[deth]

Having a CC first as a standard build sets you up to be exploitable. Zerg can adapt with early pools after playing you a couple of times, or shit, even a drone/ovie scout and set themselves up with 3 Hat before pool and you lose your entire advantage (see: Life vs Cure)

As to the other builds, hard to say before you write them out but a 4 minute blind ebay in TvP is going to delay timings and lose you map control if you're rushing turrets or just rushing an upgrade, unsure what you mean at this stage.

And a gas first banshee in TvT is very exploitable, gas first is still a great build but you can't be stubborn and JUST do banshees every game. Have to learn how to scout and adapt towards every possible situation with different unit compositions. If you're doing gas first banshee blind then you're going to lose a LOT.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by deth

Having a CC first as a standard build sets you up to be exploitable. Zerg can adapt with early pools after playing you a couple of times, or shit, even a drone/ovie scout and set themselves up with 3 Hat before pool and you lose your entire advantage (see: Life vs Cure)

As to the other builds, hard to say before you write them out but a 4 minute blind ebay in TvP is going to delay timings and lose you map control if you're rushing turrets or just rushing an upgrade, unsure what you mean at this stage.

And a gas first banshee in TvT is very exploitable, gas first is still a great build but you can't be stubborn and JUST do banshees every game. Have to learn how to scout and adapt towards every possible situation with different unit compositions. If you're doing gas first banshee blind then you're going to lose a LOT.

I completely agree with most of this if we're talking about a tournament setting, but in context of ladder most of this isn't relevant and people won't be trying to counter your build unless they know you're likely to do it. Sure if everyone begins to do CC first the meta will shift and we may start seeing earlier pools again but at the moment it's fine as it is just too risky to go for and earlier pool.

In that Life vs Cure example, in Lifes interview he stated that he already knew Cure was going to go for a 2 base build, cure must be known for it on ladder perhaps. Zerg going 3 hatch in response to Terran going CC first is not a hard counter, generally when you go CC first you scout for a fast third from the zerg however in that particular game cure did not. Banshee hellion harass is already strong against a 2 base Zerg opener, you have more opportunitys to do damage vs a 3.

ForGG goes engi bay at 4 minutes almost every game on ladder. Same as with gas first banshee, I don't think I need to go and find the stats for forGG's win rates.