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**Dox** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:59 AM

For a while now, it's been no secret that I've been turning my full attention towards the Australian Cyber League in 2012, as we'll be aiming to make ACL the premier StarCraft II event for Australia.

With that said, I'm proud to announce that the first destination in the 2012 ACL circuit will be the Gold Coast - on January 21st & 22nd.

+ [Show Announcement] +

ACL Pro StarCraft II Ruleset & Maplist (Requires Adobe Reader to view)

+ [Show Venue] +

Keep an eye on this page over the next few days as the details are ironed out.

Now for those of you wondering, "How do I qualify for this event?" - see below!

+ [Qualifier Dates & Locations] +

FaDeBadger · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 10:00 AM

Loving your work!

syfMiley · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 11:32 AM

I shall see you there Dox

Quick Comments

Dox:

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 11:43 AM

O.o I wonder where the the Sydney Qualifier will be?

**Dox** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 11:48 AM

I'm not trying to imply that it's a secret... just way too busy to do it until I get home from work.

Quick Comments

ToR.Arnor:

<3 you Dox

SLCN.Kez · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 11:50 AM

looks awesome cant wait!

cRSenSei · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 3:40 PM

Look forward to it!

Zepph · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 4:03 PM

Totally pumped ^.^ wooooottttt!

TAminimat · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 4:14 PM

So do we have to qualify to play at ACL or is it MLG style kinda qualify for the championship LAN or w/e its called.

EveTechtron · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 4:26 PM

did someone say esports?

syfMiley · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 7:54 PM

Registered to Melbourne, ONE day after my last exam.
That gives me 17 hours to get back from my hiatus

Quick Comments

TargA:

i will help you

**Dox** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:03 PM

That was quick! I only just updated the original post a little while ago, hehe.

Please feel free to leave questions in this thread people... I've been getting heaps of people sending me messages on twitter, facebook, skype, msn, battle.net, etc... and more often than not I'll just ask you to post in the thread. Because at least then, I don't answer the same questions to 7 different people. Everyone can come to the one, single location for their information.

Snx.FigJig · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:10 PM

Shall hopefully see ya there then MiLes!

Edit: Dox, will there be an email sent out to people who have registered just to confirm if you're going and will a list of registered players be released? Thanks

.

**Dox** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nRvPickleWeasel

Shall hopefully see ya there then MiLes!

Edit: Dox, will there be an email sent out to people who have registered just to confirm if you're going and will a list of registered players be released? Thanks

.

Hmm, I'll chase up the e-mail confirmation, but for the time being, you can view a list of all registered players for each qualifier via these links:

Quick Comments

Snx.FigJig:

Awesome, thanks :)

syfMiley · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nRvPickleWeasel

Shall hopefully see ya there then MiLes!

Ohh hopefully man, my last exam finishes at 5pm and then i'm gonna be drinking all night but sure i'll give it my best

NvPinder · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:24 PM

Yo you can go to multiple qualifiers right? (Can i go to the melb one and then the Adelaide one)?

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Yo you can go to multiple qualifiers right? (Can i go to the melb one and then the Adelaide one)?

Yes but only your highest result will count e.g. if you come 3rd in Adelaide and 1st in Melbourne only the points earnt from coming 1st will count.

Synizta · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Yo you can go to multiple qualifiers right? (Can i go to the melb one and then the Adelaide one)?

Pinder, just copy and pasted this from the OP, Hope it answers your question

"however players who attend the offline events will be eligible for more points. Whilst players are eligible to compete in as many qualifying events as they like, they will only be rewarded points for their best single ranking."

**TAEdgE** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:25 PM

my qualifier has so many interstate T_T

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdgE

my qualifier has so many interstate T_T

roadtrip to Melbourne with Bielsko? or try your luck out in the Online qualifier although in my opinion Edge will got 5/5 @ Arena LANs

[TA]LoSt · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 8:38 PM

This is cool man.. Signed up to Bris event!

**Dox** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 9:12 PM

Oops, forgot to add this in the OP.

