[nirvAnA]

I just read this whole thread for the first time and thoroughly enjoyed it.



THREAD REOPENED AFTER 6 MONTHS HIATUS.

Zergtastic what do you think now! Curious on everyone's thoughts 6 months later. Pandora's Box has been opened.

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Aean(::

you read a thread 6 months after it was made -_-

[Satu]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Zergtastic what do you think now! Curious on everyone's thoughts 6 months later. Pandora's Box has been opened.

On actually doing the evo-chamber scout: I still use it in ZvP, but I do it to block nexuses when I go 15pool 15hatch. It gets you really ahead earlygame if you get to their base first when they are doing FFE while going 15pool 15hatch.

On just doing an evo-chamber scout inside their main: Its silly because you have to bank a lot of money in the first place to be able to do it. in the above possibility though, you should be banking a bit of money to expand, so you can do it in that case. You could probably do it inside their base vs FFE or 1base toss, but its never going to be useful vs FFE timings wise, whereas it MIGHT be usedful vs a 1basing toss. Unfortunately, the maps toss would usually start off on 1base rather than a quick expand are ones where zerg should probably be going 14g14p instead to be safer against a lot of forms of 1base cheeses.

I dont really see how the maths in this situation doesnt work though, because both scouting routes are effective given a 1basing toss, and the evo chamber scout can kill a worker within its lifetime really easily. It can function as an evo chamber scout really easily and have about the same cost and usefulness as an overlord scout.

Oh, and I believe the main problem in this thread was people thinking I was claiming that 200 minerals had been lost over the scout of one overlord. Thats definitely not the case, but theres 200 minerals that you must spend for the food max to remain exactly the same from start to end. That means the first overlord is affecting the usefulness of the second one, which affects how useful of an investment the second overlord is. Because of this, it makes the evo chamber scout a lot more similar in usefulness than what some might think.

My reasoning for saying this is basically because people were stating the complete opposite, that the evo chamber scout was a lot more expensive and doesnt achieve as much. I just really wanted to point out that it can be just as useful as an overlord scout (if not more) and is pretty similar in cost. Of course, to do that I had to try and gauge how useful an overlord is for its cost, which is where this began.

[tl;dr] I still think Im right for saying what I said, people misinterpreted what I was saying a lot as well as why, and I actually use a similar form of the evo chamber scout to effective use still to this day.

Edit: Also, Im GM rank 100 now, I wonder if that will affect how people attempt to criticise what I've said now lol

One more thing, I discovered something more embarrassing about nirvana when reading the quote at the top of this post. Look closely... Thats right, he asks questions with an exclamation mark:

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Zergtastic what do you think now!

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by SatuSPR

Also, Im GM rank 100 now, I wonder if that will affect how people attempt to criticise what I've said now lol

CombatEx is too. Oh, and Zanooku ....

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Maynarde

CombatEx is too. Oh, and Zanooku ....

They can still have reasonably good opinions on sc2 though, when they are not whining about imba.

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Uglymutt:

Fair point

[Uglymutt]

Originally Posted by SatuSPR

One more thing, I discovered something more embarrassing about nirvana when reading the quote at the top of this post. Look closely... Thats right, he asks questions with an exclamation mark:

:O Scandalous!
I can see the points you are trying to raise, kind of hard to put a 'mineral cost' on them though.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Uglymutt

:O Scandalous!
I can see the points you are trying to raise, kind of hard to put a 'mineral cost' on them though.

Its impossible to put a mineral cost on each technique because they have mineral costs that are set in stone ;S

The thing that is harder to gauge is how cost-effective the scouting is.

[Apth]

Originally Posted by SatuSPR

Also, Im GM rank 100 now, I wonder if that will affect how people attempt to criticise what I've said now lol

This makes me a sad panda. Reverse ad hominem ftl.

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Nemo:

Nasty you, I had to search what's the meaning of this latin sentence :D

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I just read this whole thread for the first time and thoroughly enjoyed it.



THREAD REOPENED AFTER 6 MONTHS HIATUS.

Zergtastic what do you think now! Curious on everyone's thoughts 6 months later. Pandora's Box has been opened.

When i first saw there was a new post in this thread i was like "F*ck another thread necromancer! negative rep!!"