get to see Tasmania on Today Tonight when they show the speed camera data.. and now this

EDIT: @Zepph I'll pitch the idea to some of the better players who hang out on sc2tas facebook.

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Zepph:

Then find some tassie buddies and get in there !

[Paroxysm]

Originally Posted by dippa

.........

State of Origin is inherently an Australian-based competition. That's been the case for Day of Defeat, Counter-Strike (1.6/Source), Call of Duty (1, 2, 4, 5, MW2, Black Ops) and the Battlefield series.

Why are you under this delusion that holding one geographical based competition that coincides with - SURPRISE, THE ACTUAL STATE OF ORIGIN - somehow is a hindrance to eSports in our community?

It's these kind of events that tie in competitive gaming with the rest of what goes on with society that makes eSports more awesome. What do you think Barcraft is? This is a novelty event - if you try to be all politically correct by not wanting to piss anyone else off (not that they would be, this is an Australian tradition for ****'s sake) you're just going to ruin the event for everyone.

And to think I was feeling good when I woke up. Holy ****.

Lol, wanna ******* relax mate? I said it was my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own. I said that I was PERSONALLY of the opinion that it would be better for our community if everyone was entitled to have a go. I haven't been a part of any other online gaming communities so I didn't know that it was like that. I never said a hindrance, I said it would be better for our community if we included everyone and it would help to further esports by inviting everyone to compete if they so choose. Perhaps instead of jumping the gun and instantly getting on the hate train you need to read what I said.

The fact that you wake up and get mad at someone's opinion which you read on a forum makes me laugh. What do you honestly think a forum is? Its a place for opinion.

Anyway, as I said, it's not my choice, it is deL's choice, and I was merely saying something which I thought should be considered.

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nirvAnA:

[simon]

yer i nearly dry retched reading your first post paroxysm. Warcraft 3 also had state of origin.

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Zealo:

so did i lol

[Paroxysm]

As i just said, I didnt follow any of it back then. The fact that people are reacting to someone's opinion on an open forum when I present a reasonable argument is ******* ridiculous. Guess some people are just 'too good' for a civil discussion.

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	FaDeHellfyre:	totally agree
	syfChadMann:	not being civil either.

[syfChadMann]

Parox, dippa is just showing you his OPINION.. The event has a history as an internal Australian competition why would we open it up to Aus states and NZ, Thai etc etc?..

- EDIT: its like changing national traditions.. just to invite a country not involved in the tradition... Like saying the boxing day test - why don't we share that around and hold it in Bali.. -_-

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

What do you honestly think a forum is? Its a place for opinion.

reminds me of This.

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	nirvAnA:	Civil opinions are fine, sarcastic/rude "Opinions" that evoke drama aren't. Just look what happened after that reply. :(
	TABottles:	but nirvana DEY TUK ER JERBS!!!

[Pox]

Sounds like fun. I'll throw my name in for vic.

[Baldie]

Nothing stopping you from creating a similar tournament/competition in your country then having a merged super series with multiple countries.

I think the main factor here is the history element. It would be like saying we should open up ANZAC Day to Germany.. like dafaq?

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	Zepph:	My thoughts exactly
	iM MaFia:	LOOOOL
	[TA]LoSt:	dafaq haha
	TABottles:
	dippa:	oh holy shit lol
	nirvAnA:	I agree its the history element, thats why this event should be AU only
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	big bad baldie ballin
	deL:	ACHTUNG! VALTZING MATILDE!

[TACosmic]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

Again, I'm going to say, this is not just an Australian forum. I'm from QLD, but I'd love to see the talent of our community who reside in NZ, or Singapore etc. compete against people from my state. I am of the opinion that if you want to further esports in our community, you cannot just prevent certain people from playing because of their geographical location. It makes absolutely no difference as to whether or not they are in Australia. There WILL be an army of people supporting them just as much as there would be people supporting QLD or NSW. The whole point is to have a competitive scene in which people represent their place of origin in Starcraft 2. It's not rocket science to say that everyone on our forum should be able to partake in the tournament.

All in all, it is deL's choice as to whether or not other places are included, but these are just words for thought.

This event holds high regard for those that were around during the BW days, when the community was extremely tight - almost non-existent and honestly only had around 40 active members. The best of the best players within Australia would be duking it out for the pride of their cherished state. It held huge importance for the players and a win was considered the ultimate bragging rights.

If I recall correctly, the big names at the time included players such as Spud, Pinder, Frugga, Etude,EdgE, GoD, Sensei, and even Glade. The SoO was such a massive event that it even forced international superstars such as Legionnaire out of retirement/inactivity. The whole Aus community at the time would view these games, with each individual having own their equal share of pride on the line.

Changing the rules of this event and the manner in which it will be played would be a huge slap in the face to the "old-school" players within SC2 who are, unbeknownst to many, the roots of Australian StarCraft.

With deL running these events again, I'm sure the tradition behind this event will be respected and most importantly, be enjoyed to the fullest extent!

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	[TA]LoSt:	Extremely well-written and true
	syfChadMann:
	mOOnGLaDe:	im glad i got to experience one of them in bw!

[inFeZa]

or 4th of july for australians?

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syfChadMann:

[jayaiwhy]

Originally Posted by Zealo

not if we can convince people who are good to play

aw you, calling me good

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by SQL.inFeZa

or 4th of july for australians?

or halloween for Australians?

Gotta say I agreed with making this one Aus Only, I love the idea of putting state pride on the line, We've had Nation Wars already, and Im sure deL will do Nation Wars Season 3 some time this year, if people arent a fan of the way this tournament is run they are more than welcome to make their own (the more tournaments the better imo)

Big Shoutout to deL for putting this on!