Adelaide Qualifier
Due to the design and structure of the Adelaide Arena tournament, I'll be awarding bonus points to local residents to compensate for the fact that it's going to be stacked with the best players from around the country. I'll post a more transparent explanation closer to date - but don't worry, I'll be keeping it as fair as possible.

TargA · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 9:22 PM

i got a couple of questions

will there be prizemoney at the qualifier?

what exactly are we qualifying for?

when is what we are qualifying for?

**ACL VaNzR** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 9:46 PM

This should help answer some questions.

http://www.aclpro.com.au/forums/topi...ls-starcraft-2

**Dox** · Mon, 31st-Oct-2011, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevenantLover

i got a couple of questions

will there be prizemoney at the qualifier?

what exactly are we qualifying for?

when is what we are qualifying for?

All 3 of these questions have been answered in the OP, but I'll quote it for another point of reference:

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Originally Posted by Dox

More information coming soon! (Prizes, Entry Fees, etc)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dox

It's official, Australian Cyber League's first event for the 2012 season has been announced on the beautiful and sunny Gold Coast!

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Originally Posted by Dox

the first destination in the 2012 ACL circuit will be the Gold Coast - on January 21st & 22nd.

Nikachu · Tue, 1st-Nov-2011, 3:39 PM

I don't think I'll compete but I'll most likely come along to the qualifiers to check it all out

And I'll definitely be heading down to the Gold Coast for the first round

Snx.FigJig · Tue, 1st-Nov-2011, 3:55 PM

When will the additional information such as entry fees, prizes etc be released?

FaDeBadger · Tue, 1st-Nov-2011, 3:56 PM

I'm competing! I'd signed up for the Sydney event before I knew it was a qualifier. T_T all the good guys are gonna come now.

syfMiley · Tue, 1st-Nov-2011, 3:57 PM

Hopefully the entry fee isn't too much for a lass like me.

**Eddie** · Tue, 1st-Nov-2011, 8:59 PM

Sounds awesome! Registered for the Melbourne one. See everyone there

breadfan · Wed, 2nd-Nov-2011, 11:53 AM

Can't wait for the Bris event! But with it being a little over 2 weeks away now, any idea when we can expect to see some of the details like structure, etc

**Dox** · Wed, 2nd-Nov-2011, 12:00 PM

I've got the entry/prizes information ready to go, but MAY be subject to change (for the better), so I'm holding off for a bit. Shall finalise by this weekend.

TAminimat · Wed, 2nd-Nov-2011, 6:37 PM

Are there going to be invites from every regional qualifier to each national event or do you have to participate in the region specific events to qualify for that national event?

So like someone that places well enough in a Melbourne regional gets invited to Gold Coast national or you have to compete in the Brisbane regional to go to Gold Coast?

**Dox** · Wed, 2nd-Nov-2011, 7:37 PM

Your points will continue to accumulate across all events to determine seeding/rankings. I'll post a more comprehensive explanation tomorrow, gotta dash for a bit sorry!

TAminimat · Wed, 2nd-Nov-2011, 7:41 PM

Cheers

!

**Dox** · Mon, 14th-Nov-2011, 1:24 PM

Bump! Melbourne and Brisbane are THIS weekend! Apologies for not updating the OP with prize info, I've been out of town with concerts, weddings and music festivals for almost a whole week. Shall update this thread within 24 hours will prize info!

Sign up people! I want to see full 32 player brackets!

mOOnGLaDe · Mon, 14th-Nov-2011, 1:24 PM

Holy shittt one week woop woop!!!!

**ToR.Arnor** · Mon, 14th-Nov-2011, 1:28 PM

Sydney event is also this weekend

Ive done up a little preview since the event somehow became as stacked as the Arena LAN :|

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2760

**inFeZa** · Mon, 14th-Nov-2011, 1:33 PM

Can't wait! I'll try my best to qualify - How many players qualify from each tournament?

**ACL VaNzR** · Mon, 14th-Nov-2011, 3:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SQLTt.inFeZa

Can't wait! I'll try my best to qualify - How many players qualify from each tournament?

Doesn't work on a strict number system like that. There's also online rounds to be announced before the first national event.

