[NvPinder]

Or you could use forcefield and the exact same thing applies in reverse, they cant retreat without losing half their army cos its stuck on your side of the FF, and you can retreat because u cut their army off...

point 2 is retarded, if anyone randomly loses 70% of their workers at any point of the game it fucks them over completely, and they should 100% loses the game. Good players arent sitting around with 2k banked to build another 40 drones instantly when they lose them unless it's mega-late game w/ maxed armies, not to mention the fact that even if they do this they've still lost a ridiculous amount of mining time + sunk a bunch of money into workers and should just get rolled over anyway.

If you're going to post 1 really vague example to prove an entire point, ill do the same, zerg has to find the perfect balance between droning up and producing an army, if at ANY point of the game they slip this up they're massively fucked vs a good protoss player, especially on smaller maps. If they think an all-in 4 gate is coming and its actually 3-gate expo and they've built a ton of crawlers + a round of speedlings? Yep, they're fucked. If they think FE into 6/7/8 gate pressure is coming and really the toss is just passively macroing off 3-4 gates and getting robo up, yep, they're fucked. This is MUCH more difficult to do and a FUCKLOAD harder than an example of not being able to place a forcefield on your ramp....


edit: also, re-reading point 1, id argue you are going to win in a situation like that, you're going to be punishing his nat, your reinforcements come incredibly quick thanks to warpgate, and you can sentry FF his ramp to oblivion to pound on his nat and force him to lift it back into in his main.

[Roz]

Originally Posted by JPMoney

Or you could use forcefield and the exact same thing applies in reverse, they cant retreat without losing half their army cos its stuck on your side of the FF, and you can retreat because u cut their army off...

point 2 is retarded, if anyone randomly loses 70% of their workers at any point of the game it fucks them over completely, and they should 100% loses the game. Good players arent sitting around with 2k banked to build another 40 drones instantly when they lose them unless it's mega-late game w/ maxed armies, not to mention the fact that even if they do this they've still lost a ridiculous amount of mining time + sunk a bunch of money into workers and should just get rolled over anyway.

If you're going to post 1 really vague example to prove an entire point, ill do the same, zerg has to find the perfect balance between droning up and producing an army, if at ANY point of the game they slip this up they're massively fucked vs a good protoss player, especially on smaller maps. If they think an all-in 4 gate is coming and its actually 3-gate expo and they've built a ton of crawlers + a round of speedlings? Yep, they're fucked. If they think FE into 6/7/8 gate pressure is coming and really the toss is just passively macroing off 3-4 gates and getting robo up, yep, they're fucked. This is MUCH more difficult to do and a FUCKLOAD harder than an example of not being able to place a forcefield on your ramp....


edit: also, re-reading point 1, id argue you are going to win in a situation like that, you're going to be punishing his nat, your reinforcements come incredibly quick thanks to warpgate, and you can sentry FF his ramp to oblivion to pound on his nat and force him to lift it back into in his main.

like i said , im not saying protoss is the only race that is unforgiving in misjudgements. Im just saying it's so much harder to come back from it afterwards. If you lose half ur army on ur attack attempt on a terran, u're probably gonna die afterwards. On the other hand, if a terran lose half his stuff, they throw down a few bunkers and with a few tanks, the chance they will live is a lot higher than a toss.

Also i do agree that zerg is the hardest race to play, i never said they weren't. What im trying to get at is the economy of protoss is a lot harder to recover from (say from harass and stuff). If you kill 80% of a terrans SCV and they kill 80% of ur probes, who is going to suffer more? the protoss obviously.

We're just here for discussion, nothing serious here. Don't need to be so mean!