[Chiddiru]

Originally Posted by VB_Inter

Hope it goes well and you can get a good group of active people. One thing i would think about changing is your attitude on your stream.

You ban people for giving tips/advice.

You ban people for talking about a game that you lost 5 mins ago.

You "threaten" to ban people when they say anything you don't agree on

You laugh at your opponents mistake but then ban/threaten people that pick up on yours. They are learning as much as you are trying to.

Your running your stream based on improvements but you make new accounts and plays lower league players then proceed to laugh at them when you can make 100 banes and steam roll them.

Goodluck in the future

Okay, in case you weren't aware, I have said in my stream have typed it out for those that don't understand.

1. I ban people in my stream that give advice/tips. Incorrect. Advice and tips are great if put across in the right way. Eg, If you make gases at x timing instead of y timing you'll be able to do ... However, comments that you may see as advice/tips that will get you banned, eg, LOL why the F**K did you do that, thats so dumb will

2. I ban those that talk about a game I lost 5 minutes ago. Correct. During my stream, mainly after a replay I will run a section where we discuss the previous game, once the discussion period is over (usually 2-3 minutes) I ask for comments about the prior game to stop as we are looking to focus on the next game. I even say that to people, then give a warning that the discussion phase about prior game has stopped, if it continues after that, yes you get the T/O.

3. You "threaten" to ban people for a statement they make, that you don't agree on. Incorrect. I tell people that I will ban them if they continue with x topic because of y reason. End of the day my stream my rules, if I disagree with your statement that's my place. Eg. Stream event yesterday, I lost to a certain style, that I'm unsure of how to defeat. I have tried multiple strategies, a viewer said that y strategy will work, I explained I have tried it and why it hadn't worked for me prior, this conversation continued for an extended period of time, then I had asked for it to stop (over 10 minutes had passed) so we could proceed to the next game, a warning was given, then a T/O occured.

I do not just ban people out on a limb, those that get banned instantly in my stream tend to be those that have previously warranted getting a T/O but have multiple accounts. A good example of this is yourself Inter, in which case you had another account with an extra underscore.

Also at the laughing at my opponent. I do that on stream, they do not see that, I find it amusing when for example a terran goes cc on low ground on sejong and gets a reactor on his barracks after 1 marine and then leaves after 6 lings walk into his base.

There was also another case where I asked the protoss how he was diamond after he cannon rushed my OL at my natural, that's a general question.

Hopefully this reply makes you understand how a stream chat is structured for me personally, If you disagree with what I have said, feel free to message me. This thread is about a new organisation within Australia that is hopefully going to provide some players with a nice learning environment while bolstering my own casting skills.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Chiddiru

1. I ban people in my stream that give advice/tips. Incorrect. Advice and tips are great if put across in the right way. Eg, If you make gases at x timing instead of y timing you'll be able to do ... However, comments that you may see as advice/tips that will get you banned, eg, LOL why the F**K did you do that, thats so dumb will

I have seen this happen first hand to advice that was in no way insulting. You do this. Maybe you should watch your behaviour in some vods because it's possible that you think you are acting quite reasonably... But you aren't.

2. I ban those that talk about a game I lost 5 minutes ago. Correct. During my stream, mainly after a replay I will run a section where we discuss the previous game, once the discussion period is over (usually 2-3 minutes) I ask for comments about the prior game to stop as we are looking to focus on the next game. I even say that to people, then give a warning that the discussion phase about prior game has stopped, if it continues after that, yes you get the T/O.

I'm all for the idea of "my stream, my rules". But honestly, controlling what topics people talk about in your stream chat? Good luck on that one. That's not normal, maybe you should make a note on your stream telling people that topics of discussion are to be at your direction. This is your choice if this is how you want it to be though, so all good.

3. You "threaten" to ban people for a statement they make, that you don't agree on. Incorrect. I tell people that I will ban them if they continue with x topic because of y reason. End of the day my stream my rules, if I disagree with your statement that's my place. Eg. Stream event yesterday, I lost to a certain style, that I'm unsure of how to defeat. I have tried multiple strategies, a viewer said that y strategy will work, I explained I have tried it and why it hadn't worked for me prior, this conversation continued for an extended period of time, then I had asked for it to stop (over 10 minutes had passed) so we could proceed to the next game, a warning was given, then a T/O occured.

I think you need to figure out if you are going to welcome advice or not. At the moment, you don't welcome advice. I know from experience that in this sort of situation, your reaction to advice that you somehow think is not valid is to belittle, insult and rage at these people. Maybe this is the reason people are carrying on the discussion? You're literally calling people idiots, attacking their integrity, just because they've offered to help you and you don't understand the game well enough to see the merit. It's only natural that they would want to explain just why what they are saying is correct and helpful.

I'm not saying this as an insult: Your macro is terrible. It's just as horrible as your opponents'. It's just as horrible as mine when I was in your league. When it comes down to people telling you the solution to a problem, when your macro is as atrocious as yours (and others at your level), your experience at attempting to do what they say but not being able to execute it doesn't give you license to call that person an idiot or whatever for their advice, just because you think you know better (you don't).

Hopefully this reply makes you understand how a stream chat is structured for me personally, If you disagree with what I have said, feel free to message me. This thread is about a new organisation within Australia that is hopefully going to provide some players with a nice learning environment while bolstering my own casting skills.

I support the idea of this group (there have been others similar in the past that have died off over time but almost always valuable). After what I've seen from you, I want to see it in action before I am willing to participate. I hope that people do get all the things you've stated as the goals for this - practice partners, as well as coaching, strategy discussions, and replay analysis (for which I hope you get some actual coaches/good players on board). I hope you don't rely on people without proper understanding of the game to be doing this sort of stuff. It can be pretty harmful to peoples' development who take the word of someone in good faith who claims to know what they are talking about that they should be working on or doing X, Y or Z when in fact that is totally wrong.

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	VB_Inter:	Agree 100%. Well said
	Seffy:	WELL SAID 10/10