Your 'season points' accumulate according to your placings at each event. Thus, those with the most points will qualify for the more prestigious tournaments. At the beginning of the season, the key is just to at least compete in as many ACL tournaments as you can to better those seedings.

Also, on an unrelated note - Perth is looking to be postponed.

breadfan · Mon, 14th-Nov-2011, 6:46 PM

Dox, when you update can you also please clarify entry fees and what the go is with keyboards/mice/headsets etc? I haven't been to Elysium

But yeah can't wait!

mOOnGLaDe · Mon, 14th-Nov-2011, 6:49 PM

im coming for you breadfan!!!

breadfan · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 7:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mOOnGLaDe

im coming for you breadfan!!!

Haha I have been practicing my TvZ just for you

NvJazBas · Mon, 14th-Nov-2011, 6:56 PM

Will online qualifier allow New Zealanders to compete aswell??

**Dox** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 9:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breadfan

Dox, when you update can you also please clarify entry fees and what the go is with keyboards/mice/headsets etc? I haven't been to Elysium

But yeah can't wait!

All participants are encouraged to bring their own mouse, keyboard AND headset.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

Will online qualifier allow New Zealanders to compete aswell??

I'll get back to you closer to date - the Online qualifier won't be until January.

OP has been updated with entry fee and prize info.
With regards to prizes - we really want the focus to be the national events, which is why there isn't a great deal up for grabs at the qualifiers. The qualifiers are there primarily to determine rankings via the points accumulated.

I want to see at least 10 more registrations for Melbourne, gogogo! Deth won't be around to defend his undefeated iBisQ title, so now it's up for grabs!

darkphoenix22 · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 9:16 AM

i would love too but the best i could to is be a comic relief and thats about it, 1 base 6 gate mass zealot vs zerg anyone?

syfMiley · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 9:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkphoenix22

i would love too but the best i could to is be a comic relief and thats about it, 1 base 6 gate mass zealot vs zerg anyone?

I'd watch it

**Dox** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 9:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkphoenix22

i would love too but the best i could to is be a comic relief and thats about it, 1 base 6 gate mass zealot vs zerg anyone?

You know you want to.

breadfan · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkphoenix22

i would love too but the best i could to is be a comic relief and thats about it, 1 base 6 gate mass zealot vs zerg anyone?

Nothing wrong with being comic relief :P I'm not expecting to be anything more than that myself, at leas this time round

darkphoenix22 · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 9:20 AM

so, will these events be streamed? and if so, any idea on casters?

**rezyn8** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 9:33 AM

Hey Dox, do you need help running the day in Melbourne? My skill is akin to the early days of sanZenith and thus, would provide some hilarity for the spectators, it's not worth putting up the entry fee

But I'd better happy to help out - admin, casting etc...

darkphoenix22 · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 9:37 AM

ill help out like rezyn8 in casting, organising, cooking/cleaning, 1st-aid, troll hunter. but competing is not my thing =p

darkphoenix22 · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 11:03 AM

my last match i expanded to the zergs natural for lolz......maybe thats why im still bronze (gold in NA where i try)

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 6:03 PM

Update-

1) ACL Brisbane and Melbourne Prizes, entry fee etc is finalized Posters just need to be reworked, I (Or Dox or Vanz if they are back by then) will post them up when the artist fixes them

2) ACL Perth Qualifier has been officially postponed

**Dox** · Tue, 15th-Nov-2011, 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Update-

1) ACL Brisbane and Melbourne Prizes, entry fee etc is finalized Posters just need to be reworked, I (Or Dox or Vanz if they are back by then) will post them up when the artist fixes them

2) ACL Perth Qualifier has been officially postponed

This information was already in the OP.

**rezyn8** · Wed, 16th-Nov-2011, 12:21 PM

So I guess you don't need any help with the Melbourne event then

**Dox** · Wed, 16th-Nov-2011, 12:41 PM

Oops - I should be fine to run the show solo, but come along anyway! Meet some cool people, watch some great games and all that fun stuff!

