[Ruscour]

Originally Posted by Rage

I don't think "having a clean record" should be a mitigating factor in the slightest.

In this case

-the multiple evidence replays of Evets hacking more than once
-lying about hacking at all initially
-lying AGAIN and saying he only did it once

given the above, to me, the only thing "had a clean record" means is "hadn't been caught until now".

And that makes it a pretty flimsy reason to do anything.

"Once" doesn't necessarily mean one game, it could just mean one session. I haven't been following this stuff too closely to see if it was over multiple days or anything but multiple replays can still justify "once".

We all have our moments of weakness. He was punished by his team and lost a ton of respect by the community. His apology had sincerity...it is hard to earn people's respect back but I can't see why he doesn't deserve a chance to do that.

SlayerSDragon was a proven maphacker, for crying out loud. People make mistakes and people change.

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	ToRSpartaz:	Well said man, true points. I want this thread buried...
	TAScarecrow:	"it was just this one ladder game" evetS
	TAEdgE:	^
	mGGDaedalus:	If you gonna post at least read the thread properly
	Nemo:	Yes, he deserves a second chance !
	TAEdarus:	"it was just this one ladder game" evetS
	Zealo:	good sentiment, normally i'd say read the thread before posting but the thread is 100 pages of shit at this point
	nGenLight:	Lol he was pretty sincere, lying pretty sincerely.
	sRFullstop:

[TAXanT]

Originally Posted by Ruscour

We all have our moments of weakness. He was punished by his team and lost a ton of respect by the community. His apology had sincerity...it is hard to earn people's respect back but I can't see why he doesn't deserve a chance to do that.

My thoughts as well

Edit: I understand people are disappointed with him for hacking, lying, etc and they have every right to be but I don't know what other punishment can be handed out other than getting booted out of FaDe/SC2SEA community. Trust is an important thing and hes broken it, more than once too. From what I've heard he was held in a rather high regard, at least within FaDe and his reputation has been destroyed now. In a way the easy option would be for him to become in-active on these forums but I hope that isn't the case. If he really wants to make up for his wrong-doings he'll hang around, start from the ground-up again and roll with the punches which will no doubt be thrown his way and hope that people give him the chance.

I don't know EvetS at all im completely un-biased in all this, just trying to find any positive direction this can be moved in.

[TragicHero]

Originally Posted by Ruscour

We all have our moments of weakness. He was punished by his team and lost a ton of respect by the community. His apology had sincerity...it is hard to earn people's respect back but I can't see why he doesn't deserve a chance to do that.

Sorry I had to reply you on this. From a neutral point of view, his apology can NOT be sincere since he lied about it. His apology clearly stated that he says sorry for hacking only ONCE against Timber, not any other time (EVER). How can his apology be sincere if he lied about it?

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	Rage:	Yes! I don't know how people can't see this.
	TAEdarus:	Bang on the mark.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by Ruscour

"Once" doesn't necessarily mean one game, it could just mean one session. I haven't been following this stuff too closely to see if it was over multiple days or anything but multiple replays can still justify "once".

We all have our moments of weakness. He was punished by his team and lost a ton of respect by the community. His apology had sincerity...it is hard to earn people's respect back but I can't see why he doesn't deserve a chance to do that.

SlayerSDragon was a proven maphacker, for crying out loud. People make mistakes and people change.

He specifically mentioned it was only one game against TimbeR

[AxSGRiM]

Originally Posted by Rage

He specifically mentioned it was only one game against TimbeR

But now we have riichard's replay

[RicocheT]

Originally Posted by nRvGRiM

But now we have riichard's replay

That's the disappointing thing about it.
Guys like GoFire, Badger and myself stuck out our necks for him in front of the sc2sea community.
It's not an easy thing to do, but we did it because he is (or was, I don't know FaDe's ruling on him yet) a fellow clannie, and I'm sure others would do the same.
I don't regret sticking my neck out for him. Would do the same for any other FaDe player or friend accused of hacking.
The disappointing thing is that he took us for granted. We stood by him and trusted his words in which he said 'I only mh'ed once.'
I myself am still willing to give him another chance. We all make mistakes, which is what makes us human. But in light of recent events, I would also approve a harsher penalty.

Anyway I'm done with this thread.
We asked for facts and we got them, and the full story has been seen now.

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	nirvAnA:
	TAriiChard:	Props on FaDe for backing him up.
	nGenLight:	Your best friend always sticking up for you... even when I know you
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