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TAEdarus · Mon, 12th-Dec-2011, 4:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilSWAT

FantasyBoy's so awesome, he even beat himself at the last game. He's both Gold and Platinum rating, at the same time. Fantastic.

(I didn't know Chuck Norris plays SC2. :P)

Totally lost my sh1t when I read that and realised. Well done sir!

EXCL · Mon, 12th-Dec-2011, 7:52 PM

Clanless vs FaDe B

Lorzy > Byrnsy @ Metalopolis
Lorzy > Forfeit
Lorzy < FESTa @ Shattered Temple
Incognito < FESTa @ Metalopolis
Random > FESTa @ Shakuras Plateau
Random < Fullstop @ Shakuras Plateau

Remainder of games to be played on Wednesday night @ 8pm... be there!

**syfChadMann** · Mon, 12th-Dec-2011, 7:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FaDeEXCL

Clanless vs FaDe B

Lorzy > Byrnsy @ Metalopolis
Lorzy > Forfeit
Lorzy < FESTa @ Shattered Temple
Incognito < FESTa @ Metalopolis
Random > FESTa @ Shakuras Plateau
Random < Fullstop @ Shakuras Plateau

Remainder of games to be played on Wednesday night @ 8pm... be there!

Close games.. FaDe not afraid to pull out some cheese?.. teehehehee wp'd tho.. some interesting strats
will be good to see the end of these games!!

**Maynarde** · Mon, 12th-Dec-2011, 11:47 PM

Hey guys, this post isn't a happy one but it has to be done none-the-less.

Some evidence came into light tonight that there was yet more smurfing, with certain players being WAY too highly ranked on other servers (Diamond with over 100 wins) and owning up on SEA and other players knowing about it but staying silent. This is against the rules which were made clear over 10 weeks ago.

Without getting into too many details (as it's between the admins and KA's team leader) we have basically decided that FaDe A are awarded the win over KA. It's really unfortunate, but in the interest of fairness and consistency we feel it's necessary to change the result.

KA aren't removed from the tournament, they still have a second life in the finals but will do so without the offending players. I wish them the best of luck, and don't blame anyone except the offenders for the transgression and I hope you all do the same.

We've had a really hard time with smurfers in this season of BSGCL (as anyone who regulates this thread will realise) and need to come down hard on it, I'm sure you all understand why there is a zero tolerance policy on smurfing. It's a bit late to massage any new rules into the list, but (for the 100th time lol) I assure you that next year we will have something that will be a lot fairer on people from multiple leagues of every tier. Keep your eyes peeled for that

Sorry about the sombre nature of this post, but I'm sure you appreciate the disclosure as much as we, the admins, appreciate it from you; the BSG community. Good luck and have fun for the rest of the finals

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	O.O Admins putting the foot down.. :-/
	LordByrnsy:	good work man. be hard on smurfers!
	FaDeZerO:	Well done man.

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 1:05 AM

I'll be collecting my teams NA account details on sc2ranks.com and posting their leagues here when I have...
Full disclosure, imo is now expected.. too many silly smurfs ruining this league.. -_-

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rezyn8:

EXCL · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 9:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChadMann

I'll be collecting my teams NA account details on sc2ranks.com and posting their leagues here when I have...
Full disclosure, imo is now expected.. too many silly smurfs ruining this league.. -_-

Agreed... what happened to fair play guys. The more smurf, the harder it is for comps like this to run; the less likely comps like this will actually happen; and the less likely players will WANT to play in these comps. So use your heads! you're ruining it for the community while you attempt to get your cheated glory.

Kudos to the admins for having epic patience and tolerence this season of the BSGCL... I appreciate it and I am sure all involved in BSGCL do to.

TAEdarus · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 10:45 AM

Its a shame that this season has been rife with this kind of activity and it disheartens me to see it happen (or to be found out) yet again, and to make it worse its during the finals!

Keep your heads high guys, greater things are coming in future.
In the mean time, team captains / managers PLEASE be diligent in checking your players.

No matter how well you may know or trust someone, time has proven we cannot slack off when it comes to ensuring the rules are followed and the league remains fair.

TAEdarus · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 10:47 AM

Adding for a bit of light-heartedness:

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	syfChadMann:	YO-HO!... lol
	Synizta:	OH SNAP
	EXCL:	serious sam :D
	ZC.EvilSWAT:	Laying down the law, Edarus-style.

**Frogmite** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:02 AM

Actually i don't think we have more smurfs this season than last one. It's just that we found more of them in season 2. Making league-restricted competition will always involve smurfing. We cannot stop it, but we can reduce the impact of it.

It's very hard today to determine who is a smurf or who's not, because we're drawing a subjective line of skills to not cross. However, if we want to organize competitions, we have to deal with it. There will always be smurfing, voluntary or not. What we clearly don't want is to make players ladder on other servers/account and not on their SEA one.

There will be a new clan league system coming early 2012, and there will be a BSG division attached to it. Even if we have a lot of problems with smurfing, we will still organize competitions for the BSG players because we love them more than anyone else. The format will be different, and made to reduce smurfing, so be all prepared for a few changes.

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	rezyn8:	Keep up the good work! Would be happy to help out next season as well
	EXCL:	looking forward to!

TAEdarus · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogmite

...we will still organize competitions for the BSG players because we love them more than anyone else.