**Eddie** · Wed, 16th-Nov-2011, 12:44 PM

Has a map pool been decided upon?

**Dox** · Wed, 16th-Nov-2011, 8:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie

Has a map pool been decided upon?

Yeah, rules/maps pretty much mirrors the same stuff i've used for WCG/IPL4 AU recently, with the exception of the bracket style.

We'll be introducing a "new" style of bracket (to SC2, at least) which will ensure that everyone gets to play their moneys worth of games - not just being knocked out 0-2, 0-2 and going home disappointed.

I'll upload the rules document tomorrow from work.

**Eddie** · Wed, 16th-Nov-2011, 8:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dox

Yeah, rules/maps pretty much mirrors the same stuff i've used for WCG/IPL4 AU recently, with the exception of the bracket style.

We'll be introducing a "new" style of bracket (to SC2, at least) which will ensure that everyone gets to play their moneys worth of games - not just being knocked out 0-2, 0-2 and going home disappointed.

I'll upload the rules document tomorrow from work.

Interesting.

So not your standard Double Elim?

Look forward to reading more.

Thanks

**rezyn8** · Wed, 16th-Nov-2011, 12:55 PM

Cool - will drop in and say hi!

**Maynarde** · Wed, 16th-Nov-2011, 8:41 PM

Looking forward to that rules document and some more details on that new style of bracket

**Dox** · Thu, 17th-Nov-2011, 4:11 PM

Document is complete, I'll post a link to it when I get home from work. (Approx 1.5 hrs)

**Dox** · Thu, 17th-Nov-2011, 7:39 PM

Okay, here's the ruleset and map list!

ACL Pro StarCraft II Ruleset & Maplist (Requires Adobe Reader to view)

A few comments:
1. I can only guarantee that this is relevant at the Brisbane, Melbourne and Online qualifiers. As the Sydney and Adelaide events are operating external to ACL (we're just piggybacking the Arena/CityHunter tournaments), I can't speak for them.

2. The style of this bracket is new to SC2, and perhaps even RTS in general. The purpose is to ensure that ALL players get to play an equal number of games, rather than being eliminated in 30 minutes and going home disappointed.

3. The style of this bracket also ensures that the best players are matched against the best players, whilst the lower tiers can play amongst themselves. It also provides an avenue for "up and coming" players to be rewarded with bonus points.

4. Even if you regard yourself as the worst player in the world, this tournament style encourages a more interactive, social experience, where the entire tournament progresses as a single unit, rather than segmenting the players into groups. At the very least, everyone gets to play a minimum of 12 games, and provides a good opportunity for players to get to know eachother throughout a more structure schedule.

5. Single/Double Elimination brackets can be very unforgiving on one hand, and very lackluster on the other. Sometimes you'll see two "potential finalists" eliminating eachother in the early rounds, whereas sometimes you'll see the winner of a tournament make it to the grand finals after having only played 3 rounds. This way, we get to see ALL of the best players face off against oneanother.

If anyone has any further questions about the bracket style, schedule, maps, or anything, feel free to post here or e-mail me at d.reball@aclpro.com.au.

Otherwise I'll see you guys at 10:00AM on Saturday morning!

Quick Comments

Eddie:

TAminimat · Thu, 17th-Nov-2011, 7:42 PM

BSG tried out the swiss bracket style one time and the majority of the players really disliked it. IIRC if you loose your first match you cannot win, and I think many lower higher level players would rather go through a losers bracket. Just my opinion though.

**Eddie** · Thu, 17th-Nov-2011, 7:51 PM

Will be an interesting experiment!

Can definitely see it being more rewarding to the lower-mid level players. Not sure how it will go for the top few.

All bo3's is awesome too! That's a lot of games for those questioning the $25

I guess a negative is won't have much time to get around and watch others play.

**|Erasmus|** · Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 7:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAminimat

BSG tried out the swiss bracket style one time and the majority of the players really disliked it. IIRC if you loose your first match you cannot win, and I think many lower higher level players would rather go through a losers bracket. Just my opinion though.

