[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by Benji

I simply can't agree with that. Whats to say that Edge and PiG aren't actually ALOT better than anyone on SEA, its just that their race drags them down to your level?

Look at the top top top level of players, you cannot argue that players like Idra or Nestea are a step below the top protoss or Terrans (Idra's BW ability proves this), Their lack of performance recently shows exactly what the race is like at the moment in the metagame.

Plus, listen to all these Zergs talk about game balance, July, Idra, Nestea have all stated in interviews that Zerg is weak. Hell, even some top P and T players are saying the same thing.

I think you've misunderstood me, I'm not trying to say they are a whole lot better than anyone else on SEA. I'm trying to say that you really need to be at their level to even the playing field between the 3 races simply because Zerg is much harder to learn/play. This is what I'm trying to say:

Protoss/Terran with 50 games played > Zerg with 50 games played
Protoss/Terran with 2000 games played = Zerg with 2000 games played

I have mentioned in many different periods of how weak and limited I felt Zerg was for the last few months. However, with the introduction of this patch and the emergence Zerg's new fondness for developing new strategies even before this patch, I can see Zerg catching up very soon.

Even if Terran/Protoss are figuring out Zerg's new style, at least right now the unpredictability of Zerg allows them the opportunity for initiation/aggression (Baneling busts/Hydra drops) from a traditionally reactionary race. The meta-game is constantly evolving - There were brief periods when Protoss was the weakest race (with the pros like Tester/Genius whining too), but with no patch changes, suddenly became ridiculously strong. I am just saying, give Zerg the chance to do the same, especially with this new patch. But I can understand the cynicism, having felt what it is like to randomly die as Zerg all the time.

[Hyperterminal]

Originally Posted by nGenLight

I think you've misunderstood me, I'm not trying to say they are a whole lot better than anyone else on SEA. I'm trying to say that you really need to be at their level to even the playing field between the 3 races simply because Zerg is much harder to learn/play. This is what I'm trying to say:

Protoss/Terran with 50 games played > Zerg with 50 games played
Protoss/Terran with 2000 games played = Zerg with 2000 games played

I have mentioned in many different periods of how weak and limited I felt Zerg was for the last few months. However, with the introduction of this patch and the emergence Zerg's new fondness for developing new strategies even before this patch, I can see Zerg catching up very soon.

Even if Terran/Protoss are figuring out Zerg's new style, at least right now the unpredictability of Zerg allows them the opportunity for initiation/aggression (Baneling busts/Hydra drops) from a traditionally reactionary race. The meta-game is constantly evolving - There were brief periods when Protoss was the weakest race (with the pros like Tester/Genius whining too), but with no patch changes, suddenly became ridiculously strong. I am just saying, give Zerg the chance to do the same, especially with this new patch. But I can understand the cynicism, having felt what it is like to randomly die as Zerg all the time.

I still don't understand what you mean by the first comment, are you trying to say that only a 2000+ games player would truly know if the Zerg are the weaker race? I think Benji have a very valid comment there, the skill of the player can only do so much with the limitations of the race they are playing.

I am yet to see in any pro Hydra drops play actually work, I have seen it attempted in the last month a couple of times but every time they have been wiped to the floor. Baneling busts have been around since beta its nothing new its just that pro's stopped using it because it didn't work. They are doing it from what I can tell because they really don't have any options left.

I'm not crying Zerg are the worst they get owned all the time because that isn't the case but the odds stack heavily against the Zerg from the outset and as long as you don't make a single mistake and your APM is through the roof etc etc.. then your going to be hurting a lot more.

[TAavanar]

Originally Posted by Hyperterminal

I still don't understand what you mean by the first comment, are you trying to say that only a 2000+ games player would truly know if the Zerg are the weaker race? I think Benji have a very valid comment there, the skill of the player can only do so much with the limitations of the race they are playing.

I am yet to see in any pro Hydra drops play actually work, I have seen it attempted in the last month a couple of times but every time they have been wiped to the floor. Baneling busts have been around since beta its nothing new its just that pro's stopped using it because it didn't work. They are doing it from what I can tell because they really don't have any options left.

I'm not crying Zerg are the worst they get owned all the time because that isn't the case but the odds stack heavily against the Zerg from the outset and as long as you don't make a single mistake and your APM is through the roof etc etc.. then your going to be hurting a lot more.

im pretty sure u r crying over zerg being the worst

[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by Hyperterminal

I still don't understand what you mean by the first comment, are you trying to say that only a 2000+ games player would truly know if the Zerg are the weaker race? I think Benji have a very valid comment there, the skill of the player can only do so much with the limitations of the race they are playing.

I am yet to see in any pro Hydra drops play actually work, I have seen it attempted in the last month a couple of times but every time they have been wiped to the floor. Baneling busts have been around since beta its nothing new its just that pro's stopped using it because it didn't work. They are doing it from what I can tell because they really don't have any options left.

I'm not crying Zerg are the worst they get owned all the time because that isn't the case but the odds stack heavily against the Zerg from the outset and as long as you don't make a single mistake and your APM is through the roof etc etc.. then your going to be hurting a lot more.

Think of it this way, when you begun to play Starcraft, it gave you an option to select difficulty: Normal/Difficult. If you picked Zerg, you have chosen difficult. It is way harder to learn/play but the more experienced/better you get, the "imbalance" starts getting lower and lower.

[ZergGirl]

Originally Posted by nGenLight

Think of it this way, when you begun to play Starcraft, it gave you an option to select difficulty: Normal/Difficult. If you picked Zerg, you have chosen difficult. It is way harder to learn/play but the more experienced/better you get, the "imbalance" starts getting lower and lower.

I get it. I must outplay random shitheads on ladder to be on equal footing. ty.
Nice e-sport, seems balanced.

[Xeen]

Originally Posted by ZergGirl

I get it. I must outplay random shitheads on ladder to be on equal footing. ty.
Nice e-sport, seems balanced.

Terran was hardest to start with in BW, yet the most successful at high level.

Nice e-sport, seemed balanced.

The above is not sarcasm.