I used to be a happy person like you, then I took an arrow in the knee

**Maynarde** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEdarus

I used to be a happy person like you, then I took an arrow in the knee

I've taken arrows to the knee AND shoulder, I've been stuck by swords and set on fire by an angry mage who thinks I stole from him. But I still love the community T_T

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:20 AM

Sounds good.... very excited for the next season..
As for my teams NA accounts, I'll be collecting them all and editing this post to display everyone's NA account.

Many of the Clanless bunch don't use their NA accounts - but I will be posting details of everyone as I recieve them:
Myself,

on NA I don't think I've done placement this season - but feel free to look up my account (ChadMann.754) (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2730319/1/ChadMann/)
Avenger:
UpWaiting:

on NA (http://sc2ranks.com/us/3161074/UpWaiting)
EvilSWAT:
Lorzy:
Hydro:
Incognito:
SmokyMcPot: As far as I am aware - Smoky is the only player to worry about. However I firmly believe he is not a smurf - he placed in

on NA in Season 2.. after playing 1 solid day and winning his 5 placement matches (straight placement into diamond)- I believe he has not played any other matches - and No offence to smoky, but if he did ladder hard on that account... I believe he would be demoted into a more suitable league - at this stage he is not

skill level... but I have spoken to smoky and if it is request he be removed from the league this is acceptable... However his BSGCL record isn't outstanding and does not suggest he is smurf.
Random:
spaZzNx:
Bash:
suman: Inactive on NA - previous season 2 placement

(http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2424948/1/EGIdrA/) - Do laugh at his player name.. XD

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Bash:

Bash 635 (I'm in plat too) +rep for the collection of details.

FaDeZerO · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:54 AM

In my opinion Chad you shouldn't really have to publicize your team's NA accounts... You can check them for sure but maybe in private and deal with them accordingly. I believe this because everyone trusts you Chad, you have an amazing reputation and credibility.

Also for those who think I am a smurf... and I know you're out there.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/2133988/FreedomWing
FreedomWing.408 - Add me if you don't believe it's me.

EDIT: Apologies Edarus for coming off "overly defensive" but my post is purely precautionary, should someone be suspicious of me the next time I play and win. Also, I HAVE heard the rumours... so it really wasn't fair to rep me and say that no one is attacking me. It may not have publicly or to my face but I have heard them.

Quick Comments

	TAEdarus:	You seem overly defensive, nobody is attacking you =(
	syfChadMann:	+1 to balance and for being open and honest..

**rezyn8** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:12 PM

It would actually be good if sc2ranks was able to link NA/SEA accounts automatically.

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FaDeZerO

In my opinion Chad you shouldn't really have to publicize your team's NA accounts... You can check them for sure but maybe in private and deal with them accordingly. I believe this because everyone trusts you Chad, you have an amazing reputation and credibility.

While this may or may not be true... (I don't know for sure what everyone's opinion of me is..)
full disclosure and complete translucency legitimises this league even further.

While it might seem unnecessary to post the teams NA accounts I firmly believe that if you have nothing to hide - it doesn't matter if you show it to everyone.

Anyway - perhaps future provisions should be considered in sign ups for preceding seasons, where players (competing in any BSG League) post both their NA and SEA account leagues.

**rezyn8** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:15 PM

The only way to verify a players NA account is to add them in game and talk to them on the NA server. Anyone can post a NA account and say it is them - it still needs verification.

ZCPooSmear · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:19 PM

Yeah I agree with rezyn8, add the email of the account in SEA. That would eliminate over 90% of smurfing in my pov. However it is a little tedious.

**rezyn8** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:36 PM

I think it may get to a point that the Clan Leaders have a listing of all relevant details for their players which can be requested by the admins of the leagues to verify a players' league if a complaint rises. It adds a hell of a lot of overhead but if we are serious about ruling out smurfs then it may be a necessary evil.

The weird thing is, I never got an opportunity to change my game ID on the NA server - it automatically set me as rezyn#772 (which I don't mind) - it might have been done through the battle.net web site.

As for transparency, I have updated my sig with my NA account. Its platinum but I only ranked up on the day that Dox Cup #2 was running and have only played my 5 placement matches. My SEA account is quite obviously my main. Does this mean I am breaking the rules?

**Maynarde** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 1:18 PM

Thanks guys for the suggestions, don't stress over the possibility of smurfing next season though. It won't really be necessary to link your NA account as (what Frogmite said in his post) there will most likely be a new clan league system that will remove the need to smurf. More details coming in in 2012.

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rezyn8:

Can't wait!

KAshadowz · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 5:42 PM

I want to take this chance to personally apologise to everyone that has been affect by what has happened. Personally when I requested details from all the players at signup everyone was well within the BSG range levels. I have been unaware that FantasyBoy has reached diamond over the course of this season and I apologise once again to FaDe A for this.

As for the fate of Kelvin's Army after today, at least in the BSGCL we may have to pull out of the league due to the removal of certain players combined with many of our players being overseas on holidays. I will have to contact some players to find out when they can return but if they are unable to, best wishes to the remaining teams in the competition

♥ Shadowz

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	Not your fault - pity it came to this.. T_T
	Maynarde:	Thank you for taking it so well, sorry it came to this
	TAEdarus:	Its a shame it happened but i'm glad you took it well