This, basically. It's really good if you want to then say a single elimination T8 playoff, because it just gets a little bit harder if you lose first round (x-1 should still get you there eventually, but you'll have bad tiebreakers cause the guy you beat second round is 0-2 then, so you'll get less points for beating terrible players).

I think it's really bad depending on how ACL points are awarded/how the initial round is seeded. Swiss systems are usually just randomly generated from evenly matched opponents, so you may have two pros play first round, and the winner is the only one with a chance to win from this point.

**Dox** · Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 7:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

You may have two pros play first round, and the winner is the only one with a chance to win from this point.

As I said, I'll be seeding players to make sure that doesn't happen. They'll match eachother in the 2nd round anyway.

@Breadfan: I'm sure they'd be happy to play you during/after the tournament in some custom games. It happens at all the LAN's I go to!

Thanks for the feedback so far guys - hopefully I can show you why I think this is most suitable!

**rezyn8** · Thu, 17th-Nov-2011, 9:00 PM

Ha I might have to play as well as admin!

Just had a read over the rules - it looks great! Certainly helps the mid level players, and keeps interest in the tournament throughout. Nice work.

**Eddie** · Thu, 17th-Nov-2011, 9:29 PM

Pretty big map pool. 5 non ladder maps too. Saw no mention of veto's? There is none i take it?

**Dox** · Thu, 17th-Nov-2011, 9:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie

Pretty big map pool. 5 non ladder maps too. Saw no mention of veto's? There is none i take it?

Nope, as it says in the document, the first map of each round is predetermined, loser picks the next map. Originally I had a fairly small map pool, but I decided to expand it to increase variety 'cos I'm getting bored of seeing Shakuras/Tal'Darim/Shattered (and SOMETIMES Antiga) in every single Bo3.

It also helps to speed things up because some players take like 10+ minutes to go through the veto/veto/pick process when the results are ultimately the same.

breadfan · Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 7:29 AM

Sounds very interesting... I think how successful it turns out will come down a lot to how the points/rankings are allocated. Any chance of seeing some more info? Sounds like it'll be complicated to figure out on the fly, at the event

As a suggestion in the future (like I said, without knowing all the details of this one in particular) I wouldn't mind seeing a mixed format for future events...

Maybe BO3 double elim for qualification points and players knocked out in the first 3 or 4 rounds go into a swiss-style consolation bracket?

Also...

Quote:

3. The style of this bracket also ensures that the best players are matched against the best players, whilst the lower tiers can play amongst themselves. It also provides an avenue for "up and coming" players to be rewarded with bonus points.

Was hoping to actually get to play some of these players who are quite a lot better than me skill-wise. For them, it might be an easy step up the qualifying ladder in the early rounds, and for me I get some replays against great opponents (who I otherwise don't get the chance to play while laddering) to pick through at my leisure

But I'm looking forward to it, might get some new practice partners out of it!

**ToR.Arnor** · Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 7:40 AM

Hey

gotta say I really love the idea of the swiss system, it was something Myself and Dave considered for the very 1st SCII LAN we held back in August 2010 but ultimately we got turned down because our boss found it too difficult to comprehend lol

I will consider implementing this format for our next event once ive seen how it works

great job mixing it up!

breadfan · Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 8:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

This, basically. It's really good if you want to then say a single elimination T8 playoff, because it just gets a little bit harder if you lose first round (x-1 should still get you there eventually, but you'll have bad tiebreakers cause the guy you beat second round is 0-2 then, so you'll get less points for beating terrible players).

I think it's really bad depending on how ACL points are awarded/how the initial round is seeded. Swiss systems are usually just randomly generated from evenly matched opponents, so you may have two pros play first round, and the winner is the only one with a chance to win from this point.

That's a good point, but I think as long as the points are right, it really does a pretty similar job to a losers bracket in double elim - if you lose your first game and win your next 4, you end up doing pretty well. If you don't win the next 4, you'd be knocked out in the double elim anyway.

It just comes down to the disparity in how many points beating which opponents is worth vs how random the matchups are

Edit: the more I look at this, the more I like it! I ran a sim at work and it goes pretty well - very similar to a double elim except that it does give people those extra games.